r/Angryupvote 13d ago

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u/OscarMMG 13d ago

Helen’s mother was a Greek and Zeus seems to be Greek in myths where he takes on human forms, so it makes a lot of sense for Helen to be portrayed as Greek

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/GardenRafters 13d ago

You guys realize this wasn't a historical event right? It's a book. It's all made up.

Helen of Troy was the daughter of Zeus and a goose and was hatched out of an egg. She's not a real person.

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u/pgllz 13d ago

It's mythology. It's different from fiction. The Ancient Greeks and Romans believed that it was real. In fact, the Epic Cycle of the Trojan wars was seen as an account of historical facts until the Middle Ages/Renaissance.

And even today, scholars debate whether those epics have some degree of historicity or not.

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u/Sagelegend 13d ago

The Ancient Greeks and Roman’s believed that the Trojan war was real—they didn’t believe that the writings of someone they knew to be an epic poet, not an historian.

Hellenic scholars, Alexandrian critics, and Romans like Herodotus and Thucydides did not necessarily take Homer seriously, since they could look to inconsistencies in details pertaining to genealogies, topography, and so on.

The average Greek probably looked at it the way we look at the writings of Chopper Read: “never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.”

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u/pgllz 13d ago

That's what I wrote. A [poetic] account of what they believed to be an historical fact.

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u/Sagelegend 13d ago

So you didn’t read what said.

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u/gottabequick 13d ago

Your present confusion is exactly why Plato hated poets.

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u/GardenRafters 13d ago

And...?

Dumb people think the stuff in the bible is real. Just because someone else experiences group psychosis doesn't mean we have to pretend it's true.

It IS NOT a historical event and getting mad about the skin color of a made up person is asinine. Period.

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u/pgllz 13d ago

I commented in order to underline that fiction and myth are two very different concepts.

Besides, the historicity of numerous aspects of the Trojan wars has been debated even today by specialists that now much more about this than either one of us.

And the same can be said about the Bible, particularly about the New Testament. I'm agnostic, leaning atheist, and I don't really believe in miracles, but that doesn't mean I don't think that Paul, Jesus or Pontius Pilate weren't real people.

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u/mcauthon2 13d ago

>It's mythology. It's different from fiction. 

bro, some of you need to touch grass. Also touch a book

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u/pgllz 13d ago

Well, I have read The Iliad, The Odyssey, and The Aeneid. Have you?

And mythology is indeed different from fiction. The cultural weight of myths is completely different when compared to a work of fiction. The relationship the Ancient Greeks had with their myths was completely different from our relationship with some fictitious reality, such as Harry Potter.

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u/GardenRafters 13d ago

And that doesn't matter. We aren't Greeks from thousands of years ago.

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u/Optimal_Question8683 13d ago

Im greek and i give a shit

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u/Fozzymandius 13d ago

The guy making the movie isn’t.

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u/Errant_coursir 13d ago

Good for you, no one cares

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u/Optimal_Question8683 13d ago

Ok how about you dont respond then lol