r/Irishdefenceforces Dec 05 '25

What are the ACTUAL difference between Cadetships, General Service Recruitment and Apprentices.

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The FAQ explanation on military.ie is very poor so I'm gonna post this to explain the differences between all 3. Not just the training but also what comes afterwards, once you finish training and work in the job. It won't answer everything but hopefully it'll give a better idea of how the jobs differ.

General Service (Recruit - Private - NCO)

General Service enlistment is for those who want to serve primarily as soldiers, sailors or airmen/airwomen in frontline roles rather than as officers or specialist technicians. After recruit training, your job centres on core military skills: fieldcraft, weapons handling, duties, exercises, patrols, shipboard tasks or air corps ground roles, with further courses opening up paths like driver, gunner, seaman, security, or other non‑trade specialisations. Leadership responsibility can grow over time, but the focus is on being part of the team that actually executes missions on the ground, at sea or in the air. You can do a potential NCO Course (right out of training) to become a Corporal who are responsible for a section (a team of 9).

Officer Cadet (Cadet - Lieutenant)

An officer cadet is a leader in training whose job is to learn how to command, plan and make decisions for a team, platoon, ship’s department or flight, rather than to stay focused on one trade. Daily life after commissioning revolves around: leading troops on exercises and operations, running training, managing administration and welfare, and representing the Defence Forces in domestic and overseas roles. Training is longer and more academically demanding, with a heavy emphasis on tactics, leadership, decision‑making and professional military education so that on day one as a junior officer you are responsible for people, equipment and missions.

Once commissioned as a Lieutenant (college graduate) or 2nd Lieutenant (non graduate), an officer’s job is to lead people, plan activity and manage resources rather than focus on one specific technical task. Typical duties include running training for soldiers or sailors, leading platoons/exercises/battalions on exercises and operations, handling admin and welfare for their troops, and contributing to planning for everything from routine duties to overseas deployment. Officers also represent the Defence Forces in formal settings and are expected to keep up professional military education over their careers.

The job is less "tip of the spear" soldiering and more command and control/admin based. You won't be assault trenches or clearing rooms (that's not an officers job).

Apprentice / Technical Trainee

An apprentice or technical trainee signs up first and foremost to become a qualified tradesperson embedded in the military. The core of the job is maintaining, diagnosing and repairing Defence Forces equipment and systems so that units, ships or aircraft can actually operate, with structured technical training, civilian recognised qualifications and a clear trade progression path. Once qualified, an apprentice/technical trainee works as a tradesperson within their corps or service, responsible for keeping equipment and systems serviceable. That can mean inspection, fault‑finding and repair on vehicles, weapons, comms, aircraft or naval engineering systems, documenting work, and liaising with commanders to prioritise what must be fixed to keep units, ships or aircraft operational.  You still soldier, sail or serve in uniform however, your main contribution is technical depth rather than command responsibility for a platoon or section.

Like officers, you are not working in a soldiering capacity. You are in combat service support. You're job is to support the boots on the ground. Teamwork makes the dreamwork!!!

Hope this clears up some confusion of the roles and gives you a better idea of the entry routes into the DF.


r/Irishdefenceforces Sep 29 '25

Recruitment ALL THINGS MEDICAL

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This will cover ALL THINGS regarding the entrance medical to join the Defence Forces of Ireland - "Óglaigh na hÉireann".

Below is a clear list of the medical and physical requirements for joining the Irish Defence Forces (PDF and RDF of ALL branches and services with NO EXCEPTIONS to these standards with a minor one being vision and depth for pilots (pilots must have better vision), followed by examples of actual health conditions that would prevent someone from joining.

Medical and Physical Prerequisites

  • Be generally healthy in both body and mind.
  • Minimum height of 157.48 cm (about 5 feet 2 inches).
  • Healthy weight; Body Mass Index (BMI) must be above 20 and below 30.
  • Good eyesight; best vision in each eye at least 6/36 uncorrected, and correctable with glasses to 6/12 or better, with no significant eye diseases. Color vision must be normal.
  • Good hearing, with no ear diseases or hearing impairments.
  • Healthy mouth and teeth, with at least 11 upper and 11 lower teeth meeting.
  • Ability to complete the Defence Forces fitness test:
    • Run 2.4 km (1.5 miles) in 11 minutes 40 seconds (males) or 13 minutes 10 seconds (females)
    • 20 push-ups in one minute
    • 20 sit-ups in one minute
  • Pass basic blood and urine tests and a medical exam.
  • Provide truthful health history and give permission for Defence Forces doctors to discuss medical records with your GP.

Medical Conditions That Disqualify You

People with these specific problems or illnesses cannot join the Defence Forces:

  • Epilepsy or a history of seizures
  • ASD
  • Diabetes (Type 1 or uncontrolled Type 2)
  • Asthma that requires regular medication or is severe. (Childhood asthma requires a note from a GP stating you have had no recent cases).
  • Heart diseases (like congenital heart disease, arrhythmia, or heart attacks)
  • High blood pressure requiring ongoing medication
  • Serious or recurring mental health issues (such as depression requiring medication, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia). If you are off medication, it usually must be for a minimum of 24 months and will require notes from a GP confirming no ongoing concerns.
  • Hearing loss beyond acceptable limits or chronic ear infections
  • Significant eyesight problems not correctable to required standards, severe color blindness, or eye diseases like glaucoma or retinitis pigmentosa
  • Past eye surgery, like recent laser eye correction, unless specified recovery time and outcomes are met
  • Severe allergies (such as anaphylaxis to common triggers)
  • Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, or other serious bowel illnesses
  • HIV/AIDS or other significant blood-borne infections
  • Severe skin conditions (like severe eczema or psoriasis)
  • Musculoskeletal problems, such as chronic arthritis, history of fractures with ongoing mobility issues, missing limbs
  • Serious dental issues (like missing most teeth, severe jaw problems)
  • Substance abuse problems, including positive drug tests
  • Cancer within the last five years or ongoing cancer treatment
  • Any medical condition that needs regular hospital care, medication or specialist supervision

SUMMARY

To join the Defence Forces, you must be healthy and fit, with good eyesight, hearing, teeth, and no serious medical history. Serious or ongoing illnesses and certain physical conditions will prevent entry.

ITS NOT case by case basis. That is fucking shit advise being doled out by people who DONT know what they're talking about.

CONSULT A DOCTOR and DONT take medical advise from strangers on the Internet who clearly DONT KNOW what the induction medical, pre meds or basic requirements consist of.

RULE 13 for the sub - Requesting or offering medical advice of any kind, is strictly prohibited: Requesting or offering medical advice of any kind, including advice to bypass CRDT, entrance medicals, or DFRs (such as A9 grooming standards) is strictly prohibited. Seek information only from official sources or a medical professional NOT from strangers on the internet.

CONTACT DF Recruitment directly and ask, READ ALL correspondence and CONSULT actual Doctors. YOU ARE NOT THE EXCEPTION. If I see medical posts or questions I will remove immediately.


r/Irishdefenceforces 1h ago

Air Corps Couldn’t do June 3rd for fitness test?

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Hi,
I’m currently sitting my leaving cert and today was my first exam and the recruitment team had sent a message a few weeks ago saying essentially June 3rd is my fitness test and interview with all the info.

I had to respond back saying this doesn’t work considering my leaving cert and they messaged back saying “We will be in contact for a July date.”

Anyone else in the same boat? Any members who have an insight if this is an issue and would effect anything?

Thanks!


r/Irishdefenceforces 10h ago

Recruitment Next stage after psychometric

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I passed my psychometric test over a month ago an havent heard anything since, I got a message on rezoomo saying they will be in touch with info about the next stage soon when i passed. Just wondering if there is an estimate on when they want more info from me/ give me a date for the next step. Ive seen lads on here get that info as soon as they pass the psychometric. Is there any problem with my application?


r/Irishdefenceforces 1d ago

Question Carpenters in theArmy

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Is there carpenters in the Army? I am a carpenter in the Naval Service but curious to know if there are Carpenters in the Army. Is it possible to transfer to be closer to home?


r/Irishdefenceforces 1d ago

Army Best place to train - army recruit

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Anyone have opinions on the best place to do your army recruit training? Seems like there are a few options for the initial 12 weeks and even more after that for 2-3 star training.


r/Irishdefenceforces 2d ago

Question Weighted vest

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Any advice on a good 10KG weighted vest/plate carrier that is comfortable for runs ect…


r/Irishdefenceforces 3d ago

Question Enlisting as a Woman

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Hi everyone, thanks a million for all the great posts.

I’m interested in enlisting as an Army Recruit, with the aim to serve in the Infantry Corps.

If any women could share their experience, or any men their observations of women’s experience, please share!

Also if any women are open to dming about woman-specific considerations, I’d appreciate it.


r/Irishdefenceforces 3d ago

Recruitment Any older recruits or people who had kids before starting training? Need a bit of wisdom for approaching “the talk”.

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Bit of a weird one. When I was 17 I planned on enlisting basically straight out of school. Was convinced by the grandad to not do that, he gave his experiences and convinced me otherwise.

Cut to around 22, went to one of those “come look at what we do in the barracks” open days with my girlfriend at the time and it was a fun day, but the moment passed when I was offered a higher paying spot in the current job. The girlfriend convinced me to take the raise and save a bit so we could do a big blowout holiday, and there was always next year’s recruitment.

The itch has been there on and off ever since, but along the way we had a kid. So 10 years into the relationship, 6 into the marriage, and we have a 5 year, all as I turn 30 this year.

If I was still young and single I’d be out on the hills tomorrow getting in shape, but the toughest part of this might be convincing the family. She of course knows I have always had an itch for it, but the 22+(?) weeks away to get up to that 3* and finish training is a tall ask for her to manage, and an even harder one to ask of the little one. As the preferred parent for homework, playtime, bedtime reading, it is a tough one.

So I suppose in a big way, it is quite a selfish concept to want for now, but when it comes to her priorities in life, her number one target has already been a stable and reliable life of income and routine. Now to me and anyone else here, spot on alignment, ticks the box perfectly. But for someone who hears the words army or military, and immediately jumps to Israel Iran Lebanon America etc etc, it feels like a hard talk to have.

Would really love some input from anyone in a similar spot or has been in that spot. I’d say those training months are the biggest hurdle by far, especially when phones are typically an end of night thing, so it’d already be past bedtime and the sort when it comes to it.

Cheers.


r/Irishdefenceforces 3d ago

Question Applying for Comm Op from abroad. Is it better to fly in just for the fitness test/interview, or move to Dublin early and find a temporary job?

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Hey everyone,
I have my fitness test and interview coming up this month for the Communications Operator role. I’m currently living outside of Ireland, and I'm trying to figure out the best logistics for the rest of the recruitment process. I'm stuck between two choices and would love some advice from anyone who has gone through the process or is currently serving:

1. Fly in for a few days: Just come over to Dublin for the fitness test and interview, fly back home, and wait for the medical/vetting results before making a permanent move.

2. Move to Dublin now: Find temporary accommodation and look for a local job immediately while waiting out the stages of the application.

For context, I have 2 years of experience as a restaurant line cook and some customer service/retail experience. I’ve already tried applying for jobs in Dublin from abroad, but the feedback from interviews has been that they want me physically in the country first before hiring.
Given the current housing market in Dublin and the typical timeline between the fitness test, medical, Garda vetting, and the actual induction/start date, what makes more sense?

Appreciate any advice or insight you guys can give!


r/Irishdefenceforces 4d ago

Recruitment Starting June 22nd

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Anybody else starting basic on June 22nd? Feel like it might be good to get to know some people before going through hell together?


r/Irishdefenceforces 4d ago

News Calls for bonus payments for overstretched military personnel amid staffing shortages

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Loyalty payments should be introduced for military personnel taking on extra responsibilities while serving in units operating at less than 70% of required staffing levels for more than six months, according to a representative body for frontline members of the Defence Forces.

PDForra president Aaron Kearney said the bonuses would help improve retention within the Defence Forces and could also act as a recruitment incentive.

“Our members have been calling for equitable treatment for years on the issue of their remuneration. It’s a simple fact that many of our members are having to carry out the roles of two or in some cases three personnel due to personnel shortages,” Mr Kearney said.

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Full Article:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41853252.html


r/Irishdefenceforces 4d ago

Question Does anyone know what's the implications of the working time act being fully implemented in September?

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So forgive me for stupidity but hearing lots of barracks talk about the new clocking in system coming in and how it'll affect duties etc.

What is actually going to change or affect us on a daily basis ?


r/Irishdefenceforces 4d ago

Recruitment Best time to train (best intake)

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Is it best to join early to mid in the year for summer or to train in winter you think?


r/Irishdefenceforces 5d ago

Question ATC Cadetship questions.

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I know that the whole defence force is under staffed right now but does this apply to air traffic controllers?.

Would you recommend becoming an air traffic controller for a job later in the civilian world?.

What opportunities do you have after commissioning?.

Do you also manage civilian aircraft?. If not then is it busy with just Air Corp aircraft.

Do you have other duties or are you solely an air traffic controller?.

Is there anything you think people should know about this cadetship? Advice or niche information?.

Thank you to all replies.


r/Irishdefenceforces 6d ago

Question Question about basic

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(I didnt see any question like this so please dont delete)

For the people who have gone through basic and also watched the documentary about the basic training. Would you say it is an accurate indication of what its like or would it be harder/easier?


r/Irishdefenceforces 6d ago

Question Issued equipment

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Just wondering upon starting recruit training what equipment gets issued to you as I havent received my listt yet and have seen others on this posting long lists of stuff to bring so.i just wanna know what will be issued rather than buying something needlessly.


r/Irishdefenceforces 7d ago

Army 7th Infantry - Norwegian Ruck March

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Serious work put in today (and I imagine over last few months) by the 7th PDF completing the Norwegian Ruck March - 30km with 11kg dry pack and in under 4.5 hours - seriously fair play to all those lads involved, looked like a scorcher of a day to be running in gear too!

Looked like some event and loads/if not most seemed to come in under 4 hours!

Cool to see the DF taking on international challenges


r/Irishdefenceforces 7d ago

Question In the first 16weeks or so, are you allowed to use the gym in your free time?

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This question has not been asked yet, I've searched all over posts before asking so please don't delete it.


r/Irishdefenceforces 8d ago

Question Changing branch

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If you don’t enjoy the branch you are in is it easy to change branch? Also if you join the army and find it isn’t for you are you able to go to the air corps or navy without doing recruits again?


r/Irishdefenceforces 9d ago

Recruitment Offer 29th of May

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Has anyone else got an offer for the 29th of May, just received today it’s very soon.


r/Irishdefenceforces 11d ago

Question Vetting process

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where can you track your DF security clearance? I thought it was only Garda, which shows as completed. I have no idea how far my DF security clearance is, and whether it's already completed. I applied in Apr 2025 but had to redo one part of the medical and the person on Rezoono told me they are waiting for the medical records to be checked by the doc.


r/Irishdefenceforces 11d ago

Question Questions about time during recruitment and life after basic.

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Hi everyone,

I am a 23 year old female looking to join the DF. I just have a few questions to help me decide if its the right choice or not. Any help is appreciated.

-During basic do i have my own room or is it shared living?

-What are your most reccomended courses to apply for post basic?

-If im living in ,am i permitted to live in on weekends and is there a food option in the evenings and weekends?

-I have seen its hard enough to go overseas so during work life what would i be doing?

-( maybe a stupid question ) Are you allowed to wear your uniform, say if going home on friday for the weekend?

Any and all help is appreciated, Thankyou.


r/Irishdefenceforces 13d ago

Army Quiet professionals, the Army Ranger Wing. [2021?]

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r/Irishdefenceforces 13d ago

Recruitment Chances of getting in

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Hi all, I've applied for Air Corp general service and am just wondering the likelihood of me getting in should I meet the requirements. I assumed like any military they take anyone they can get who meets the minimum requirements. However after watching the RTE documentary on the army they make it seem as though the chances of getting an offer for general service are still very low.

For context I've just finished college and don't want to go into the office work and am currently applying to both Air Corp and the Guards. I just don't want to get my hopes up and delay my career waiting on this to simply not get in.

Thanks to anyone who can help.