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u/Far_Ladder_2836 13d ago

Lupita Nyong'o is black and plays Helen.  The original poster in the meme thinks this would be fixed by casting the above actress who, if you've wver been to Greece, looks way more caucasian/white than your average Greek.

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u/SosseV 13d ago

Had to Google her but Helen's main thing is that she is one of the most beautiful women in the world, so once again absolutely defendable casting.

I don't know why I would join in in such stupid non-discussions anyhow, as if any maga idiot would be convinced by rational arguments, or as if I should care as a European.

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

What does her being bald have to do with anything? Is Helen known for her hair?

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u/gatorsfan5192 13d ago

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

I’m just trying to understand

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u/Largeitude 13d ago

No you’re not

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

Then what am I trying to do? I haven’t read the Odyssey maybe her having long luscious hair is a big part of it idk. But you know my motives better than I do I guess, so I’d like to know

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u/Largeitude 13d ago

I dunno. But trying to understand is clearly not what you’re doing.

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

Sounds like you don’t even know what you’re doing

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u/Largeitude 13d ago

that’s only because subtext and critical thinking is difficult for you. I know what I’m doing. I’m dismissing your bullshit.

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

Lol I thought you said you didn't know what I was doing? But the thing that you don't know is bullshit? That thing being, asking if Helen's hair is important or highlighted in a book that I haven't read. Idk who you're mad at dude, but it isn't me.

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u/gatorsfan5192 13d ago

You're being purposefully disengenous so I respond and then you can call me a racist.

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

I would’ve said I think mentioning that she’s bald is irrelevant and dumb if it has nothing to do with the source material because if it didn’t then that’s more about your personal opinion of beauty. But her description in the story might emphasize that she has long or luscious hair in which case, yeah okay I could understand thinking the actor should too. I don’t know because I haven’t read the Odyssey, so I asked. If you had said yeah she’s supposed to have long hair I would’ve said something like, ok thanks I didn’t know.

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u/gatorsfan5192 13d ago

Ancient Greek Mythology whiteness was associated with attractiveness and status, as those of darker skin spent more time outside "laboring".

it's an ancient culture, argue against their ideals all you want but this is simply a political motivation for race swapping Helen of Troy. It's dumb, it's counter to the story. I'll just not watch it 🤷

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

If I wanted to argue about the race swap, I would’ve honed in on you saying a *black* woman as the most beautiful woman in Greece. I did not do that. I never mentioned her race. Idc about the race swap but I know that people are pissed about it and I don’t see the benefit in arguing with every commenter when neither of us are going to change our minds. I just thought calling out her being bald was weird and I hadn’t seen that before so I asked what that had to do anything. And in response you’re telling me about Ancient Greece ideals regarding whiteness…

Again. You guys are not mad at me.

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u/gatorsfan5192 13d ago

I've seen quite a few photos of Lupita and she is typically either, bald or extremely short haired. It's an odd thing to hone in on, as that's not really my issue. Helen of Troy was supposed to be so beautiful she was worth fighting a war over. I do not think Lupita is attractive, and she doesn't look like a Greek at all. It's just counter to common sense.

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u/anthonyg1500 13d ago

Well I think the hair being odd to hone on is why I asked because I thought why is it worth mentioning in your original comment. It just felt random so maybe it was a big deal in the story. I’m not going to try to argue with you over whether you should think Lupita is beautiful, I think she is but that’s your prerogative. I’d only say that any woman that plays the role, someone somewhere is gonna think she’s not beautiful.

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