r/LilliaMains • u/Moein7419 • 1d ago
Help Am I using conqueror wrong?
Everytime I look up to my runes damage my conqueror is 150 or 200 healing, I know that it gives adaptive force but in a 40 min game and only 200 healing it feels useless, I try to aa as much as possible as well
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u/A_Nice_Boulder 1d ago
Unlike some traditional conqueror users like aatrox, riven, etc, she does not immediately proc it within a single 1-2s rotation. In many fights you won't be hitting enough to fully stack it. You can help it along by ensuring that you auto attack when able, but imo she is locked into conqueror less because it is a good augment on her and more so because everything else is worse and she does like the rune tree as a whole.
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u/Emergency-Dog7669 1d ago
I haven’t played Lillia consistently in ages but is deathfire touch not viable on her? It seems like it would be perfect for her?
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u/A_Nice_Boulder 23h ago
It's horrible on her. Because all of her abilities are aoe, she can't actually proc it efficiently. Unless you hit two abilities within 3s, you never actually get it to the point of it doing damage, and unless the priorities have been changed her passive burn doesn't refresh the burn since her passive is also 3s.
It's unfortunate because of how much everybody hoped this would finally give her an alternative rune, but it didn't. If she had .000001s longer on her passive burn, it would be viable, perhaps not meta, but at least offer an alternative to conq.
Instead, we have champions like Smolder gaining like 7% winrate with the addition of the rune, Brand and Rumble feasting with the rune because their burns are longer, etc. Very disappointing.
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u/plmko281 22h ago
You can't forget about Singed. I've had games with him where DFT has done 6k damage.
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u/ProcessGlass9467 1d ago
ye conq doesn't really work on lillia, even adaptive force not that good because she doesn't scale that good. it is mostly picked because of the sub runes
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u/ProcessGlass9467 1d ago
if dft or dh had better sub runes they would be way better than conq
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u/A_Nice_Boulder 18h ago
I'm considered giving the new speed rune a try. You won't proc it against tanks, but it shouldn't be too hard into squishies which is the one you really want the additional burst of speed.
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u/kindredisthicc 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah it's a you issue, and it gives you ap idk what it has to do with aaing aside from helping stacking it fast but you would aa just as much without it to max DMG output.
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u/Low-Ice-4505 1d ago
Translation: if you auto attack in between spells, you will stack it MUCH faster, which will help you reach 12 stacks faster. You don't gain any healing until you have 12 stacks, and each spell and auto attack gives 2. Q - AA (auto attack) - E - AA - Q - AA is an example of a combo that fully stacks it, meaning you will start healing AFTER that combo. User here is also saying conqueror doesn't really help with damage output on your auto attacks, but you do have to USD them to stack faster.
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u/Du6y 1d ago
conq is not a healing rune, is a dmg rune that sadly only has a healing counter, riot endstep has explained that very little of the power budget of the rune is on the healing