It's not just undocumented foreigners they want gone

[u/Popular-Guard3986]

Whenever criticisms of March and March's negative rhetoric of foreigners is discussed, their supporters will often say it's only undocumented immigrants they are after, but anyone actually paying attention knows, that is not the case.

I'm not saying the man in this clip speaks on behalf of all March and March supporters(nor do I know if he's even apart of March and March) but what I am saying is that his sentiment is shared by many. When you have jacinta ngobese zuma saying false generalizations such as foreigners commit most crimes, are entitled, are taking all the jobs, etc, how can we not expect broad anti-immigrant sentiment to grow.

We are 29 days away from that deadline, and if we already have school children attacking foreigners( look up kraaifontein student riot) I can't imagine what will happen then.

I won't stay silent as a propaganda movement preys misdirected anger. You don't have to speak up, but at least keep yourself educated on the facts and share them with people who are being misled.

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[u/ZambakZulu]

Foreigners always take the blame when times are tough. I wish the people would look to their leaders at all levels of government who aren't working to improve their situation materially through executing and implementing good policy. Most Foreigners have come here for a better life and are prepared to work for it. It's truly sad to witness after all these years of freedom. I remain hopeful but can't deny that the people's government has let us down.

[u/Obvious-Insurance-34 → u/ZambakZulu]

Yeah, I wish there was this much upheaval when we lose millions to corrupt politicians. And this is my conspiracy that there is something they are distracting us from.

[u/TanToRiaL → u/ZambakZulu]

Because the leaders are shit scared and to deflect from their failings they rile up the public to say, no no it’s not our fault, it’s those foreigners that are harming you.

[u/Likma_sack → u/TanToRiaL]

Just look at what that rapist trump did before their elections... The rhetoric being spewed by this zuma is the same as the republicans.

[u/Obvious-Insurance-34 → u/TanToRiaL]

We forget that they aren't even the ruling class white people who make up 7% of our population hold 80% of the wealth so we are definitely looking at the wrong foreigners. But no one wants to have that conversation.

[u/MynameisKai99 → u/Obvious-Insurance-34]

Dont know why you getting dislikes

[u/UbuntuElphie → u/MynameisKai99]

Probably because it was unnecessarily race baiting. I fully agree that there needs to be a redistribution of wealth, but if you are born in Africa, and have known no other home but Africa, you are African, regardless of skin colour.

While I am proud of my country, I am not proud of its past, and reparations are needed to heal our past, but calling all whites "foreigners" just because they are born of immigrants isn't the way to go about that healing.

Go back far enough, and we're all born of immigrants. Migration is a thing, oppression, xenophobia, and general othering should not be.

(Cue the down votes)

[u/Abstract_exsistance → u/ZambakZulu]

Exactly.

[u/murinero]

As a foreigner we picked this up a while ago. They say "undocumented" in speech alone, but in practise, they're against anybody who is black and NOT South African. Saying undocumented makes them sound like they're legit. Cos even I would agree with there being an immigration issue. However when they're kicking people out of hospitals, it's just foreigners.. Not "undocumented" ones.. When they make noise at schools, it's about all foreigners.. And here in this clip above he let's the cat out the bag.

This has been bubbling for a long time now, but this version has clearer and bigger voices behind them now, so they can all expose their true feelings cos they feel validated.. So it's no longer the random skirmishes in pockets of places, it's now full-blown retaliation against the 'other'....

.......but only if they're black

[u/Tasty_Wasabi_6801 → u/murinero]

You have to recognize that this isn't all South Africans tho. I don't understand why they wouldn't want to have legal foreigners in the country. I don't think they have negative impacts on society. I believe people say rash things about legal foreigners are misinformed and just saying things for whatever reason.

Also I think everyone should at least have empathy for foreigners within our country(not committing crime), as they come from rough circumstances which have 'forced' them here. Trevor Noah said it well, "people don't leave they're countries, culture, language, music and food for nothing". I'm paraphrasing.

Also these ppl who say legal foreigners must leave as well probably live in areas with tons of illegals who commit crimes and probably can't distinguish between the 2 anymore haha. I mean no foreigners walking with a stamp on on their foreheads that say IM LEGAL. or. Illegal. 

[u/murinero → u/Tasty_Wasabi_6801]

Don't think I said or implied it was all South Africans. I live here.. I'm very aware it's a certain group. And that group has their own lived experiences and conclusions that allow them to believe what they're saying makes sense. I saw an interview with one of the big voices last week, and the guy was literally talking nonsense. Verifiable nonsense..! But if you looked at the comments, that didn't matter.. The interviewer was the problem for asking questions that exposed how silly the rhetoric is..

Just amazing. 🙄

Thing is, there's really no excuse. It's not JUST the people who live in places with 'tons of illegals'.. It's people who have followers, people who are educated even.. I've heard this stuff in circles that have genuinely shocked me. Sure the majority are people in lower income areas.. But they're far from alone now..

[u/skaapjagter]

Fork found in kitchen.

It has never been only about the undocumented

[u/Special_Ad_9765]

After they are done with foreigners, they are going for other tribes. I’m sure they are going to start attacking Tsongas and Vendas 🤦🏽‍♀️. The ones in Western Cape killed a Tsonga boy all because he’s not Xhosa

[u/Adele__fan → u/Special_Ad_9765]

They say he was killed because they thought he was a foreigner, which then raises the question. Why is it okay to kill a foreigner?

[u/OP_AOC]

I think every black South African with foreign origins knew this. Even if I have the passport that has not stopped from getting harassed at home affairs, by the police, being othered by other locals. Two stories to share. (Two of many but I'll be going on for days.) The first one is when I was going home in an uber from school (this trip was less than a kilometer) and a policeman (in a golf) turned on the sirens and aggressively stopped the uber. I thought something may be wrong with the uber but to my suprise he greeted the uber driver. Instead the officer started shouting at me! He shouted " WHERE ARE YOU FROM?" repeatedly. Mind you this was in Fourways (Johannesburg) of all places? So what because I look foreign you stop the uber ride and start pressing me? Are we back to the 1950's? I was 17 at the time too. Not even an adult. Wild stuff.

Next story is from the time my brother, my mom and I were at a loundge at O.R Tambo. We met a lady there who was no doubt educated (or at the very least well off). She over heard us speaking a foreign language and she asked us if we have foreign origins. We said yes. She then went on a small rant about how we are hard wokers but if they could (they being South Africans) they would kill us all. She used the term "we" by the way...

I could go for days with stories like this. Which is why when someone online says " South Africans are so kind" I always think to myself that it's only really the case if you are a white or maybe an American foreigner. For the rest of us? Even those of us with the South African passport. Yeah no. They are extremely unwelcoming but that's just my experience.

And before anyone says anything no I did not provoke anyone. I'm an introvert.

[u/DaveSkinz]

Our helper has been with us for 15 years. She told us she is being forced to leave Diepsloot by the end of the month or there will be “consequences”. She gets harassed everyday. She also went to a hospital to seek treatment. She was refused help and told to go back to Zim. She is here legally. One of the hardest working and most genuine people I know. Being treated like garbage. It’s very sad 😞

[u/Regitnui]

Foreigners are an easy demographic to target, especially in an already very diverse society like ours. There's precious little else the demagogues and losers-in-power can paint with a sweeping brush as "not South African" without excluding someone they'd want the support of later.

[u/Voldemorts__Mom]

Most South Africans come from foreigners lol.

English from England, Afrikaans from Holland, Black people from central Africa

Let's just fucking kick everyone out and just leave the Koi San people here. At least the country will finally have peace 🤷🏻‍♂️

We were all born on the planet Earth, and now we've divided it up and said who can go where. What a sad joke.

I'm personally pro Pan-Africanism. Borders just divide us.

[u/Global-Week1960 → u/Voldemorts__Mom]

ah yes the same colonial talking points, It's pretty misleading to think any Dutch,English person has any indigenous roots to Africa and to claim they are foreigners like the Zulu, Tswana.

[u/Voldemorts__Mom → u/Global-Week1960]

All humans come from Africa. So yes, literally every single human on the planet earth has roots in Africa.

I didn't say the Zulu are foreigners to Africa, I said they're foreigners to SOUTH Africa.

I'm literally here saying the most woke shit possible and you're accusing me of colonial talking points. Lol? It's LITERALLY COLONIALISM THAT MADE THE AFRICAN BORDERS LOL

[u/Global-Week1960 → u/Voldemorts__Mom]

Also I don't think English and Dutch people should qualify for foreigner status, since they are literal colonial settlers.

[u/DarthPhranque]

And yet, in our beloved constitutional democracy, no justice will be brought to the instigators of this violent rhetoric. People will be killed, like they were in 2008. And no one will be held responsible. Politicians making money off of people’s anger and desperation only to give them a weak target rather than the actual political systems that create the anger and desperation. Fucking magats in African clothing.

[u/benevolent-badger]

What really grinds my gears, is when disagree with them online, they immediately assume you are white. Like you can't be black and think that treating others the way black South Africans have been treated for centuries, is wrong. And then they still claim this isn't just racism. They have the audacity to pretend they aren't rasist, fascists

[u/Popular-Guard3986 → u/benevolent-badger]

I feel your frustration. I try to be open to opposing views but alot of the time all I see is personal attacks and claims that I don't know what it's like on the ground. I post facts to combat rhetoric but people don't care because their minds are already made up. Facts don't seem to matter these days, it's more about how you say something and who you say it to.

[u/benevolent-badger → u/Popular-Guard3986]

Their "you don't know what it's like" is also utter bullshit. I go government health facilities almost weekly. My treatment is never delayed due to foreigners in the queue ahead of me. My treatment gets delayed by the fact that billions are stolen from the system each year, and there is not enough left for anyone. Chasing away all the foreigners, who I must add, actually have to pay for the services, is not going to change anything. 

[u/DaRealGladi8r]

How many vacancies have they gained following the 300 Ghanians departure?

Jacinta's husband works in enterprise procurement. She has nothing to worry about because her man is selling CCTVs at incredible markups to enterprises

[u/nerdyblackmail]

I mean I agree that the government should have been more strict on immigration and less corrupt but I get a feeling that a lot of these March and March people voted for the ANC anyway. And in any case, if the foreigners go, I wonder if these people will work as hard as them? Or do they want an opportunity to loot.

Im absolutely terrified for everyone in Durban really. The 2021 riots were horrible and this looks even worse as theres already a build up. The problem is a lot of people want an excuse to loot and this gives them a chance. Which is a tragedy for all the honest hard working people (both local and foreign).

[u/Terrible-Writer-3091]

So what are you saying? What is your stance?

[u/Popular-Guard3986 → u/Terrible-Writer-3091]

My overall stance is that people are being misled by the architects and leaders of the various anti immigration movements. This post is just to demonstrate that the sentiment these groups preach results in animosity to all foreigners, not just unlock. I am also trying to encourage people to research facts instead of simply believing anything that is said.

[u/alishaheed]

You’ve posted THREE threads about March and March. And as you rightfully point out, this person not a spokesperson. The SABC could be interviewing a random person in the street, expressing his views on Martians and their existence, and no one will draw a conclusion that South Africans wear tin foil hats. Why would you try to discredit and gaslight people who oppose illegal migration?

[u/Adele__fan → u/alishaheed]

I think it is fair to post interviews of the people on the ground. The organiser will not be controlling the thousands of people at that strike and it is only fair we get to see the reasoning of the people that will actually be on the ground. No anti-immigration strike organiser has ever openly spoken out about being against all African immigrants, it is always the illegal in speech. But the feet on the ground always go for all, regardless of documentation.

[u/Popular-Guard3986 → u/alishaheed]

I understand your concern. I am not try to gaslight and discredit people's concerns, but rather point out that the leaders off the movements they support are saying things which are not only false, but extend past just undocumented foreigners. jacinta ngobese zuma continually pedals lies about the attitudes and intentions of foreigners, not just undocumented. Also if the SABC saw it fit to broadcast this interview( because keep in mind that news channels take many interviews before selecting which to air) I think it's fair that I share and comment. Like I've said before( and you can check my previous posts) I have no problem with people raising concerns over immigration. My issue is when lies are used to fuel hatred.

[u/xsv_compulsive → u/alishaheed]

Yeah, march march intentions are actually very wholesome, this guy it's just an outlier

/s