r/coybig • u/Fuzzy-Escape5304 • 6d ago
International Friendly Post Match?
Weird friendly. The World Cup is some load of bollox if Ireland goes out and beats these and Canada next week. Slight forgiving nature in me for the performance. But.......BUT these lads were poor. How are we not hammering them? Cut them open twice in the first ten minutes.
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u/PintyMcPints 6d ago
A year ago we would've lost that game after going down to 10 men. I think we've came on a fair bit. Loved seeing Umeh tonight, I thought he looked bright.Â
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u/kildare981 5d ago
We seem to have a bit of a losing streak in us against poorer teams. Its great to start kicking that off us
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u/nursewally 5d ago
He has serious control of the ball. Looking forward to seeing him tying defenders in knots in years to come.
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u/Here_For_The_Craic_ Long ‘70 6d ago
I just want to say that tonight changed my view on the Israel game.. I was always against it happening but I was of the opinion that if it went ahead every fan should show up with Palestine flags and make the point clear in the stadium!
Tonight the protest and weirdly Richie Sadlier (who I normally can’t stand) made me realise that being on the stadium would just be supporting the match! Fuck the fines, fuck the Sanctions, let’s be on the right side of history
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u/Hanco_9 5d ago
I'm still on the fence about playing the game as I don't think not playing it achieves anything.
We were more than happy to ignore Qatar's human rights violations to play a friendly against them yesterday. The US are funding and enabling the genocide and we were all hoping for a spot at the world cup hosted by them.
Where is the line drawn?
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u/SirLaserSnake 5d ago edited 5d ago
The important thing is that there is a line somewhere, and Israel is clearly over it. Start there.
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u/Hanco_9 5d ago
My point remains, it seems feeble to boycott a nations league game against Israel but a few months ago we were all excited to go to a USA hosted World Cup despite the States being the largest supplier of weapons and military aid that is being used to commit the genocide.
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u/SirLaserSnake 5d ago
I agree. USA gets away with an unimaginable amount of horrible shit. I'd argue that Israel is so obviously over the line that it is the place we should start. The line doesn't need to be perfectly defined and agreed when it is this clear. We should take a stand and take whatever punishment is applied. We'll live.
If you feel so strongly about USA then you could start a boycott campaign of them too? But it doesn't help to use USA as an excuse to normalise relations with Israel. Russia is the good example of this hypocrisy. They invaded Ukraine and were banned by Fifa/Uefa/Olympics literally the next day.
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u/Hanco_9 5d ago
Im not calling for a boycott campaign of either of them, my point was that why do people that feel so strongly about boycotting the Israel game not have the same feelings towards the USA.
If genocide is across the line, enabling the genocide must also be across the line.
Russia is a perfect example of the hypocrisy by Fifa/Uefa and boycotting all international games would be a stronger message sent to Fifa/Uefa than Ireland boycotting two games against Israel. Do we think that will result in any action by Fifa/Uefa against Israel?
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u/SirLaserSnake 5d ago
People need to stop worrying about what it will achieve or if anybody will follow us. That creates inaction. Take a stand based on our morals and take whatever punishment comes with it. We will live.
I doubt the members of the Easter Rising thought they would defeat the British Army in battle. I doubt the Dunnes ladies thought they’d end apartheid in South Africa. I doubt Rosa Parks thought she’d end segregation in USA.
But in each case a relatively small, clear action got the ball rolling.
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u/gunnerdojo 5d ago
No idea why your being down voted on comments, you're 100% correct the US have caused carnage in that part of the world for years now , where ever they have got involved they've caused chaos, and by the way still the only country to nuke a civilian population, the good old USA .
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u/redd_36 5d ago edited 5d ago
Well ultimately, even putting the absolutely horrific situation in Gaza aside (which we shouldn't ofc), Israel is currently occupying a larger % of Lebanon, a sovereign state and FIFA member, than Russia is of Ukraine. If Russia has been rightfully kicked out of international competitions, Israel absolutely should too
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u/GoinNowhere88 6d ago
That's the joys of being a European side.
There's probably an argument for 1, maybe 2 more spaces for UEFA considering the stupid size of the tournament now but the rest of the world has got to get their shot on the world stage too.Â
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u/Loose-Resolution-820 5d ago
Nah there is too few European teams.
Totally unfair that 60% !! Of South American teams qualify and the 7th gets a playoff.
At the very least there should be more intra-confederation playoffs for UEFA teams. Then everyone gets their shot and the best still qualify.
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u/Fuzzy-Escape5304 6d ago
It's not even about that. It's about how tonight's opponents, Canada and Sudan are in a group. Some minnows from Europe would live to be in that group. The disparity is ridiculous.
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u/FoggyShrew Zinedine Kilbane 6d ago
Sudan are not in the World Cup. It’s Qatar, Bosnia, Switzerland and Canada.
Canada qualify as a host nation (although they likely would have qualified anyway).
Bosnia are the ones we should be looking at rather than Qatar, they’re ranked 10 places below us and still qualified
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u/Fuzzy-Escape5304 6d ago
Eek I was going of memory and completely wrong. Sorry. Canada were still top seeds which threw me.
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u/NandoFlynn 6d ago
Can't slate the Canadians too much, I'd happily take Jonathan David & Davies if they were part fenian 😂
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u/spiraldive87 6d ago
Absolutely. Also Eustaquio and Kone would do absolute wonders for our midfield.
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u/DonerMeatOnChips 6d ago
There are minnows from Europe in that group, Bosnia.
Ranked 65.
Lower than us.
And I have no idea what group Sudan is in but Switzerland is the other team.
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u/Affectionate_Art4277 6d ago
Kinda didn't look like anyone could be arsed tbh. Half those lads probably just wanted to start their holidays.
Qatar clearly preserving their strength for the world cup. Canada will do the same.
Expect performances to be pretty 6/10 from everyone
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u/Senior_Inflation_901 Ian Harte 5d ago
Pretty much, I wouldn't expect anyone to go into committed challenges etc in a training game, these kind of friendlies usually come with gentlemans agreement to not bother with any aggression and just play a tactical light game, best thing to come out of this set of games is the likes of umeh meeting the rest of the players etc
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u/goombagoomba2 6d ago
Liam scales can't play wing back. Not good enough on the ball
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u/pauli55555 6d ago
Liam Scale haters tend not to understand what he brings to a team.
He’s a ballsy player, strong defensively and excellent in both boxes. He did fine on the ball today and is miles ahead of Brady or Manning, neither of whom can defend. Scales has to start for us and I don’t mind what position and he’s plenty good enough for the role he played today. Was brilliant there against Portugal at home.
The young lad who came on today looked promising, Roughnan, Bagan and Ferry would also be worth a look at. But unless they kick on I’m more than happy for Scales to play the role.
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u/WinterStandard2731 6d ago
Definitely not scales haters. He’s an unreal centre back, and does a job in left back. But he holds us back offensively.
Just like the situation at Everton for example, every right winger that has played for them this season has struggled because they lack a right back that can consistently overlap and cause threat. Therefore it leads to the winger getting doubled up on and ultimately having to pass backwards. Thats why dibling has struggled a lot this season despite being very good technically
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u/Penny0034 6d ago
He’s the reason we beat HungaryÂ
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u/goombagoomba2 6d ago
He didn't do much going forward in that game except winning the header at the end. He's very good in the air and defending but not on the wing
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u/WinterStandard2731 6d ago
Agreed. Despite winning motm and being very solid defensively, he doesn’t provide much on the left offensively. Murphy and Ndaba aren’t necessarily your modern day overlapping left backs either, so there weren’t any other options. Brennan maybe, but I don’t know that much about him
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u/NandoFlynn 6d ago
Will Ferry was brilliant in the Spain camp & by all accounts will be on the move this summer
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u/WinterStandard2731 6d ago
Yeah he looks promising. Would like to see more of him in the future
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u/NandoFlynn 6d ago
I remember first watching him for Dundee Utd while I was sick over Christmas like a year or 2 ago. Knew he was going well on paper but the lads great defensively, he's a long throw in the locker, he's quick, strong, decent whip, and he's gotten a lot better at finishing too. Shown it in European games & against likes of Celtic too
Think he's exactly what you want, and hopefully a good move will prove that
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u/WinterStandard2731 6d ago
Yeah I must try and see more of him, hopefully he’ll get a move to a bigger club soon.
I still think manning is our no1 left back but seems like he’s lost the trust from most our fans. But other than him we’re severely lacking, plus it’s vital having a good left footed set piece taker. At least we have Vale now too.
What’s Brennan like? It seems like he’s down as a LWB on paper, havent seen much of him yet though
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u/NandoFlynn 6d ago
Brennan's a winger, just the way Bradley's setup is that you've a Danny Grant, Darragh Burns type on one flank & an Andy Lyons, Josh Honohan on the other
Don't think Manning or Browne will get the trust of the public back but as long as we're picking Championship players they'll always be in the ball park. It's on them to at least try win back that trust
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u/WinterStandard2731 6d ago
Tbh I don’t watch much of shamrock rovers so I don’t rly know these lads roles. But it just seemed like Brennan’s heatmap in most recent games he was up and down the left flank. Even looked back at the Galway and drogheda games in march. He’s still young tbf could be converted easily.
I still back manning to the ground, he made a silly mistake against Czechia tbf but we were still a goal up. I would’ve still backed him to take a penalty. Browne on the other hand, I don’t rate him at all as a footballer, and he’s lost my trust a long time ago Slovenia. Should never have been allowed to step up, but oh well can’t change the past.
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u/NandoFlynn 6d ago
In Prem terms..... remember Conte's Chelsea? He's kinda Victor Moses coming back to WB from being a winger, not Marcos Alonso moving up from full back. Except he also plays like an inside forward since he's right footed on the left side 😅
I agree with both points, this is a bigger convo from me for a different time but I personally think lads like that who spend an age in the Championship will just always struggle in the big games if they've never played in one. Closest they got is the Play Offs & Browne stank there too. They don't have the mentality Troy got in Holland, Caoimhin got with Liverpool, full circle...Liam Scales
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u/sleeperman43 5d ago
Our midfield (particularly the centre) is just so poor in a creative sense.No one seems to play a ball on the turn,not give the ball away when there's a press or just move it forward quickly.Default is to go backwards and sideways( sure you need to do that sometimes) but it's always the way Please God some midfielders with an ability to play in traffic and/or score goals will emerge.
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u/Fuzzy-Escape5304 5d ago
Yah really lacking. Thinking off all the midfield battles we've lost over 10 years there. Spertsyan, Szoboszlai, Hamsik, Tadic, and even Tsimikas. All showed them qualities against us.Â
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u/sleeperman43 5d ago
Yeah one above average premier league midfielder and we probably beat the Czechs I don't know-even so called poor teams look better on the ball than us.Molumby is an honest lad & great attitude but it's easy to see why Brighton moved him on a few years back.Just Limited on the ball.
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u/Anxious_Mobile5376 5d ago
If you were in charge of Fifa the World Cup would be just Europe and South America based on that logic. The vast majority of European teams would beat Qatar and a large chunk of the teams that have qualified. But that's the World Cup structure.
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u/Fuzzy-Escape5304 5d ago
Nah the World Cup was absolutely fine at 32 teams. No issue with that. Expanding it added a ridiculous level of non-competition. Having three hosts take up three spots is also ridiculous.Â
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u/Neat_Clothes_6094 5d ago
Qualification has always been like this, poor teams from around the world qualifying who would never have gotten out of a group in EuropeÂ
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u/NandoFlynn 6d ago
The red ruined the game. Moylan was the main danger & losing him & going a man down we were always gonna be playing with 1 arm behind our back.
If it was 11 v 11 I'd get if people were angry about the performance but given all the circumstances I'm happy with an easy clean sheet & a good sight of some of the new lads. If it stayed 11v11 Jack, Troy & eventually Jaden would've cruised through em no different to Greneda