Help identify this flag in Germany

[u/kbhina]

Found this flag cut out sticker in the small German town of Irrel. Can someone identify this flag?

Irrel: https://maps.app.goo.gl/NgVkz7ow3FFwUmX3A?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

[u/kvd_]

it's a "german pride flag" used by the AfD as a way to mock LGBT people. not sure why they added prussia but it's probably just more german nationalism. here's an AfD poster doing the same thing:

[u/Coteoki → u/kvd_]

The same party that has a lesbian as leader?

[u/TimeRisk2059 → u/Coteoki]

In fairness Ernst Röhm (leader of the nazi Sturm Abteilung) was also homosexual. But he claimed that his form of homosexuality was the "good kind", a warrior's homosexuality among brothers in arms, and not a decadent type of homosexuality among degenerates (which was the "bad kind").

[u/[deleted] → u/TimeRisk2059]

So basically he was saying that he's too manly to sleep with a woman?😂😂😂

[u/TimeRisk2059 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, think "greek warrior ideal" ^^

[u/LotharBoin → u/TimeRisk2059]

Kinda, but the Greeks were never accepting of gays, that's an extremely common misconception.

[u/TimeRisk2059 → u/LotharBoin]

You're joking right? Homosexuality was even institutionalised in some cases. What they didn't like were bottoms, be it homo- or heterosexuality, being a bottom was unmanly.

[u/LotharBoin → u/TimeRisk2059]

I'm not joking, no. Unless you're counting the Theban gay army, all the examples of supposed 'gayness' in Ancient Greece as far as I'm aware were mostly referring to pedophilic relationships which were also frowned upon by many, but also unfortunately legal at the time.

If you're more interested in this, you should look into pederasty, and perhaps into the mentions of it by notable scholars and philosophers of the times. If I remember correctly, it was Plato or Aristotle who scorned other teachers for having pederastic relations with their students.

And there were many such cases. In fact, the stain on one's reputation would follow them throughout their lives if they were a student who engaged in pederasty with their teacher, so in fact the 'rapee' would often be shamed for having 'allowed' it to happen.

This sort of stigma continued through to the Roman republic and later empire. where the political opponents would often spread rumours in attempts to shame each other of being gay, or more precisely of being 'the catcher' because receiving a penis was considered feminine and weak, therefore 'gay' people who 'received' were considered as inferior.

Oh and of course, most of said accusations were of course just that, accusations. In fact a lot of the accused parties in those times were never proven to have been in such situations. One such famous example was Julius Ceasar himself, about whom there were rumours of him being 'a catcher', but he was also known for being a notorious womanizer so it is very highly unlikely that he was engaging in homosexual activities, at the very least not in the context which the rumours presented.

The ancient world had different concepts on sexuality than we do today, for them (Greeks and Romans) depending too much on emotions and being emotional was considered feminine and by extension weak, and 'catching' was also therefore feminine and weak. So it is highly unlikely that anyone in their right mind, who wanted a reputation in any sort of trade in that time would openly engage in such activities.

[u/That_Complaint_6078 → u/[deleted]]

Greek - Roman ideal

[u/Madatsune → u/[deleted]]

The main reason he got killed because he was part of the left wing that wanted a violent social revolution and was in control of the largest militia by numbers at the time. But him belonging to a social group the right wing of the Nazi party (which was in control after the purge that killed him) wanted to exterminate didn‘t exactly help his case.

[u/TimeRisk2059 → u/Madatsune]

Yeah, it was more because he was a rival for power that Hitler needed to get rid of to be the unquestioned leader of the nazi party, than his homosexuality, but it certainly didn't help.

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100% sure if he stayed loyal to Hitler like Hitler wanted he would not care who Röhm fucked.

[u/Maximum-Warthog2368 → u/[deleted]]

Not necessarily because later they used anti homosexuality propaganda to otherised and persecute people.

So if Rohm gets caught in it, he would get persecuted too because people’s opinion are always more powerful than individuals.

Even hitler has to take account of that fact even in nazi Germany .

[u/[deleted] → u/Maximum-Warthog2368]

Not really. 

[u/Maximum-Warthog2368 → u/[deleted]]

Why? Nazi Germany literally kills thousands and thousands of LGBTQIA’s people and persecute them. So how did you think this propaganda wouldn’t make people to persecute rohm even if he is powerful? I am not saying he wouldn’t be able to save himself with his power or propaganda but there would be chance that his opponent will use it to persecute him.

[u/Born_Passenger9681 → u/[deleted]]

are you sure?

[u/[deleted] → u/Born_Passenger9681]

No. You are right. 

[u/Born_Passenger9681 → u/[deleted]]

i didn't make a definitive statement, i just wanted to express that i haven't seen a reason to be certain to be "100% sure if he stayed loyal to Hitler like Hitler wanted he would not care who Röhm fucked."

[u/VZialionymLiesie → u/[deleted]]

NSDAP takes internalised homophobia very seriously

[u/UncleCrassiusCurio → u/TimeRisk2059]

Michael Kühnen was also very gay and very Nazi. Somehow they're always "the good one" and every other one is "the bad kind"