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Episode Marriagetoxin - Episode 5 discussion

Marriagetoxin, episode 5

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u/Thomas_JCG 27d ago

Oh, so he could just have Frieren vs Aura that girl. Gero, just take out this try hard, his power is ridiculously busted for you to be running around. All the masters so far have pretty clear limitations but he is not playing by the same rules. What the hell does sound have to do with mental trauma? I could buy the mental control as power of suggestion and hypnosis, but he is not doing any of that, he is somehow amplifying thoughts, it doesn't make any sense. And how does his sound even reach miles away, even after Gero busted his network of wires? And what kind of sound technique is "make a violin in two seconds"? That's on par with Gero after he uses his ability.

And yes, I realize this series is fiction, but suspension of disbelief is a thing and Naruko takes everything way too far.

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u/KalebT44 26d ago

The sound technique is that he vibrated his hand fast enough to cut wood.

The violin is just his own extraordinary physical abilities as an Assassin. You have no problem with sound being used as a power of suggestion but when that power of suggestion is amplyifying negative thoughts you suddenly do?

It's doing what you said you could buy.

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u/Thomas_JCG 26d ago

Still bullshit because vibrating yourself isn't directly tied to sound. Sound is a result of vibration, not the inverse. Physical abilities also have a limit, else Gero wouldn't have to poison himself to fight mobs.

Thoughts have nothing to do with sound, the difference is pretty clear. How do you amplify something that makes no sound? What he could possibly be using to do so? Gero can't kill people by amplifying the alcohol people drink, Water Master can't remove the water from people's body. So there is no logic for Sound Master to affect someone without using a tool or something that actually produces sound.

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u/KalebT44 26d ago

Half your issues seem to be you don't grasp 2 things.

It's an anime about a guy who poisons himself to get inhumanely strong, he just fought a waterbender, and obviously the sound guy is going to be just as absurd.

And the second is that sound and vibration are intrinsically linked, and all your complaints make zero sense when you remember that.

As for the 'thoughts' again, you have no problem assuming a Sound Master could use suggestion, but when that suggestion manifests in negative thoughts when he is shown quite clearly to be trying to make people kill themselves and use literal 'cutting words' you have a problem.

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u/Thomas_JCG 26d ago

Your issue is that you do not understand what suspension of disbelief is. I can accept the whole bloodline thing because that's what the narrative is about. However, Naruko breaks that logic.

"The water master controls water" makes sense even if is nonsense. It is only logical for the water character to use water, arguing against it is just as ridiculous. "The sound master amplifies negative thoughts and cause hallucinations" is not logical, there is a fundamental gap between "sound" and "thoughts", that is why I said it would make sense if he was using a sound frequency to make people suggestive. But that is not the case. The uncle had a one second doubt and somehow he could overwrite his entire mind. How? It just doesn't track, and thus the disbelief sets in.

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u/KalebT44 26d ago

You do understand every time you are talking about it you are completely removing the part where he is using sound and a state of suggestion to control the other person, and then just saying he controls thoughts, right?

Like you are specifically ignoring the part that you said you could buy, to complain that you cannot buy it. The thoughts are relevant because that is clearly adding in the susceptibility to his suggestion. The uncle thought for a second she could go, he mind controlled him, Shiori struggles with self doubt and self worth so she was susceptible to his control and suggestive whispers until she broke out of it.

You are literally just flying over the part that explains what you want and just pretending it doesn't exist to complain.

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u/Thomas_JCG 26d ago

You are the one that is ignoring the fact that he is not using suggestion, he doesn't say anything to the person he is controlling. They specifically say he amplifies negative thoughts. For the uncle, he thought for a second about getting rid of the niece, and that was enough for the sound master to completely override his mind. How does he even knew that the uncle would have that minute of dark thoughts? How does he amplify only negative thoughts? How does sound create a golem?

The fact that these questions pop up but we didn't ask the same about Gero and Water Master is exactly the issue. If you don't understand that, then there is nothing else to talk about.

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u/KalebT44 26d ago

He's a sound master, he is using sound to manipulate them. Again, the thing you said you could buy without any problem.

The Uncle had the thought, so he was susceptible. The kids are panicking about the legend of Chaldri or however it was spelled, so they're susceptible to trying to sacrifice one of them. Shiori is filled with self doubt and low esteem so she was susceptible to nearly killing herself. etc etc etc.

At least you finally asked about the Golem, which is what you should be complaining about. But also Sound, vibration, binding things together, it's well enough within the realm of possibility. Just like how the patterns on the masks and eyes are actual patterns you get when you have sand vibrating to certain frequencies.

You should be asking the same about Gero and the Water Master, but you aren't. There's no reason any of this is more or less believable than someone generating and controlling water. The only reason you think that is because that is a more common ability. It is still equally as absurd.