r/Southport • u/AcrobaticDatabase • 28d ago
Tactical Voting
Hello - not interested in any political debates etc, but I’m just trying to understand who the tactical vote would be to stop reform taking control? I’m new to the area and I’m hearing different things from different people…
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u/OhOhComeTakeMyHand 28d ago
https://britain.votes.now/local-elections/may-26/sefton-election
In pretty much every ward bar Norwood, it'll be the Lib Dems.
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 28d ago
This is very helpful, thank you!
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u/RagingMassif 28d ago
Not true, in Dukes and Cambridge it would be Cons.
Meols, Kew, Ainsdale, Birkdale it's LibDems as you say.
Poll predictor has Norwood as Green. Can't say I see that happening.
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u/Fightingdragonswithu 27d ago
Lib Dems beat the Tories in Cambridge last time, and Lib Dems have a decent shot in Dukes
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u/RagingMassif 27d ago
In the last two council elections, Leo and Mike won. Mike was in tears of joy, he'd clearly worked hard! But they won with 35% or so if the vote.
But not the 2024 election, where IIRC ward voters voted majority blue. Certainly across Southport they only got 13% of the vote.
This election with disaffected Labour, LibDem could well be the protest vote for Labour supporters and Reform the protest vote for scared tories, or not! Tomorrow will be interesting.
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u/theworldsaplayground 28d ago
Lib dem is a wasted vote. Vote reform.
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u/RagingMassif 28d ago
I don't think they want to, reading between the lines.
My experience of Reform is they can't get about 20%. So all they do in Southport is get us a Labour MP instead of a Tory one.
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u/TheSpiritOfShaz 28d ago
Well that one changes things for me! Anybody reading this please disregard my previous comment 😂
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u/the_earl_o_wibbleton 28d ago
Dukes wants conservative again??? Bloody hell, I can't wait to move away from this place.
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u/josephr3108 27d ago
I think the greens will take norwood.
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u/RagingMassif 27d ago
That's the prediction but I will be surprised. We should know in a few hours.
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u/ZeroGreyFox 27d ago
Tactical voting is part of the problem. Don’t bother unless you’re going to do it properly.
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u/CheifJaneiro 25d ago
What are you talking about. The voting system is part of the problem and tactical voting is a symptom
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u/ZeroGreyFox 25d ago
Because you’re supposed to vote for a party, not against one. Read their policies and who the candidate is (especially for a local election) and vote accordingly.
I know it’s cliché, but people fought for your right to vote. Using it to channel your hate for someone is just disgusting.
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u/CheifJaneiro 25d ago
In an ideal world you’re completely right, a proportional voting system would allow for exactly this. Until then I’ll be voting for whoever has the best chance of beating tories/reform in the area
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u/mcwaff 27d ago
These are all projections not polls taken in Sefton. If I could be sure I was blocking Reform I’d do it, but the rise of the Greens and shrinking of LibDems/Labour means uncertainty is high. Anyway, I’m just going to vote for whoever I like most, which feels good. Just annoying that first past the post isn’t fit for purpose.
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u/TheSpiritOfShaz 28d ago
I've also been trying to find this out. There's a website called tactical vote which you could try, although it didn't have any advice for my ward unfortunately. I'm basing my vote off my search on electoral calculus, which predicts what the results would likely be if there was a general election held tomorrow. Not perfect I know but the best I can find. If anybody has any other recommendations I'd be glad to hear them! I had a look at a few wards within Southport and depending on where you are the tactical vote seems to be either labour or torie. Hope that makes sense and is potentially useful!
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 28d ago
Yeah I’d usually look at those sites but mine had no advice for my ward either. The polling seems to indicate Lib Dem is the tactical vote in my area but I can only find one poll 🫠
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u/TheSpiritOfShaz 28d ago
Ooh where did you get that result from? I'd be interested to see what it comes up with for me
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 28d ago edited 28d ago
Pollcheck(dot)co.uk
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u/ShriCamel 28d ago
Are you sure about that domain name? Just checked it, and that domain is for sale...
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u/nowonmai666 27d ago edited 27d ago
Tacticalvote.co.uk is saying vote Labour to stop reform in Duke’s - seems like quite different advice from all the other sites.
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u/RagingMassif 27d ago
That's because TacVote is a Labour Green shill and doesn't recommend any thing to the right. Reality is Tory in Dukes stops Reform, like it or not.
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u/RagingMassif 27d ago
Tac Vote I believe only picks between Green, Lib and Labour. In wards where you might need to vote Tory to stop Reform, it's not useful. Or am I mistaken?
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u/markl7827 27d ago
The problem with alot of the tactical vote sites is that they go off national polling and plug them into local voting trends from the past and don't take the local personalities into account. For example, Birkdale they have Lib Dems but their Labour councillors have been excellent for the ward, so I can see at least 2 of them keeping their seats.
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u/Melodic_Ad2242 26d ago
Your one vote will make no difference
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u/babyqueeff 3d ago
🤣then what’s the point of anyone ever voting mate
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u/Melodic_Ad2242 2d ago
For change from this political nightmare. Tactical voting to stop who you don’t want in versus voting for who you don’t want in is pure idiocy.
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u/mintymiles 26d ago
Tactical voting, voting for the lesser of two evils, is what got this country into this mess.
Vote for people you believe in. Don't vote for people you don't believe in. Let the chips fall where they may.
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 26d ago
I don’t believe in any of them. I actively disagree with some of them. I will use my vote in my own best interest, and if that means voting tactically it is my right to do so
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u/Huffyseventytwo 28d ago
green for me,only leader to stand up and show faridge as he is rich city boy with trump ideals
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u/foalsfoalsfoalz 27d ago
Britain is already laughed at and a shadow of what it once was on the global stage... Don't need to regress it any further with polanski.
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u/ric_mcc1766 27d ago
Which current party leader do you think would make people laugh less at Britain?
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u/foalsfoalsfoalz 27d ago
The obvious two rebellious ones. Perhaps not the one happy to strip britain of it's culture year by year and happy to be walked over by everyone.
Do you think people laugh at poland, or hungary, or denmark or china, or japan of current? Absolutely not.
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u/ric_mcc1766 27d ago
Are the 'two rebellious' leaders the two privately educated boys who went on to be bankers before becoming career politicians?
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u/foalsfoalsfoalz 27d ago
Deflection of the point just for a personal attack. If they were bricklayers it'd still be irrelevant. Are they more likely to have Britain respected on a global stage more than greens or the current conservatives, or not? We all know the answer.
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u/ric_mcc1766 27d ago
Funny thing is, I just said how they were educated and their jobs...
TBH, I think we'd be laughed at if Reform, Restore or the Greens were in government.
Worth saying that for these local elections today, it's more about who you think would be the best at running things like social and child care in your area, and looking after your bins and parks etc, rather than who would laugh at whom being the PM.
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u/foalsfoalsfoalz 27d ago
Our area has been neglected under multiple governments and by Merseyside ever since they inherited it, the government won’t change that. None of them are pledging a reduction in council tax or a surge of money into Southport particularly so I couldn’t care what London is going to be on the receiving end of😂 what is for sure is the difference in who could potentially be in Southport & who’s more likely to flood Southport with net negatives & people who don’t respect the place… and it’s not restore at least. Hard enough for people to get houses/rental properties round here as it is
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u/ric_mcc1766 27d ago
Your local councillors don't have any say on who moves to Southport.
Todays' vote is more about who you trust to take away your bins, provide social care and child services, and look after your local parks and amentities.
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u/foalsfoalsfoalz 27d ago
Your initial response back to me was about party leader, not local councillor.. So clearly I’m referencing the bigger picture & the parties.
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u/DrToonhattan 28d ago
From what I understand, the Lib Dems have a pretty good chance of winning in Cambridge ward, but I think it's going to be close.
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u/PippaLeigh1020 28d ago
Don’t say anything against Reform because that gets you a warning from Reddit
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u/rokstedy83 28d ago
Balls does it ,reddits so left wing it's ridiculous,go on the reform sub it's just full of green voters ,gna be funny when reform win the next ge lol
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u/PippaLeigh1020 27d ago
So I imagined the warning I got from the automated u/reddit bots then? Thanks for clarifying.
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u/rokstedy83 27d ago
Mate there's literally a sub called fuck Nigel farage
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u/DeezWuts 27d ago
Theres a bunch of fuck X for everyone to whine about someone or something they don't like, does the sub fuck polanksi make reddit right wing? XD
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u/rokstedy83 27d ago
If you think Reddit is right wing then you're a moron
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u/DeezWuts 27d ago
If you think a sub existing on reddit proves it has a political leaning you're a moron.
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u/rich2083 27d ago
Vote restore
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
I’m not a racist pal 👍
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u/rich2083 27d ago
Neither am I. My family is mixed race.
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u/Smooth-Quantity-7024 27d ago
"I'm not racist, my best friend is black"
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u/rich2083 27d ago
I’m Chinese my partner is white and we both care about immigration. Kicking illegals out or immigrants that can’t support themselves shouldn’t be an issue. My family came legally, followed the rules, integrated and contribute to the economy. Why should we support people who do the opposite? We came here for the way of life. Which in the 20 odd years I’ve been here has been slowly eroding away.
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u/Smooth-Quantity-7024 27d ago
It's cute you think they'll care about you being here legally
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u/DeezWuts 27d ago
This.
Actual racists voting for whichever party aligns with them won't care if your family came here 5 years or 50 years ago and whether you integrated or not, they'll say they won and tell you to go back where you came from
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u/Smooth-Quantity-7024 27d ago
Exactly. You know how racists stop and take the time to ask a brown person their immigration status and their religious beliefs before subjecting them to abuse? Me neither.
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u/DeezWuts 27d ago
Yep. I have to explain this shit to way too many people, even family, which is weird since they're all more mixed race than me despite them all turning out white and me looking like my great grandad and being the only brown person in the family.
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u/rich2083 27d ago
Tbh it’s worth the risk. Worst comes to worst I’ll just move my family to china. I can work from anywhere.
We’re already considering making the move at some stage anyway. I’ve spent a fair amount of time in shenzhen recently and it’s miles ahead of the UK.
It’s weird that the country I left has now become more attractive than the country I moved to
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u/DeezWuts 27d ago
Worth the risk of increasing hate crimes against your own family because you can flee to another country? Wow you are genuinely a piece of work.
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u/rich2083 27d ago
Not just another country, my country of birth, just like every other migrant if things went tits up.
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u/Smooth-Quantity-7024 27d ago
It's worth the risk of your family's welfare and livelihood to get a few illegal immigrants deported? You're deeply unwell, man. This is the exact definition of "I'm protesting the cost of my council tax by setting my house on fire".
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
Don't try and justify yourself to them, there is absolutely no reasoning with them. They do not know how to have a civilised debate, they only know how to heckle and bully whilst saying that's the exact thing they're against. The fact they can't see their own hypocrisy is crazy, the country will be a complete mess because of these sheep
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u/warpedmonkey420 27d ago
"If i cant win you cant win either" voting against your own interests out of spite isnt tactical, its stupid. Real Democracy is voting for what you want and seeing where you stand amongst your peers, you people want to win or you want to make it insufferable for everyone if you lose, you would rather see the world burn than live in a society you didn't vote for....? It shows cowardice and it will be your undoing. You're cheating with extra steps, it's stealing elections and you people are traitors.
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
I’m voting for what I want, which is anyone but reform? What’s the problem
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u/warpedmonkey420 27d ago
Youre an idiot, I think that's the most glaring thing, You'd be voting for what you dont want not what you do want, that means parties dont have to promise you anything they dont have to be held to any account they just have to say "we're not those guys" you dont see the problem here?
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
Yeah exactly mate - reform are actively destroying the councils they’ve won in, I know all the other parties will at least keep the lights on lmao
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
Absolutely ridiculous. you're voting a party that you don't fully believe in because you don't want a party you're totally against being the majority. Embarrassing
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
Have you heard of the concept of “lesser of two evils”? Lib Dem’s are useless but reform are actively dangerous lmao
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
Reform dangerous? The only danger I see at the moment is from extreme left ideology! You probably thought the police used excessive force toward the Golders Green stabber. It's the likes of you that are dangerous to this country. You need to educate yourself rather than being a virtue singling lemming!
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
They’ve actively run other councils into the ground so I would call that dangerous yes.
Glad you brought up anti semitism, considering a Sefton reform candidate called the holocaust a hoax lmao
But yes, I’m the one that needs to be educated here
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
So an idiotic comment is worse than stabbing innocent people? Great argument. Hey why don't you spill on who you really support or are you just a "tactical voter?"
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
Can you decide if you think anti semitism is bad or not? It's hard to argue with you when your opinion is flip flopping all over the place.
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
Antisemitism is one full word, not 2 separate, and it is completely bad. So I ask you again who do you really support? Or are you just a "tactical voter" with no true political choice?
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
So you support a party with openly racist candidates then? (The England flag in your profile picture kinda gave that one away but glad we established that). I’ve voted labour my entire life, not that it matters 🤣
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
And you openly support a party with known paedophiles at the tip of it. Or is it a case of "One bad egg doesn't mean the whole crate is bad" whenever it suits you? Throw the racist comment at me all you want, it's completely lost it's meaning it's so overused. Nothing up with an England flag, same as the French flag, Spanish, Nigerian, Chinese, you get my drift?
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u/AcrobaticDatabase 27d ago
It’s almost like I’m not going to vote for labour at the next GE, and didn’t vote for them today? Incredible ain’t it.
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u/No-Bandicoot-1524 27d ago
Wasn't going to vote today, but will now go and vote for Reform to balance this out 👍
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u/ric_mcc1766 27d ago
Bit weird
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u/TruthExposer1973 27d ago
No more weird than someone tactically voting is it Ric boy👍
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u/ric_mcc1766 27d ago
Tactical voting is pretty common. Choosing to vote only because a stranger online said they would vote is a bit odd.
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u/No-Bandicoot-1524 27d ago
No, what's weird is if this was someone voting greens you would have said fuck all
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u/mighty3mperor 28d ago
A different poll predictor:
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026#/sefton
I suspect, it's going to be a hard results night in Duke's and Formby West but there is still some hope in Norwood and Maghull East. 🤞