r/HistoryMemes Descendant of Genghis Khan 5d ago

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u/Lucina18 Researching [REDACTED] square 5d ago

And a functioning oligarchy that isn’t blowing itself apart in civil conflict.

A oligarchy that got pressured to reform by moderates before civil conflict could come about, atleast. It wasn't their own competence.

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u/Medeza123 5d ago edited 5d ago

Err if you see what happened in France or Russia I would say it was much more competently managed.

Or one could see what happened in the revolutions of 1848 in Europe for example.

The English had blown themselves up in the English civil war in the 1640s and had settled on a relatively stable form of government for Europe by 1688.

Most European elites dug their heels in much harder.

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u/StableSlight9168 5d ago

England was more stable but I would point out in 1848 England was creating the worst famine in 19th century Europe out of malice, greed and incompetence.

Again the UK got more of there own citizens killed than any other European power till WW1. 

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u/Medeza123 5d ago

Fair point on Ireland.

I would argue though unfortunately much of that was purposeful. And despicable.

I view Ireland as a colony for various reasons and not UK proper.

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u/StableSlight9168 5d ago

I agree with Ireland being a colony. I only point out that legally Ireland was a part of the UK and were legally citizens of the UK not subjects so.the famine is even more horrific.

Whiles in India you had a layer of distance in Ireland the British had to look MPs in the eye, look at Irish soldiers which were 30% of the army and 40% of the navy, people who I see the law were legal citizens with full rights and say "it's better for me if you starve."

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u/Medeza123 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yh that’s what they did.

I get what you’re saying but my argument wasn’t that Britains government was morally good but that compared to the continent it was relatively stable.

And more competent as well. In some ways this meant it was also more competent at evil to those it considered out groups. Any technicalities aside the Catholic Irish were never treated as properly belonging to the state.

For the people in the Britain or the Protestants in Ireland though I think it was a better than mainland Europe.