Really enjoying this show, about mid way through season 2. My biggest issue is the UI antiviral they introduced. I guess the plot needed a way to take down UIs but it just felt so lazy and rushed. It was like they just easily whipped it up overnight when really that should have taken years of research.

I just finished Pantheon and I genuinely don’t know what to watch now because I don’t think anything will top it. I am still in awe of such a brilliant final episode. Truly a masterpiece from start to finish. All I want to do is immediately rewatch it. Not really adding much to this sub in terms of discussion given you all probably think the same lol, but that last episode genuinely feels like it has altered my brain in some way. I’m sad there won’t be more to the show but at the same time I believe the ending was flawless in execution and how it’s provoked my mind so deeply.

hello everyone,

i really Like Pantheon. and i want to know who would win.

lets say, after Rudolph conners (from Invincible) created Rudy, he made an upload of his brain, turning into an UI and gets the cure through MYST.

and then he engages Stephen Holstrom from Pantheon in a fight.

who wins this battle of Minds?

Rudolph as UI vs Stephen Holstrom

maybe this is an unpopular opinion but cody was one of my favorite characters. he played a huge role in season one and basically went MIA in season two. the only mention we see of him is in the finale where he’s painting laurie after he became a UI himself. i understand he lost his wife for a second time and was most likely grieving, but i always saw him as the activist type and believed he would’ve played a more avenging role against logarithms for laurie during season two. what are your personal thoughts and opinions?

what iconography should i reference for a tattoo, im thinking something with the design of CI’s bc their my favorites but open to any ideas?

If you've been on this subreddit a while, you probably already know about the fly brain that was scanned and simulated, and that Sam Altman actively wants to make UIs a reality. ​

AI technology already has a lot of controversy attached to it, and we all know how contentious the concept of uploading is. ​With the show's portrayal of uploading as a valid choice, and its firm stance that UIs are sentient, do you think it will become polarizing as these discussions break into the mainstream?

Been thinking about this since finishing Season 2.

Pantheon does a brilliant job with what happens after UI becomes possible. What it skips over is the actual prerequisite. Before David Kim's consciousness can exist in a digital system, before any kind of meaningful brain-machine communication can happen, you need devices that can speak to the brain in a signal it actually recognises as its own rather than as electrical noise from a foreign object.

Last week Northwestern University published research in Nature Nanotechnology showing they printed artificial devices from electronic ink that communicated with living mouse brain cells. The brain tissue responded as if the signal came from another biological neuron.

The device is soft and flexible which matters because rigid silicon implants have always failed over time because the brain treats them as invaders and scars around them. This approach conforms to brain tissue instead of fighting it.

Obviously we are nowhere near anything resembling what happens in Pantheon. But this is the category of problem that needed solving first. A machine learned to say one word in the brain's language.

Curious what this community thinks. Does this move any timelines in your head or does it feel like a completely different domain from what the show depicts?

Or yk, which are your personal favourite quotes/dialogues?

And it's not even discussed that much. The scan is destructive. Meaning if you go ahead with it, you. will. die. It is a *destructive copy*. I don't understand how people don't discuss this more. They mention "your body dies" but they don't seem to comprehend or care that by the process of uploading, they do not go to "heaven" - a copy of them does.

Does that not bother anyone?? I'd *never* upload a copy of me if that meant I'd die (unless I'm terminally ill). I'd never experience anything in the cloud, since only a copy of me lives there, while I'm dead.

I mean that’s got to be true, right? Because she obviously knew what to do to get it “right” in the final world she chooses. That leads me to believe that we’re always watching the future, and if the ending for our particular “future” didn’t go properly, she abandoned those futures and finally landed on the one seen.

I’ve being trying to parse this out but this is the most logical conclusion for me.

Ik that God Maddie wanted to make a simulation to save Dave and to find out how Caspian knew about how long it would take, but why didn‘t God Maddie integrate herself and Caspian into the show simulation, the happiest ending simulation, and wipe their memories of the whole simulation thing? Why did she go back to the beginning?

I just watched and finished Pantheon and was wondering if the entire show was just one of the simulations or if it was real, where the god Maddie came from

…I’ll put on Pantheon and I just drift off.

Anyone else find it soothing?

This has literally been one of the best shows I've ever watched.... Right up until just now where Caspian fucking UPLOADED HIMSELF. I'm so damn sick and tired of this manufactured "sad nobel sacrafices to pull at your heartstrings" in media these days. It was completely dumb for Maddie to have reacted to MIST, barely letting her speak. Of course that had to do that in order to get the 'noble sacrafice." Obviously I know that MIST isn't gone but Caspian ALREADY uploaded and KILLED his body. I'll not be checking back here until I finish the last few episodes but if he doesn't somehow get his real body back I will consider this show completely ruined.

I can not believe I actually spent my memorial day weekend watching this roller coaster of a show. What's most disappointing to me is the fact that the first season was so incredibly good. The characters were fleshed out and felt real. Their motivations were complex yet still believable. It didnt hold you hand and force feed you the theme. Then, the second season swooped in and took any of intrigue the first had built up, and ruined any semblance of cohesion.

I could tell immediately something was wrong when the romance plot between Caspian and Maddie took place. Maddie being 14 wasn't relevant to the story she could've easily been been 17 or 18 and the story wouldn't have changed. The introduction of Justine seemed to be the only call to this. Maddie wasn't able to drive due to her age, but that could've easily explained through her not having a car.

On that, the friendship between Maddie and Justine was what best grounded the first season for me. Their relationship was so human and well written. Instead of her being one of the connections that Maddie treasured, she was quite literally no where to be seen after the first couple of episodes. That's pretty normal in real life, but this is a show that has to actively introduce characters and relationships.

The pacing in this show was abysmal. In a show where the plot is not solely driven by the

interpersonal relationships, you can get away with skipping over a few things. This show, unfortunately, heavily relies on the relationships. That's literally THE maior theme. I can forgive shows like Steven Universe and The Owl House because they we cut short with little foresight. But, from what I've seen online, the creators knew exactly how much time they had to execute this story. This show was created with a distinct beginning and an end in mind but falls flat in its follow through.

Here are a couple of things that I just dont like:

● Cyclic universe only being explored for maybe 15 mins

● Complete 180 flip on the morality of the Uls

● Not exploring MIST as a character

● MIST falling in love with her creator

● Lack of effects on Caspian from being Trumaned

● Trying to downplay the implications of desecrating the Inca ruins

tldr: I enjoved watching a lot of the show and was dumbfounded by the awful ending.

Four fucking billion.

200,000,000 uploads per year, 547,570 uploads per day.

To survive the 20-year period without catastrophic disease outbreaks from rotting remains, we would have to scale corpse disposal as an industrialized sanitation utility like wastewater treatment or garbage collection.

Formaldehyde and other embalming chemicals would become heavily rationed or abandoned entirely, forcing a reliance on immediate disposal. Either colossal mass grave-quarries, or purpose-built industrial furnaces.

The global timber and textile industries could not keep up with the demand for 200 million coffins or burial shrouds a year, so cremations and burials would have to be conducted with as few resources as possible. Mass graves, or mass incinerators.

There would be convoys of trucks going in and out of upload centers, packed to the brim with hollow headed corpses, headed to centralized burn pits or grave-quarries. Upload centers would have to be centralized, maybe 3-4 per country, with underdeveloped countries having none and having to travel for uploading.

Imagine the images of those grave-quarries or towering smokestacks. I'd join the humans the second this insanity begins.

If you think I'm exaggerating the scale here, by 1943, the Nazis had built four massive, industrialized gas chamber and crematoria complexes (Crematoria II, III, IV, and V) at Birkenau. During the mass arrival of Hungarian Jews in mid-1944, the sheer volume of murders completely overwhelmed the physical ovens. To keep up with the thousands of bodies, the official calculated daily capacity of these four buildings combined was 4,416 corpses per day.

Fuel and body fat from previous burnings were used to accelerate the open-air fires. They forced prisoners to dig six massive open-air burning pits behind Crematorium V and reopened older disposal trenches in the nearby woods.

Modern day Germany [83.6 million pop, 1.01% of global pop, 2,015,000 uploads per year proportionally], would have to run an infrastructure greater than the entire built crematoria system of Birkenau 24/7, indefinitely, just to handle its own daily national uploads.

Finished the finale a few days ago it's one of my favorite finales I've ever got to experience.

Possibly stupid question but as the title asks how did Maddie know what David should say to Caspian?

In theory if this is a recreation of her world how did it originally happen that way?

Like, a billion dollar company and the best idea you could think of was cloning the guy who got close to cracking integrity so that the clone could solve it? No brain boosting drugs, no specialized ai model, nothing. Honestly, if they made Caspian like some sort of genetically engineered human designed to solve difficult math problems that would have been more immersive for me. Honestly that path could have lead down more interesting plotlines, maybe looking into different kinds of transhumanism.

It occurred to me that while Stephen tried to create a copy of himself by replicating and simulating his life events onto Caspian; Maddie attempted to recreate everybody thru countless simulations, replicating those earlier events