r/lebanon • u/Residual-Heat • Apr 08 '26

Vent / Rant Everyone's a winner (except Lebanon)

Depending on who you ask everyone is a winner. Israel and USA say they won, Iran and Hezbollah will claim victory.

Lebanon is left with 1500+ dead civilians, nearly a million refugees, and occupied lands in the south.

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

How can you compare 2023 (a time when Iran was sanctioned) with a post war Iran when the US agrees to all 10 points which include Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon? The axis won their war, Iran got everything it wanted, Israel will no longer get US support for its expansionist project, the entire region needs to rebuild, why on earth would Hezbollah start a war later on?

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u/theStrategist37 Apr 08 '26

One reason is because its stated goal is to destroy Israel. Another aspect is, I doubt Iran has won, I'm fairly sure if Iran gets close to getting nuclear weapons again, there will be another war, it's existential for Israel given current Iran's stated goals. And if Iran thinks it's won, it'd probably try. Just one possible scenario.

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

Iran just changed the world, it proved that hypersonics are an alternative non-nuclear deterrent, Israel is toast, the US needs to pay for this whole ordeal and it will be cutting military aid to Israel.. the stated goal even according to the ayatollah is to end the US hegemony and foreign policy and Israeli aggression, he says it all the time to his people, Iranians have repeated time and time again that they don't hate Americans or Jews, they want to end the State of Israel, not Israel, meaning ending the Jewish State, allowing for a secular state that protects Arabs and Jews alike... For 40 years they've been accused of being weeks away from a bomb, while their ideology prevents them from having one, they went and built tens of thousands of missiles, they had the capability to make a nuke but they tried everything to keep the JCPOA which allows for foreign inspection of their nuclear facilities because they were desperately trying to keep their nuclear energy because they were sanctioned.. in a last effort to show the world that they didn't want nuclear weapons, they enriched uranium up to 60% as a way to prove to everyone that they can do it, but they won't do it, it was a signal and a threat, the demand was sanctions relief, and this deal just gave them everything they ever wanted.. Iran won the war, and did it without nukes, and is on its way to become a major economic power in the region.. all the other players are at a disadvantage now except for Iran

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u/theStrategist37 Apr 08 '26

Israel is toast? Want to compare damage Israel took to, say, Iran or Lebanon?

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

Pointless to talk to you if this is all you have to say to everything i said .. this is not a damage comparison.. this is a statement of fact, Israel as a state is in deep shit.. Lebanon as a state is fine.. and the war is between Iran who wants peace and stability and Israel who wants expansion, Iran wins, Israel loses, you wanna repeat the whole "hayda ma essmo intissar" rhetoric, but you never listen when people explain why it is a victory, an Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon coupled with no ambitions in the regions for the foreseeable future is definitely a victory, if you go attack someone and don't achieve your goals, you lose and they win even if you gave them a black eye, they endured and you lost your game.. this is what the conversation is about.. the US lost a war according to the US analysts not according to me, and they will have to change their foreign policy towards the middle east, which includes the Israeli aid.. this is historic

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u/theStrategist37 Apr 08 '26

If it's pointless of you to talk, don't. But Israel's stated goal with Iran was setting back nuclear and missile program... you think that wasn't achieved?

Don't make same mistake Hamas made on October 7th where it thought Israel just needs the push and it'll collapse... yes Israel has internal troubles, but shooting some rockets on them tends to be a unifying factor for quite a while.

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

Nuclear weapons were never the Iranian goal, the nuclear enrichment is already on the 10 point deal the US will be negotiating in Pakistan, and Iran still has missiles for years to come. Meaning the ballistic program is alive and well, and the nuclear energy program is on its way to become ratified and protected, and the regime didn't fall, Israeli and american goals are an epic miserable fail.. the US had to pull interceptor stocks from all over the world to replenish the iron dome and its bases and still it fell short, Israel is literally defenseless to missiles.. you're living under a rock watching too much mtv