Genocide?

[u/Empty-Champion6929]

There are claims that there is a genocide taking place in South Africa and I think the fact that the US is adamantly propagating this propagandistic narrative is more reason not to trust them.

Furthermore, I am disappointed in Trump's refusal to at least consider Ramaphosa's sentiments during yesterday's meeting. He seems to be both gullible and ignorant.

I should finally mention that I am deeply hurt by our fellow white South Africans who are proudly reinforcing these claims of genocide. I know that our country is run by an incompetent and self-serving government that seems to not have any concerns about economic development. However, seeing a cohort of white people take the stance of validating that there is a genocide is painful to witness.

As someone born post apartheid, I'm finally starting to see.

[u/Empty-Champion6929]

Clearly, we're a country that is plagued by excessive crime. Which is a reality that reflects the uselessness of our government. However, I'm opposed to this fascist effort made by Trump, his administration and SOME white South Africans to manipulate and distort information for reasons that seem to be predicated on political gain. We have a high crime rate that needs to be alleviated and that's all there is just that.

With respect to farm attacks, I don't think they're happening on the basis of racial discrimination. It appears that they're a byproduct of the exceeding unemployment rate(poverty) in South Africa which in my view the state partially accounts for. 

If our leaders together with US leaders want to make strides towards strengthing food security in SA then they can do so without disingeniously bringing up race.

[u/Aggravating_Blood598 → u/Empty-Champion6929]

So farmers and their families are gang-raped, impaled, burned, shot, disemboweled, tortured and humiliated due to poverty? Because you need to rape and torture someone before you can steal their laptops, TVs and smartphones right? It’s just them trying to feed their families right?

Poverty and desperation breed tenacity, not cruelty. Politicians indoctrinating the youth against the white population of our country breeds cruelty. Our state focussing more on their coffers than the administration of justice, enables that cruelty.

Because it’s easier to deflect the issues of the country onto a minority population that hasn’t been in power for almost 40 years, than it is to admit incompetence. It’s easier to keep the population that votes for your government uneducated and impoverished than to actually uplift them. Post-Apartheid white people didn’t oppress the black population of South Africa. The ANC did.

[u/Empty-Champion6929 → u/Aggravating_Blood598]

And what you're saying about politicians indoctrinating the youth against white population is a lie. My generation is the most racially interlinked generation in SA history. 

There are more interracial connections than there's ever been. 

Politics is ruining everything.

[u/Aggravating_Blood598 → u/Empty-Champion6929]

So Malema chanting “Kill the Boer” in front of a massive crowd is not indoctrination, but Trump saying “What is happening is bad” is?

I don’t know if you think you’re debating a boomer, I’m 28 my guy. Your generation isn’t as inter-linked as you think. Your/my generation is unfortunately too preoccupied debating the meaning of the word genocide, rather than actually demanding answers from our leaders. Answers for everything, not just this.

What does it matter if it’s a genocide or not? What does it matter if the murders are committed against black people or white? Clearly it matters to you, because you didn’t cry out for justice for the murders in the black community. You rolled your eyes at the silly white people over-exaggerating again. We’re so inter-linked and you are so tolerant, yet you make 2 sweeping statements about all white people propagating lies. Seems pretty ignorant, no?

When you google white genocide in South Africa, every single liberal media organisation bombards you with articles about how there isn’t one. So why are you still debating it then? You like screaming into an echo-chamber hearing your own opinions bounced back at you forever?

You chose to bash a politician you disagree with rather than take a logical stance and admit that these actions are wrong. Because that’s the modern liberal mindset: “Trump is bad, therefore I can’t ever acknowledge that he could ever have a point about anything.” A broken clock is correct twice a day.

P.S. Still waiting to hear what heroic sentiments were expressed by Ramaphosa.

[u/Empty-Champion6929 → u/Aggravating_Blood598]

You're seemingly under the impression that I am pro-ANC, of which I am not. In fact I am of the belief that if the ANC's governance perpetuates, this country will run down to the ground. 

But at the same time, I refuse to overlook the horrors that could emerge as a result of these genocidal claims Trump has been making. Your vantage point on this issue is clearly reductive. You argue that it's not important that there is a false narrative that basically deems black people as perpetrators of hate crimes. And I think that you're wrong for that.  You're trying to use the ANC's incompetence to trivialize propaganda.

Also you've been making nuanced attempts to paint me as a bad person throughout this exchange. Do not twist my words brother. And yes, I speak without contradicting when I say we live in the most multi racial period comparatively.

You're right, left-wing media is pushing back on the lies and that I'm grateful.

Must be nice being part of the cohort of white people who swear that they're being targeted on the basis of colour.