r/Bokoen1 • u/RichardTheApe • 13d ago
Truth Nuke!!! High Key Ban Stupid
Way worse stuff has been said on stream than what Bo said. It was clearly not a serious comment anymore than other shitposts said on the channel.
Am I stupid?
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u/LemonCAsh 13d ago
Twitch’s ban system has never been fair, equal, or consistent. Else, Hasan, Asmongold, Morgpie would have been permanently banned ages ago.
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u/RichardTheApe 13d ago
Fair enough it’s just strange to me that when we use Bo’s channel as a baseline it’s tough to see Bo really was punished kinda randomly.
There are worse content creators - it sucks when it denies the pattern the creator understood.
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u/yashatheman 12d ago
He absolutely deserved the ban though, but yeah, a half year ban AT MOST. Not permanent, wtf.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
How is this content any different from the average stream where swimmy is joking about ethnically enslaving minorities?
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u/yashatheman 12d ago
Because bokoen1 was serious
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
If you heard that clip and thought it was a serious commentary about history and what should have been you are a brainlet. It’s so clearly hyperbole.
Additionally there’s this myth retroactively applied to it that he “went in depth about killing civilians”
He made one edgy comment about nuking Moscow which is as “specific” as his comments get.
If you think this was some act of hate speech you have 0 emotional intelligence
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u/Hot-Imagination6741 11d ago
It’s not clearly hyperbole though, that’s the problem. If it was he should have made a better effort to communicate that. Generally you should take someone at their word, so when you insult people for doing so it seems like a disingenuous way to shutdown of the conversation
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u/RichardTheApe 11d ago
I’m sorry but have you watched Bo’s streams before? We have people joking about Uygher ethnic cleansing and all sorts of stuff which is clearly a joke. Watching the clip it’s clearly not that serious. This is only further proven because if you look at time Bo is “serious” he has an entirely different tone and in this clip his tone and vocabulary is clearly the same joking over the top bs that most of the channel is.
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u/Hot-Imagination6741 11d ago edited 11d ago
I have watched lots of bo’s streams, and when people joke about ethnic cleansing its usually funny though. I think the the way he delivers it sounds too exasperated and cringy to really be funny,and that’s why it is just interpreted as a rant. Has he made any comments on it?
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u/Hot-Imagination6741 11d ago
Okay I watched it again, he straight up says he is serious, it seems you have to be wilfully naive to interpret this as a joke
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u/aidank21 13d ago
"Kill them, kill those mother fuckers, let the streets run red with their blood. ...In a video game."
"White men are inferior." (While two literal gimps are in the background PG13 site btw)
*Streams HOI from the offices of known war criminals
Both of the above quotes didn't catch a ban. It took Grisha about 3 weeks of his bullshit to catch a ban. Expecting any sort of reasonability from Twitch is a pipe dream.
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u/RichardTheApe 13d ago
Grisha, in this case, is a literal perfect example of the line between Bo and real political/irl intent.
Grisha named and explained in a dead pan way several times why the invasion, often the worse parts of it, were justified.
Bo literally made an edgy however completely removed comment about Russia.
This conversation should be “Bo made an edgy comment which I while stupid and edgy shows the anxiety and results of Russian aggression”
But it’s been turned into “Bo, a twitch streamer who teaches thousands is advocating for the death and nuclear war with Russia”
One of these arguments is just such a bad faith interpretation of what happen
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u/ShineReaper 12d ago edited 12d ago
To be fair... at the time it wouldn't have been a nuclear war with Soviet Russia, since Soviet Russia in 1945 had no nukes. They acquired them only in 1949. If people like Patton, MacArthur etc. had their way (I assume it for the latter, since he advocated for throwing nuclear bombs on China, when they entered the Korea War and aided the North Koreans), the US totally would've used this window at the time to at least destroy the communist regime, while the US still was the only power to have nukes and the Soviets couldn't respond in kind. They didn't even have a strategic bombing fleet like the Western Allies, so they in no way could've retaliated against the US itself, if they would've been able to retaliate at all at the time.
Anyway... Bo's comment was easily misunderstandable and I think the worst interpretation possible was used to justify the ban from the side of Twitch.
If he would've said "The Western Allies should've started Operation Unthinkable to also liberate Eastern Central and Eastern Europe", that wouldn't have gotten him banned. But saying that they should've glassed and nuked "the whole thing"... that sadly can be interpretated as Bo calling for the genocide of the entire Russian people.
I believe that this is NOT what he meant, but from Twitch's PoV it can be interpretated as such and so they banned him.
I hope he will learn from that and simply be a lot clearer in his statements, if he returns to Twitch.
Like I read that he is moving to Kick and I never heard of Kick before, so that doesn't bode well for his publicity. But on the other hand, YouTube is a shitshow too, like you can't talk about history as a history youtuber, otherwise your videos get demonetized. Now imagine what happens with Bo and his version of countryballs, some of the German ones showing the Swastika.
Like I'm fine with it, I don't believe in people being influenced to become Nazis or Communists simply by seeing their symbols and I find it hypocritical too, that in most parts of the world the Nazi Swastika is banned, while Hammer & Sickle and other communist symbols are not banned, but again, that is not the PoV of YouTube.
I just hope, whatever he does, that he does well enough in the meantime and keeps uploading at least the funny stream highlights on YouTube and gets income from that and that somehow a solution is found for Golden, if he really was so dependent on streaming content with Bo in it.
I feel like his friends were caught in the crossfire unjustified here, especially since some of them tried to stop him in the clip.
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u/Interesting-Trash774 12d ago
Also the comment was "should have glassed them" not "they should". How can this even break rules when talking about a historic maybe that never happened and cant happen because we re talking about past?
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u/Mr_Pleasant-96 12d ago
The problem is Twitch's unjust ban system. Its never clear what will actually get you banned or not. Some people can get away with blatant TOS violations for years, and others sneeze wrong and get banned.
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u/Fortune_Silver 12d ago
I'm kind of of a similar opinion to ISP on this.
Was it a bannable offense? Absolutely, everyone knows how twitchy twitch gets about TOS, and even as a joke or being possessed by the ghost of Patton, calling for genocide against the Russian people is definitely bannable.
Have other people gotten away with much worse? yes. Is an effectively perma-ban a reasonable level of punishment for a first-time ban where a little context shows that it's not actually seriously calling for genocide and simply a heated gamer moment referencing an actual plan that was actually considered in history while playing a game based around said history? also yes.
A ban for what he said was fair, but like, 1-3 months would have been reasonable given the circumstances. But, that's what you get for basing your entire income around the whims of an American big tech corp with famously vague lines for what is and is not okay and a history of wildly unequal enforcement of those rules.
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u/Talib00n 12d ago
He was mass reported by people mad at his twitter takes. I am sure of it
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
Yknow I don’t want to hop on the Russian bot train but it’s looking pretty tough
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u/Substantial_Chair999 13d ago
Except that it was serious. Bo is just coping trying to pretend it wasn't to maybe recover his channel.
Now I don't mind what he said and don't think he should get a permaban for it, especially when other streamers said worse and were punished with less.
But Bo was 100% being genuine and anyone that follow his twitter knows that he was drunk on the "smug centrist everyone is mad at me so i'm right" juice.
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u/RichardTheApe 13d ago
Idk I feel like it was said pretty firmly within the realm of irony. Saying he was advocating for genocide is a super stretch. Aren’t there videos of Vic 2 Balkan larp where they call the other Balkan nations germs.
In isolation it’d look pretty bad but knowing the context of the Bokoen squad you know it’s a joke.
In my eyes this is as bad of a stretch as people saying “if you say Rommel is a good general your a Nazi” which was a real conversation the “hoi 4 community” had several years ago.
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u/DominionSorcerer 13d ago
Bo was given ample of opportunities to go "Yeah, it was just a joke, I'm not being serious" by both his Twitch chat and the people he plays with like Golden and Braun. He doubled down, then trippled down and explained in detail how the Allies should have glassed Russia after WW2 and that the Russian people are retarded and deserve it for not overthrowing their dictatorial governments is his genuine belief.
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u/AVDeKn 13d ago
Tbh, He is 100% right
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u/Tw3lve1212 13d ago
Advocating for the genocide of entire nations of people is never right regardless of circumstance. Ever.
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u/RichardTheApe 13d ago
Saying he went in detail is a stretch additionally I still say it was clearly intended to be an ironic/satirical comment. People have said Americans (even certain American leaders) are retarded and deserve to be shot but that did not get them banned. It’s just so clearly a nothing situation blown up into something
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u/DominionSorcerer 12d ago
Bo made it clear it wasn't satirical, he has since acknowledged he was in the wrong for saying it.
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u/Qwerty2511 12d ago edited 12d ago
You can believe that he was being ironic, but you can't really blame Twitch for taking it seriously after he includes both "literally" and "deadass" in his comments. Yes, Twitch is inconsistent in enforcement, but Bo's comments clearly violate ToS.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
My main problem is that it’s inconsistent with how his channel has been treated in the past.
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u/Substantial_Chair999 13d ago
It was hyperbole, yes. But the sentiment was genuine. Bo like many in that part of Europe pretty much despise Russia, and Bo also despises communists.
Sure he wasn't genuinely suggesting that they should be genocided, but he was genuinely suggesting they should have died by the millions if it meant that the communists lost. And he was genuinely suggesting that people were retarded for not overthrowing a regime when his own country surrendered to one.I doesn't take long nowadays to see european people dehumanizing russians, calling them orcs and etc. I don't think he meant it when he said to glass russia.
But calling for mass murder is by itself ban worthy if the rest wasn't true.10
u/hellogoodbyegoodbye 12d ago
The thing that makes this 100% funnier is that Denmark peacefully surrendered to the Nazis without any opposition from the danish government
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u/RichardTheApe 13d ago
See but my problem with your statement is in a group of people who play history games often with mechanics that revolve around the nasty topics these jokes have all been made before.
That’s what’s strange to me is there’s a long career of Bo and co saying out of pocket stuff with no consequence except now.
Yes it was real anti-Russian dissent
Yes Bo has made anti communist comments before(and some very strongly recently)
However they have literally referred to other places being glasses before without comment casually. I think trying to say Bo unironically was trying to make an argument that millions should have been killed is just bad faith. We see this especially in examples of when Bo tries to make a serious point vs the tone he had in that video.
I’m just struggling to see how if your a consistent viewer of Bo how you heard that clip and thought “yah Bo wants literally millions of people to seriously die” no “yah Bo, a European, is frustrated with Russian foreign policy which he said something edgy to stress”
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u/Substantial_Chair999 13d ago
I agreed with you that it was mostly hyperbole. But just a few days before his ban Bo was on twitter saying communism should be outlawed. He does have some pretty extreme views. Add that to the average hate most people on that side of the continent already have against Russia is not a giant leap to presume that Bo meant, at least partly, what he said.
But whether he genuinely believes in what he said or not, the fact remains that what Bo said was advocating for large scale violence against a people and that's against TOS.
Now i'm not saying I don't agree with parts of what he said, or that I think he's a monster. What I'm saying is that Bo trying to pretend that what said as all a big joke and that he only meant for genocide to happen in minecraft is disingenuous in the extreme.
He should just be a man about it and own up to what he said and apologize instead of going for "Haha guys it was only a big joke I meant genocide in-game xdddd"
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u/RichardTheApe 13d ago
Ok let’s just step away from this specific instance though. There’s been 100% jokes made about glassing other countries, specifically just for comparison the US. I mean golden recently played as the CSA making a lot of pro slavery jokes - none of which are interpreted as Pro racist speech.
My point is yes Bo said what he said. But why is this being treated any different to other topics? I find it very strange Russian politics is getting this privilege to pull card and say “this is a step too far”
My point is not “Bo said something bad that I think is actually good”
My point this “Bo has make equally if not worst comments before which could be interpreted much worse”
Why is this situation unique - the emerging connection is Russia and current politics which is very strange and not fair to Bo
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u/TheLordLambert 13d ago
Because there's a difference between larping a country youre playing in a game, which is CSA and numerous other games theyve played, and going on an unrelated to the game youre playing rant.
Bo's hate of russia is 100% justified. He just went too far, and on a platform that has the consistency of a sewer.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
But people keep missing the point of my conversation that Bo clearly wasn’t seriously advocating for the mass killing of Russians and was expressing his frustration in hyperbole
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u/DominionSorcerer 12d ago
Bo might not have seriously advocated for the mass killing of Russians, but he was still genuine in his belief that the Allies should have nuked Moscow to take out the Soviets. That wasn't the hyperbole.
Him then saying all of Russia should have been glassed due to how retarded the Russians are, that's hyperbole.
There's the difference between Swimmy "I'm a staunch National Socialist" and the plethora of Swigma quotes, Golden's CSA larp or Braun being Braun. Those were jokes about the games they were currently playing. Bo, albeit partly hyperbole, was stating his IRL beliefs.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
He was not genuine that they should have nuked Moscow. If you have ever been frustrated from a conversation you know you say stupid stuff but if we look at Bo’s pattern he has said dumb edgy political stuff like this before many times. Some may have been truthful in the sense of real criticism but calling it a “call to arms” or “supporting genocide” is crazy talk.
He was no more serious in that comment about Moscow being nuked than ever. Context matters, contextually this is all within Bo’s alley of humor.
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u/Holy1To3 12d ago
What do you mean it is against TOS? That cant be true if Asmon and Hasan are both still on the site
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u/Ok_Work1615 12d ago
I understand where your coming from, but if your defense of bo is "people have said worse things" then it's not really a defense is it?
Yeah, twitch sucks, but also, bo was actively saying shit that EVERYONE else knew was terrible and was trying to get him to opt out of, but he didn't. Maybe it was ironic, they do say some pretty dark/political shit, but nah. The ban was 100% deserved. Probably not a Perma though, but you can't say he didn't bring it on himself.
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u/TheUnobservered 12d ago
Pretty much. The discourse about the ban on Bo should less be “he did nothing wrong!” and more “Twitch is not an innocent party here”.
Just because there is a valid reason for a ban doesn’t necessarily mean that’s why the ban happened…
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u/RogueStormTroop 12d ago
I think he should be banned for a bit and I think looking back on it now he would agree himself but a perm ban is crazy so much worse has been said like asmongolds comments and that got him what like a 2 week ban. Twitch is so inconsistent with its rules.
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u/Johann_Castro 12d ago
In a vacuum, I think the ban is deserved. It was kinda stupid, but yeah know.
But considering twitch as a whole, I think it's pretty tame, and while still ban worthy, like. A week? Two weeks? A month at best I guess? Worse things have been said, and worse people are still streaming. E.g. Asmongold was consistently banned for like two weeks for months.
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u/Hardkor_krokodajl 12d ago
What happened?
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
Bo made an edgy comment that was essentially
“The allies should’ve just nuked Russia and glassed Moscow after WW2 at this point with all the shit their doing”
Bad sure
Ban - I guess
What is strange to me is there’s been much worse stuff said ironically than this which hasn’t been an issue. It’s weird poking Russia got him banned and it’s weird that it was for such a mediocre comment as well by comparison
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u/Mission-Humor-9499 8d ago
Bo's comments were the most patriotic American thing said by a European. Someone tell Trump. We ought to take Greenland as revenge for Denmark not standing up for Bo. If Denmark can't protect Bo from Twitch, how can we expect them to defend Greenland from the Chinese?
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u/Apprehensive-Tree-78 8h ago
"not a serious comment"
"im being deadass they should've just glassed them with nukes."
riiiiight, or we can just point out that he was wrong for suggesting a genocide of an entire race and continue on with our lives. He apologized, no need to make is seem like he wasn't serious.
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u/RichardTheApe 7h ago
He apologized under pressure because his livelihood is at risk not because the comment was serious.
If you consider what Bo said serious I bet you think golden support slavery, swimmy is a Nazi, and Bo is in support of Russian genocide. You just don’t have emotional intelligence
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u/Apprehensive-Tree-78 7h ago
He apologized because he genuinely believes that but wants to save his career.
All of those examples are actually referencing their countries in the respective time period. Bo was obviously referring to Putin and modern Russia. You don’t have intelligence in general. Keep making excuses for some random streamer lmao
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u/RichardTheApe 6h ago
Bro you are literally the type of people who are making it so everything is ultra policed today - if you watch any amount of Bo content this is not the first time they have made fun of contemporary politics. Idk why you care so much you obviously sought out a 2 week old post and commented on it.
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u/Apprehensive-Tree-78 5h ago
They never joked about genociding an entire race of people due to modern political tension. And he even specified “I’m deadass” as in, “I’m not jokingl
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u/Ancapgast 12d ago
I see a lot of people saying "oh X amount of time was justified, perma is too much".
Quite frankly, if it were my own platform, I would ban him until I was sure that (1) he understands you can't call for genocide on my platform and (2) he actually felt remorse and understands why what he said was incredibly fucked up.
As a child, I once used "gay" as a slur on a Minecraft server in the public chat. I got banned until I actually showed that I was sorry for that. Served me right, taught me a valuable lesson. Genuinely stupid to have to make this comparison but apparently Bo doesn't understand that his words can have impact.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
Calling what Bo said advocating for genocide is proof of zero literacy of the situation he was so clearly not serious
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u/Snappedfir 12d ago
He said he was being deadass and repeated himself multiple times. Better yet he apologized for saying it once again I don't know why people are making excuses for him.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
Why are we blowing up Bo saying something stupid into supporting genocide?
At worst he was coming off hot from May Day and said some stupid hyperbole to expression frustration.
Calling what he said genocide support is brain dead. Notice how there’s no attempt to define the evidence. People cherry pick the exact words outside the context of Bo’s content, Bo’s channel, and Bo’s recent history. He is clearly not some Nazi agitator and clearly at worst was being edgy/satirical.
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u/Saurid 12d ago
So you are right but bos comments were ban worthy. Just because twitch is shitty doenst mean he wasnt in the wrong.
Aka your argument boils down to (in hyperbaly) "he shouldnt be convicted of murser because he didnt torture his victim first and that guy got off".
He did say bad stuff and it was stupid but he deserves the punishment others deserve it and worse too but that is what aboutism and bad argumentation.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
No way dude my argument is
This is literally the equivalent of being charged with a hate crime for telling someone to kill themselves online during a video game.
Is that a good thing - no
A literal crime?
No one even got hurt by what he said I don’t think any Russians have been killed by bo terrorists
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u/Saurid 12d ago
You arent allowed to say "God kill yourself" on twitch. Its a rule and shouldnt be tolerated. My example was about the argument you ame being applied in real law to show how ridiculous it is.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
Alright my example was poor but your original argument does not hold up at all.
On a channel that consistently makes edgy/political humor he said something political/edgy
Crowd goes wild
In law establishing patterns within context trumps pure legal code that’s why we have juries that interpret not just apply law.
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u/Saurid 12d ago
... typical. American thinks everyone does it the way his nation does. Or some other ignornat nation were juries are the norm.
Where I come from judges interpreted the law aka in this case it would be twitch itself.
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u/RichardTheApe 12d ago
This is such a stupid response bro.
Yah I’m American that doesn’t reduce my point because context matters in the law which you avoid answering
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u/Dtwer 13d ago
Bo forgot to say "in the game"