It's very interesting timing that he left for CA so quickly after the Inn burned. Did he set fire to it? Was he using his forklift from Walmart on something untoward and the Inn was caught in the cross fire? Was that why Jimmy came to see him?? Was he involved?! The world may never know.

ETA guys this is a joke 😂 I was up at 2 am and Gilmore girls is my sleep show, so i listen to it while i fall asleep and this absurd thought came into my brain when I was listening to Rory talk to Jess through the window at Mrs. Kim's about how they thought it was a faulty wire.

When Christopher came into money and offered to pay for Chilton, Lorelai should have accepted the money.

He owed her for half of it, at least. And if I’m understanding correctly, he never paid child support so he owed her for that as well.

She was a new business owner and that money could have really helped her.

Also, Rory should have accepted money from Christopher for the first two years of Yale as well so she could pay her grandparents back immediately (I know they wouldn’t actually make her pay it back but I’m assuming she insisted).

Has anybody else noticed how beautiful their porch is?? They have so so many flowers and plants growing like EVERYWHERE… I know they would not be taking care of it (Lorelei and Jason talking about that plant and photosynthesis) and if they have a gardener this does not look like it would be cheap and it wouldn’t make sense for them to be paying a lot of money for that. I love their house so much but it seems a bit unrealistic for them

If you haven’t seen Widow’s Bay (Apple TV), you’re missing out on a fantastic performance by Nancy Lenehan. She’s hilarious and the show is spectacular. Just wanted to share!

1. That she was never criticized by anyone before she met Mitchum.

Facts:

She is criticized in every opening episode of every single one of the first five seasons by some adult: Lorelai, Richard, Lorelai, Taylor and Lorelai.

She is criticized by Doyle so harshly, that she even says that maybe she peaked in high school. Then by the ballerina for bodyshaming her in the roast, (and a bit by Lorelai who points out to her that people only talk mean but she is the only one who writes mean, too), then by Doyle again, for wanting to make things better and writing something positive about the ballerina.

She is criticized by headmaster Charlston and the guidance counselor for being a "loner", by Lorelai for telling Emily about the termites, by headmaster Charlston for fighting with Paris, by the Yale professor who gave her the D, by Jess and Logan for being too sheltered, by Marty for being too naive, by Dean for obsessing too much about Harvard and not having time for him, by Lane in season 1 for not having time for her, by Emily in season 1 for not appreciating the birthday party,

by Lorelai for lying to her to help Lane in season 1.

She criticized herself for letting Jess treating her like dirt, for not telling Dean about Tristan, for failing at Chilton, for failing at Yale.

1. That she was always "chased after" by boys and everyone always loved her until she met Logan

Facts:

She was rejected by the guy whom she asked out in the laundry room and later she found out that he barely even remembered her. He had no idea why was she mentioning the laundry room to him. Later, she was ignored by the guy in Florida, until Paris kissed her, which was the only thing he actually liked enough to approach her. She was not treated very nicely by

the guy who Emily saw in diapers - he ditched her for his friends. She had an awkward date with the "preppy" guy, and Luke and Lorelai had to advise her on the phone.

She was ghosted and dumped by Jess. She got dumped 3 times by Dean. (Sure, he felt rejected by her all 3 times, but she still was the one to get the official dumping three times).

By the time she met Logan, she had a very good idea about what it feels like to be rejected or not chased.

1. That she was actually perfect or almost perfect before season 4 or before season 3.

Facts:

Season 1: She pilot, she chose to not go to Chilton just because she just met a cute guy, Dean. They are not even dating yet. This makes Lorelai yell "does he have a motorcycle? Because if you'r gonna throw your life again, he'd better have a motorcycle!"... By the end of the pilot, she changes her mind back because of learning what Lorelai went though for her.

She ran away from home after a fight, lettig Sookie, Max and Lorelai desperately looking for her - she hid at her grandparents' house without even leaving a note for her mom.

She lied to Lorelai about helping Lane to go on the double date.

Season 2: She cheated on Dean in the finale of season 2, at Sookie's wedding.

She skipped school and missed Lorelai's graduation to go see Jess in NYC while still being offcially with Dean.

... Of course, she had lots of great moments, too, being a mostly good person wanting to do what is right. But she was never perfect.

1. that she thinks everything should be handed to her, everything comes easy for her.

Facts:

She struggled in Chilton and had to put in hard work, she got her first D at Chilton, first year. She also struggled in her first year at Yale, but still made it into second year in season 5.

She stressed about final exams at Chilton so badly that Lorelai was afraid to tell her that Jess had left.

She changed a boring story that Paris gave her to write into an amazing one.

She tried over and over to impress Doyle who at first did not like her writing a few times. Then she struggled to convince him to fix her situation with the ballerina but she was not allowed to do that.

She wondered out loud in the car in front of Jess if she is brave enough to work in dangerous places.

She wondered to Lorelai if she is too sheltered after Logan called her that.

She came from the construction site in s2 having learned stuff about how to build a house and flexing her knowledge to Kirk, but in the morning she did not know anything about construction yet.

*honorable mention:
That she was always financially privileged. Not only did she grow up in a shed, and then with a mother who had to go beg grandparents for money, but also,
she is so broke in season 5 that Lorelai forces a 20dollar bill upon her and asks around for a job for her.
In season 4 she notices that her mom is buying "real food" and not paying for cable, because her mom is struggling financially due to the recently opened Dragonfly.
Rory refuses to accept money for Yale on "too easy" terms, too. She is privileged, but also knows money struggles that Logan simply doesn't.

Aside from Lane, Rory never had any real friends throughout the entire series.

Paris? Frenemy. She never really gained her trust. Rory was always disposable. Madeleine and Louise were loyal to Paris and therefore couldn't be to Rory.

Lucy and Olivia? Maybe. But they were shown way too briefly, and more than likely just a plot device to show that Rory was afraid of the future.

Tana and Janet were never really more than just roommates to Rory. They're hardly ever even mentioned after Rory's first year at Yale.

Anyone else was either a love interest, an ex, or a nuisance. Jess, Dean, Tristan, Francie, even Glenn!

Logan's friends were friends with Rory but only by association. I doubt Rory and Colin would hangout alone and talk about life.

Zach and Brian were friendly with Rory, but again, they weren't HER friends. They were Lane's.

Marty was the SINGULAR charachter that Rory met on her own. That she bonded with on her own. That she grew close to on her own. She was comfortable with him. I mean she fell asleep while studying in his room. You don't fall asleep near random college boys unless they have your trust. They liked the same shows. He'd bring by snacks for her. They bonded over coffee. They had a class together meaning they at least shared some other interests. He wasn't a fleeting charachter like the girl who sat down across from Rory to read or even the girls she met her first night at Yale. He was reoccurring.

He could have been her one best friend at Yale. More stable than Paris. Warm and comforting. He could have been the one to give her a reality check when she'd spent too much time off school.

Instead? They add him to the growing pile of boys smitten by a Gilmore Girl. Threw away all the potential of his charachter. Turned him into this weak, pathetic immoral basket case that was hitting on his old friend at his girlfriend's birthday party.

He could have been so much more. Her boy best friend. Instead he was just another boy in unrequited love.

1. that he was a "stalker" or "creepy".

Facts:

- Dean approaches Rory at school to help her lift her books. As they start talking he reveals that while at school as an underage teenager, he noticed her before and he noticed what she was reading before. However, he did not approach her to talk immediately at that first notice.
It is rather typical for most people, especially teenagers, to need some time before they gather courage and go talk to someone attractive.

- Dean never follows her home, or anywhere, without her consent. He simply notices a pretty girl at school.

- Rory and Lane both admit calling landlines of their crushes (Dean and Dave) and hanging up on the guys. And not knowing whether the guys like them - Dean is never shown doing this, he is actually surprised about this behavior.

1. that he was "violent" to the point that Rory was "scared" of him.

Facts:

- Rory is often indeed worried that Dean will get angry - but always only in regards to jealousy of Tristan or Jess, and as she plainly says out loud to Lorelai, she expects him ONLY to break up with her, not to physically harm her (instead of breaking up, he gave her his corn)

- Rory never demonstrates any typical telltale signs of being scared of physical violence, which are typically used on screen. In real life, of course, that fear is not always visible, but on screen, we need to know what type of fear there is.
Lorelai's face,
when Richard grabs Strobe, is the closest to us seeing a woman being scared of violence on Gilmore Girls.

- Rory, however, has no problem running after a fighting Jess and Dean and yelling at them to stop. She never flinches in a way that is typical for fictional characters on screen to signal actual fear of violence.

- Dean is physically assaulted by a grown up Luke at the age of 16 (according to a yelling Lorelai) as a "punishment" for breaking up with Rory when he felt absolutely rejected by her. He is treated harshly twice by Richard for not being rich. He is addressed rudely by Ms Patty while she is addressing Rory nicely, as they both wake up at Ms Patty's place.

He is being often taunted by Tristan and Jess.
What happens on screen is Dean gradually experiencing painful events that create insecurities in every human, and the many reasons to feel insecure, unsafe, jealous just keep coming. And this never stops for him, the only way to get out is to leave Rory.

1. That he was "too needy".

Facts:

- Rory tells him that she is cancelling totally reasonable plans of being with her boyfriend on Saturday, due to extra activities regarding Harvard and promising him to have time in the evening. Then, in the evening, she again has no time and freaks out about someting that is 2 years in the future. His reaction of getting hurt by this is completely human and normal, especially for a barely 17year old.

- His reactions to Tristan and Jess always taunting him and Rory giving reasons to why she is around them are completely normal for a teenage boy. If he was in his 30s, a more calm reaction would be expected but even then, feeling upset about such situation is just human.

Here’s my go:

LORELAI: Married to Luke, works at her Inn and has two others in nearby areas. Michele runs one, a new woman named Lorelei owns the other (jokes were made, the fifth Lorelai, etc.) Paul Anka passed away and now she owns two cats named Loompa and Doompetidoo (because Rory has a cat named Oompa). She has also experimented with letting her hair go partly grey to see how she can make it style with her winter clothing (even in summer) and has cut it to her shoulders for practicality. On occasion, Lorelai teaches managing classes in Hartford with Sookie.

RORY: She lives in Hartford and is married to a man named Tommy. She had a child with Logan and named him Laurence Lee (Laurie for short, she calls him the fourth Lorelai), and although Logan is a great father he is often away chasing whatever he’s always been chasing. His family are a part of Laurie’s life but yet to interfere with inheritance, etc. since Logan is married to someone else. Rory has carved out a respected niche in the publishing world as a literary curator and special editions editor, known for overseeing beautifully produced collector’s editions of classic novels. For Lorelai’s sixtieth, she will produce a special book on the Dragonfly Inn’s history. She also previously wrote a novel on Stars Hollow which, although not a bestseller, is much loved at the Stars Hollow Bookstore and always in the display window.

EMILY: Fully retired, she spends her days in Nantucket but bought a smaller holiday house back in Hartford for when she visits. She spends her time with a group of other retired ladies in Nantucket who have become her dearest (and only) friends — an eclectic group she never would have deemed worthy of her friendship twenty years earlier. Lorelai and Luke still visit her every few months and Lorelai speaks to her on the phone every week. When she can, she helps with the Dragonfly Inn due to her connections.

LUKE: Happily living with Lorelai and still working at the diner, although he has hired a second manager so he can have more time off. (Caesar left for New Orleans to be a cook many years earlier) He often visits April in Maine with her partner (they have a spare room for him and Lorelai). Him and TJ often spend time working on fixing things unofficially around Stars Hollow.

LANE: Has moved to Middletown with Zach and the kids for Zach’s career. She teaches middle school music and plays with the band on the weekends (Kwan took over from Gil, and Brian of course moved to Middletown with Lane and Zach). Mrs. Kim lives with them (they have a big house) after Mr. Kim died.

SOOKIE: Still lives in Stars Hollow with Jackson, and is feeling lonely now that her eldest has gone to college (Yale!). She still works at the Dragonfly Inn part time, overseeing the new cook Woodrow, who has a love-hate relationship with Michele. Sookie mentors young High School students who come to the Inn when she cooks to train them. She and Jackson went on a Freshfoods Cruise for their 20th anniversary.

MICHELE: Is a manager at the Windsor’s Dragonfly Inn. He separated from his partner many years ago when his partner got cold feet about having kids. He and new chef Woodrow have a will-they-won’t-they bickering relationship going on, and nobody knows what’s going on. He adopted a child from France who he is concerned about now, because at age eight, young Louis is fascinated by North Korea, and seems to loathe Celine Dion. He also has a toy poodle named Franco who he takes to work with him and hides in the closet every day.

KIRK: He had a baby with Lulu, and named her Roberta. They bought the Wickham House. He took over Sophie’s Music Shop. It is now “Kirk and Lulu’s Magnificently Ridiculiferous Jamatorium” where they actually just sell everything and anything (the place is jam-packed, possibly a safety hazard, thus-its name).

PARIS: She is now in her third husband (the second one died during sex). She is now married to a 30-year-old stunt-man named Bryan who has helped her stay limber with exercises. They have a blended family and she teaches her step-children how to fence. She lives in New York and runs her own fertility clinic.

JESS: Onto his seventh novel. Making ends meet. Married to a woman named Heidi and has a boy and a girl, now 9 and 5, named William and Kimberley.

BABETTE: Still living next door with Maurey.

MISS. PATTY: Retired and bound to a walker, but still a big part of the community. Her dance studio is now just a community centre.

CHRISTOPHER: Who cares.

GYPSY: Early retirement, turns out she was making quite a living. Moved to a larger house just on the outskirts of Stars Hollow but still helps with community stuff. Happily single.

MITCHUM: Died of a heart attack in 2022.

SOPHIE: Retired, lives opposite Lorelai and Luke. Lorelai allows her to practice with her band in her garage whenever they are in town.

From “The Middle”

now I will always be team Dave but I can’t help but like Zack. I know he did a lot of kinda bad things such as break up the band and stuff but I just enjoyed him purely because of how he brought comic relief to the show. his lines were so funny especially in season 3 I laugh every time he sings the bulwark song. and even later he’s just a goofy guy. I don’t really take Zack and lane’s relationship too seriously because it probably was lazy writing but even so they were funny together and I think they matched each others energy quite well - lane being quite stressy and Zack being laid back. I dunno I just enjoyed watching their scenes

wondering what your fave scenes of him are

I’m on Season 4 Episode 8 right now and I have some opinions (you don’t have to agree obvi)

-When Paris shows up at Yale I nearly rolled my eyes. Her character genuinely annoys me and I was excited for Rory to explore new friendships at Yale, feels a little lazy?

-Why so much of Kirk?!!! They are forcing him on us. I think the bit he plays is funny but wayy too much screen time IMO

-As a hopeless romantic, I need more romance in the show. For me, it’s what engaged me so heavily in Season 1 and I feel like the show is lacking it at this point… Lorelai’s sudden fling with Max in season 3 felt like a bit lazy too

-They gave us so much about Christopher’s new baby with his wife and they haven’t mentioned a single thing about her since she’s been born? I feel like that dynamic would’ve been more interesting to touch on

-I can’t believe after everything Rory goes to Yale instead of Harvard!

The episode where they see each other in the square, & fight each other. It’s so funny! But what I don’t understand.. is why they didn’t end up with ANY marks, & none of the town knew about it. They know everything. Lmao. But I’m more stuck on the fact it didn’t even look like they fought! There was plenty of hits to the face. They should’ve ended up with black eyes & marks all over the place. HAHAH. I realized this & decided I just had to post about it! What are your thoughts on them fighting?

You can’t see their faces but it’s so them!

1. After crushing on Jess and not admitting it to Dean or even to herself in the Lorelai's graduation episode, she learned from this. She told Marty up front that she likes Logan, she did not give Marty false hope.

2. After assuming that the laundry room guy is spreading rumors about her, she did not assume anything about Marty's feelings. She waited for him to come out clean about his feelings for her.

3. After dropping out of Yale, she at first almost admitted to Paris that it was only because of Mitchum. Later, she went right back to Yale and only lost one semester.
   She got herself a job all by herself.

4. After lying to Lorelai to help Lane in season 1, she never did it again, they always helped Lane without secrets among each other. She called Lorelai directly in season 4, when Lane unexpectedly showed up at Yale in the middle of the night.
   Lorelai did not get angry this time, because it was not Rory's fault.

5. After experiencing what it is like owing to her grandparents for Yale, she chose to have her father to pay for it instead - she finally saw the point Lorelai made in the termites episode in season 2. However,
   even in the termites episode, when Rory could not fully relate to Lorelai's reasons, she still was willing to admit, that Lorelai was right to get angry,
   since she is the adult whose responsibility is to get the money from somewhere and so far she never has failed in providing for Rory.

Then in season 6, Rory finally learned personally what is it like ,and agreed for her father to help her out of the debt to the grandparents.

I don’t get why Lorelai lied so much to Luke and hid things. I’m talking up until he hid April from her, which was totally wrong and I dislike Luke for doing that, but up until that point she hid so many things from him, even they were not dating. She hid her relationships, her going out on dates, he lied to Jason only to not take him to the diner where Luke could see him and then when they finally started dating she hid almost every encounter she had with Cristopher, the lunch, the getting drunk with him and only told him because she was pressured by the context. I get the idea of not wanting to hurt the feelings of the other person, but at first, they were friends, so i think you need to be honest with friends and have boundaries, and then, they were in a relationship so why are you doing things that might hurt your partner’s feelings in the first place? And then not being honest and direct about them?

I know it’s a bit of a somber moment but that line always makes me laugh.

Trigger warning eating disorders. I’ve had an eating disorder since I was twelve, and watched Gilmore girls again and again since.

One thing I’ve noticed is people being no annoyed that they eat whatever they want and stay skinny. When I’m glad they did that, and before you flip out let me explain!.

Girls as young as eleven watch Gilmore girls which promotes eating when you’re hungry etc. at that age you shouldn’t have to think about that, eating a lot should be seen as a good thing when you’re young because you’re growing (not binging ofc).

Of course it’s not gonna solve an eating disorder didn’t affect mine by any means. Actors are actors it’s a show for a reason.

People trying to figure out the secret to there unhealthy diet. I think it’s simple, they eat when there hungry stop when there full. And if they do overeat it’s once every two weeks. Like the thanksgiving episode is not everyday.

Also! Drinking coffee and walking a lot.

I know this is just some dumb rant but I just felt the need to share my opinion.

Thanks.

Just watched this scene and couldn't stop giggling 😂 best Luke line for me

I love reading fan theories about what happened after AYITL and Rory's her final reveal. I see a lot of theories about where the characters would end up and how'd their relationships with each other would evolve, but I haven't seen much guessing at how Rory would be as a mother.

AYITL sees her focused on her career and writing, which isn't a surprise. Her love life is more of a wreck than it's ever been, though, and not really worth mentioning (for me, anyway, who has no sympathy or patience for her relationship decisions in AYITL :$). So in the revival season, her only notable storyline (to me) was her career. And I was happy to see her prioritize it, it made sense to me because Rory's always been hyper focused on academics, but now that she's beyond school, hyper focusing on work is natural and in-character. Love to see it.

This might make me a bad person/fan, but I honestly can't picture Rory as a mother. Not just because her life hasn't yet begun to settle (we have no idea what a book deal might mean for her in regards to making her life more stable or more chaotic, and that's after going through the ordeal of getting a book deal in the first place), but also because she's never thought of having kids as far as we see and when we do see her around kids, including her own half-sister, she doesn't quite seem to know what to do with them.

I don't actually think any of that means Rory would make a terrible mother, just that it makes harder for me to picture just what kind of mother we're talking about here.

Would she have an arc of figuring out how to balance her newfound career as a book author with her newfound responsibility as a mother? Or would she prioritize work and lean on the father (we all agree it's Logan, right? :P), his support system, and Luke and Lorelei to mostly raise the baby? In that case, would Luke and Lorelei officially shelf the idea of having more of their own kids and be happy with grandkids? Would this move make Rory somewhat similar to Christopher?

Do you think Rory would be stricter, maybe even kinda like Emily? Maybe not realizing how hard it is to parent and letting self-inflicted pressure to be the perfect parent with the perfect kid get the better of her? Or would she want to be just like her mom and awkwardly attempt to be the cool mom (love the image for this one lol)?

And what about Logan? Do you think Rory would tell him, or keep it a secret until he found out some other way - potentially after marrying Odette, complicating things still further? After he found out, I definitely think Logan would wanna be involved. When he found out, even if freshly married to Odette, I think he - or Odette herself - would break up the relationship, freeing Logan to... what? Dedicate himself to fatherhood or go a step further and try to make it work with Rory? Would she even go for that? I think she would, she's pining for Logan throughout AYITL. But would it be as simple as that? And if so, what would their life even look like? It's not like Logan and Rory are without their issues, and Logan's family never came around to accepting her.

It's easier for me to picture Logan as a father only because I feel like Logan's pretty much figured out who he is. I don't even think he'd be the best father - he has resources, but that doesn't mean he's particularly good at using them to properly support, teach, and bond with a child. I see him having a very long, very hard won journey of discovering how to be a better father than the one he had without overcorrecting by being the kind of dad who just kinda let's their kids do whatever and doesn't quite grow up himself. And it'd be interesting to see him be more involved in Rory's world - we normally see her in his world, where they both like to be. But with a child involved and potentially Luke and Lorelei doing a lot of childcare, Logan would be in Star's Hollow more - wonder how the locals would adapt to him and vice versa lol Hopefully not like Christopher...

But for Rory, she hasn't figured out quite who she is yet. She's been floundering for at least a year (in AYITL, she specifically says that the past year has been rough). I think it's safe to assume she's been trying and failing for longer than that. Lorelei seems to have a midlife crises in AYITL, but Rory feels like she's having a full-blown identity crises, to me anyway. And maybe it's because she's always been praised as special and expected to outperform everyone. Now that she's not doing so - and hasn't for a while - who is she really?

As someone who's still struggling to figure out not only her future but who she really is as a person and writer, what kind of mom do you think Rory will be?

(Sorry for the rant, I always say more than I intend do in this sub lol)

I’m on the episode in season four where Lane and the guys meet Gil for the first time, and they’re talking about how old he, and one thing that always makes me be like so were we, was when Brian says “he was alive before CD’s,” like Brian you’re a millennial, like me. We were alive before CDs lol

Edit: CD’s were released in the US in 1983, so I guess I’ve been proven wrong lol. If they were all born in 84’ or 85’ then they wouldn’t be alive when they were released lol

Love the show (definite top 10-15 contender), and I do like Brian, but I gotta say, as a bassist, he is downright awful at pretending to play the bass. From what I understand, Keiko was playing for real, as well as Zach, and Sebastian did ok with his miming, but Brian’s actor could’ve taken a lesson or two.

That’s it for my nitpicking, have a good one y’all. Copper boom.

we missed seeing the homemade twinkies earlier in the episode

I've always thought that if AYITL 2 ever happened, ASP would lean heavily into the idea that the Gilmore women keep repeating the same cycles like she did in the OS?

For starters, I feel like Rory and Logan's baby would almost definitely be a girl named Lorelai. It just feels like the most predictable full-circle move imaginable. Rory would suddenly be dealing with a lot of the same issues Lorelai faced as a young mother, except from the other side.

I could also see Rory and Lorelai butting heads over how to raise Lorelai IV. Lorelai would be convinced she knows what's best because she raised Rory on her own, while Rory would get frustrated at constantly being compared to her mom and feeling like everyone expects her to parent the exact same way.

I also think Logan would get pushed further into the Christopher role while Jess becomes the guy who's always there to help out like Luke. It feels like the revival was already setting that up.

And because it's Gilmore Girls, Luke and Lorelai would somehow discover another major thing they've never discussed despite being together for what feels like half their lives.

What Gilmore Girls pattern do you think AYITL 2 would be most likely to repeat?