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Episode Isekai Mokushiroku Mynoghra: Hametsu no Bunmei de Hajimeru Sekai Seifuku • Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra: World Conquest Starts with the Civilization of Ruin - Episode 6 discussion

Isekai Mokushiroku Mynoghra: Hametsu no Bunmei de Hajimeru Sekai Seifuku, episode 6

Alternative names: Isekai Mokushiroku Mynoghra ~Hametsu no Bunmei de Hajimeru Sekai Seifuku~

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u/EnderHorizon Aug 10 '25

Nice insight into Takuto's worldview: being evil is not about only doing evil things, but doing whatever you want!

Also, for anyone skipping the ending, there's a C part in this episode.

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Aug 10 '25

being evil is not about only doing evil things, but doing whatever you want!

Evil-aligned D&D player: You're telling me I don't HAVE to kill every single peasant I come across?

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u/Toloran Aug 10 '25

That's something I've been drilling to my players for nearly 20 years now:

Good vs Evil is really Altruism vs Selfishness. Good characters can do traditionally "evil" things if its to help others. Evil characters can do traditionally "good" things if it benefits themselves (even if that benefit is just the warm fuzzy feeling).

Lawful vs Chaotic is consistency vs inconsistency. In any given situation, assuming all other considerations are the same, a lawful character will do the same thing. A chaotic character will not.

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Aug 10 '25

I was never quite sure about that stuff, but isn't 'Chaotic' usually what allows the Good character to do the 'traditionally evil thing' to help others?

Say you assassinate a slave owner in their sleep, you're doing it for good (free the slaves) but you're doing something inherently evil (murdering someone in their sleep), so that I thought that was 'chaotic good', while a 'lawful good' person would refrain from doing that even to save the slaves, so he would try to bring the slave owner to justice, or - if the justice supports that - try to change the entire judicial system, etc..!

(Maybe he could offer him a proper duel, that's not too evil!)

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u/ukezi Aug 10 '25

In Dungeons & Dragons, Chaotic Good describes a character who is inherently good-hearted and acts according to their own moral compass, often disregarding rules and traditions in the process. These characters believe in personal freedom and are driven by a desire to help others, even if it means breaking the law or defying authority.

It's not really the act that is good or evil, it's the intentions.

The Lawful - Chaotic axis is more about if you care about the rules and expectations of society. Note that is this context a plundering barbarian would be lawful, he is doing what his society expects from him. He will probably have some code about duels and such.

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u/Toloran Aug 10 '25

Note: It's not necessarily societies code to be lawful, but a code.

Batman is generally agreed to be Lawful because he has a strict code he follows, even though he's explicitly breaking the law and social norms.

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u/Standing_Legweak Aug 11 '25

Following that line of thinking 🤔 does that mean Gilgamesh is Lawfully Good cause he is the rules. RULE BREAKER!

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u/Ralathar44 Aug 11 '25

Gilgamesh does follow his own code. Even though alot of that code is because of his own pride. And ultimately its his code that causes him to lose to Archer.

His slight hesistation to use Ea (which I know is technically not canon to the VN but fits Gligamesh so perfectly its canon to me) cost him that fight. Because using Ea would be him breaking his own rules, his own pride.

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u/TheBrownestStain Aug 11 '25

Case in point, in Pathfinder 2e, before they ditched the alignment system the Chaotic Good Champion subclass was the Liberator, whose flavor text is all about freeing the oppressed from tyrannical systems, and there are multiple Chaotic Good deities with similar codes of conduct (Cayden Cailean my beloved)

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u/Earlier-Today Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25

Robinhood and Freakazoid are both good examples of chaotic good.

Though, in Robinhood's case, he went that direction because the country was in the clutches of someone who was lawful evil.

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u/ToujouSora Aug 11 '25

alot of people don't realize that , some people got to dip their hands in evil for good.
instead of doing it all the way though good.

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u/redlaWw Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25

Hard disagree. Good vs. Evil is whether your philosophy tends to push you towards actions that count as cosmically good or evil, lawful vs. chaotic is whether these actions come about according to a code or in-the-moment decisions.

A general who does bad things for the good of his people is lawful/true neutral. A priest who follows the tenets of his evil god is lawful evil. Someone who does mostly good things because it gives them a warm, fuzzy feeling is chaotic good. Someone who does a mix of good and bad things because they like the warm, fuzzy feeling but also fulfilling their own interests is chaotic neutral.

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u/No-Squash-1299 Aug 11 '25

Glad it wasn't just me that thought the MC was more chaotic neutral. 

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u/MonaganX Aug 10 '25

If I selflessly sacrifice myself to free an evil deity I worship from its cosmic prison whereupon it will kill everyone, does that make me a good person? The "good/evil as altruism/selfishness" axis only works as long as everyone on it operates under the same philosophical and moral framework.
It's not that easy to neatly separate morality into a binary choice, and this show has now attempted to rectify that dilemma by essentially redefining "evil" as radical individualism that simply has an 'evil' aesthetic.

Also, lawful vs chaotic is dogmatism vs flexibility more so than consistency vs inconsistency. Chaotic isn't random. Given the exact same circumstances a chaotic character is still going to make the same choice every time.

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u/codingpasta Aug 11 '25

If I selflessly sacrifice myself to free an evil deity I worship from its cosmic prison whereupon it will kill everyone, does that make me a good person?

imho that wouldn't be for the greater good / concerned with the needs of others, and that wouldn't be selfless when viewed from the lens of the people said evil deity has killed. It would be considered selfless from the point of the evil deity, and in that same vein you can convince yourself that you are 'selfless' from that point of view because you are freeing an entity from prison.

'From a certain point of view' applies.

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u/CelticMutt Aug 11 '25

Coincedentally, 20 years ago would be right around the time Eberron came out, the first D&D setting to explicitly explain evil that way. I remember a lot of people at the time having a really hard time grasping why evil NPCs (especially in governments) in Eberron were evil without going around murdering and backstabbing people, and refusing to accept the explanation.

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u/ToujouSora Aug 11 '25

Evil : you doing it to benefit u and ur plans
Good : you do it because of it and that's it

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u/SoylentVerdigris Aug 10 '25

Anyone who wants to play an evil character should play Pathfinder WotR first and just take notes any time Regill is on screen. Best written evil character in a good or neutral party I've ever seen.

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u/MakoShark93 Aug 12 '25

Then what is Chaotic Neutral?

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u/Vystril Aug 11 '25

Lawful vs Chaotic is consistency vs inconsistency.

Totally disagree on this one. Lawful characters follow the rules/laws, chaotic characters don't. A chaotic good character will break the laws for a good outcome, while a lawful character would not.

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u/Hina_is_my_waifu Aug 11 '25

The best path is to help that person to complete the quest and get the reward, THEN murderhobo them to steal the rest of thier valuables.

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u/ToujouSora Aug 11 '25

it means for example Runescape: i can kill the so called "Good " god

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u/ToujouSora Aug 11 '25

in runescape i would always confuse the npcs
"Questline" by helping the so called "Evil" at times and "good " at times.

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u/JoelMahon https://anilist.co/user/Shefeto Aug 11 '25

what's the difference between evil and neutral then?

imo in a DnD context a good person wants to do good things, an evil person wants to do evil things, and a neutral person doesn't particularly prefer good or evil things.

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Aug 11 '25

I'm not sure to be honest, but I think it may be the difference may be in 'intensity', or the gravity of the things you do... Say, the difference between 'robbing a merchant cart you come across that seems to have lots of gold', and 'going from house to house to murder peasants in case one of them has some coin'.

But yeah, putting the definition of 'evil' like that, makes it someone close to Neutral.

tagging a DM! /u/toloran

From their definition in another comment, good is about doing things that benefit others, and evil is doing things (good or bad) to benefit yourself...

Is neutral just doing a bit of both?

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u/JoelMahon https://anilist.co/user/Shefeto Aug 11 '25

to me evil is malice/sadism, not just doing things that hurt other people, but actually considering the harm those things do as an upside/benefit of the action.

neutral would be like being indifferent.

and a vast majority of people would be a bit above neutral, towards good but not good.

and everyone does what they want, good, neutral, or evil that doesn't change imo.

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u/absentmindedjwc Aug 10 '25

False. Evil alignment means you're a murder hobo.

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u/ToujouSora Aug 11 '25

THATS PROPAGANDA FOR U. U BELIEVE WHATEVE B.S THE GOVERMENT AND CHURCH MADE UP. U NEVER ASK THE SIDE OF EVIL OF HOW WE SAW IT