r/limerickcity • u/phelimbirch • 5d ago
Territorial evolution of Limerick City/Metropolitan District, 1840-present
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u/AdamOfIzalith 5d ago
This feels way to big. Including Clarina and patrickswell feels like it's a bit much.
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u/Master-Reporter-9500 5d ago
Limerick should be expanded out to Larkins Cross taking over Shannon banks, Westbury and Carrig Midhe
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u/notabot_username4886 5d ago
They tried and it was shot down.
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u/nilfhiosagam 5d ago
Trying that for years. Remember the signs as a kid "Clare says no to boundary extension"
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u/wnolan1992 5d ago
Relatedly, I've always been told that Clare flat out refuse to allow UL open up an entrance on that side of the river because it's the University of "Limerick", even though it could ease traffic coming in from the Castletroy side.
Might be bollox, but it's engrained in my psyche as fact. :P
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u/notabot_username4886 5d ago
That was definitely one of the issues, I think it was Cathal Crowe giving out about that, but Id say the residents on the back road were pissy during the trial period.
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u/ahhereaherlow 5d ago
Clare County Council and UL want to develop a new village (?) out on the Clare side of the river, afaik. Limerick are agin' it. I'm sure some sort of deal will be cut eventually.
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u/Ok-Candidate5660 5d ago
Why should it? It’s part of Clare.
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u/ahhereaherlow 4d ago
From an administrative point of view it's better that there's one coherent authority planning for the city but .... mainly because they are historically Limerick-lands stolen from us by the fúcking Famine Queen and anyone refusing to return them is a quisling West-Brit who may as well join an Orange Lodge etc etc
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u/tj_haine 5d ago
As a blow-in living right on the edge of that red part I find this fascinating. I genuinely wonder how long it will take for urbanisation to swallow up the likes of Clarina and Patrickswell. Probably not so long given the rate they're throwing houses up out this way.
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u/Diarmuid0405 5d ago
Half of the red is fields. Ballyneety and it’s surrounding area is just the odd house and cattle
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u/WoahGoHandy 5d ago
keep your hands off our county!
in all seriousness, as far as Cratloe should probably be Limerick. it's basically all rich Limerick people anyway.
i'm convinced if hurling didn't exist, nobody would care, but it does and not a hope the limerick border will extend into Clare now
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u/TheAtlanteanMan 5d ago
Up to cratloe has been limerick men for a long time, the river Shannon surrounds meelick.
In the original grant of Limerick by King Henry, qnd the original borders under Boru, that was all Limerick land.
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u/WoahGoHandy 5d ago
In the original grant of Limerick by King Henry, qnd the original borders under Boru, that was all Limerick land.
wasn't it all just Thomond then? the idea of a county of Clare didn't exist.
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u/TheAtlanteanMan 5d ago
Limerick was a norse kingdom carved out of Thomond, when Brian Boru became king of Thomond he kept the title King of Limerick for some reason.
By the time the city proper was founded as we know it, the idea of Limerick was "land between the Shannon in Thomond".
This is why it goes up to Castleconnell and down to Patrickswell, and why traditionally it includes Meelick and runs down to Ballycannon.
Even the people in that bit of Clare don't really consider themselves Claremen the way people do in Kilkishen or Sixmilebridge, they know they're in clare and they know they're not in county Limerick, but they're some weird hybrid.
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u/ahhereaherlow 5d ago
The Catholic diocese of Limerick still covers Cratloe as the diocese (afaik) pre-dates the boundary change in 1840 (ie the Bishop of Limerick is nominally (?) the head of the primary school in Cratloe). I think (but I'm not sure) it might extend to Sixmilebridge, which afaik, is where the North Liberties of Limerick extended to.
It's one of those weird historical artefacts.
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u/TheAtlanteanMan 5d ago
Limerick Diocese goes to the boundary of sixmilebridge and down past meelick to ballycannon, basically find a map of the river Shannon and everything within its boundaries in clare was once Limerick.
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u/ahhereaherlow 5d ago
While we're undoing the wrongs of Queen Victoria, we should go back to calling the Shannon Estuary by its old (Gaelic?) name of Lough Limerick (Loch Luimnigh).
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u/howaythelads25 5d ago
Was the yellow or any of the expansions taken from county Clare ?
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u/phelimbirch 5d ago
No, the original proposal for the 1950 extension included territory from Clare but despite this (and various other attempts over the years) the border between the two counties is the same as it was in 1840
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u/ahhereaherlow 5d ago
Little known fact is out to Sixmilebridge was part of Limerick until 1840. It's the old North Liberties.
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u/Limerick62 5d ago
Limerick City Council should have been allowed to expand past Westbury to Ardnacrusha. You’d still be living in Co. Clare and play your hurling for The Banner to keep them happy but Planning and Development and all services in that area would be LCCC’s remit.
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u/FairDelivery769 5d ago
Wild that Castletroy/Monaleen was only added in 2014. So many estates were build in the 90s/early 00s that caused everything east of the Groody flood plain to be urban sprawl