r/vexillology 12h ago

Redesigns Greek Hellenism flag

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54 Upvotes

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u/SHIZ_Dan 12h ago

This flag is so easy to make in Photoshop, why you used AI😭 it literally ruined flag

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 12h ago edited 11h ago

Are you reffering to the meanders or the rest, the rest seems perfect to me and i am trying some meander rendering to see how sloppy different models can make it look ;p!

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u/SHIZ_Dan 11h ago

Bro... shades...

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 11h ago

You mean to add correct shading like the olive branch to the sun or add shading to the acnes of each shape?

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u/SHIZ_Dan 11h ago

Have you ever seen any flag in your life?

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 11h ago

Why don't you explain and directly say what you hate.

Example "I hate you X people that think Y do this Z amateur stuff"
I don't claim to be a flag expert i just show some ideas with quick AI rendering to be improved afterwards. I test the concept i don't claim that is my final flag, i will not base my final flag on a quick render AI man i will use Inkscape for the serious drawing...

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u/Stevie-Doo 11h ago

He means that most flags look worse when they add shading to it, because it may make the flag maybe look a little bit more realistic, but also adds no functional purpose to a flag.

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u/SHIZ_Dan 10h ago

I'm more referring to the fact that no flag in history has ever had shadows because creating flags with shadows was impossible for most of human history

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 10h ago

Why should we care what was possible or not in old times are we on some historical accuracy competition or something :o ?

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 9h ago

Best use would be to try non-shaded flag as a base and a shaded one in non-animations.
So you think if i add shading like the picture i posted here is worse?

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u/Stevie-Doo 9h ago

Yes.

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 9h ago

Ok 2 copies it is you Heinous ^-^ !

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u/thetearinreality 11h ago

Stop posting ai god damn I could make this flag in 5 fucking minutes without ai

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 10h ago

It doesn't matter if you could, but if you did, i am testing the concept through quick AI slop rendering i will not finalise it as this sloppy don't be just an AI hater buddy...

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u/thetearinreality 9h ago

Then dont post it if its just a test and not something you made

And why couldn't you have just made the test yourself?

If it is sloppy, as you said yourself, why post it?

Im not even an avid ai hater, I just hate ai art/flags on this sub because I often put hours into my own creations, and to see someone post this slop is aggravating

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u/Difficult_Weekend604 1h ago

I tried decided to attempt this flag on flag creator took me 2 minutes but I didnt attempt the border

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 8h ago

Ok i understand the reason for your frustration, but i don't claim what you think i am. How should i title it myself if i want to not aggrave you, simply for testing the concept art first before spending hours in serious drawing?
I think it is smart if you are not sure about a concept to test it out before spending hours...

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u/Smirnaff Imperial Russia β€’ St. Petersburg 12h ago

Today I learned that AI struggles with meanders

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 12h ago

Yeah it does but looking it from afar the mainders don't seem that shitty or maybe not ;p

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u/SchemePlane7914 Basque Country 12h ago

AI slop

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 12h ago edited 11h ago

Meander rendering so bad 😞 ?

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u/sv3llupforme 9h ago

This looks like it belongs on a luxury hotel stationery set rather than a flagpole. It is high quality but definitely leans more into aesthetic design than a practical vexillological symbol.

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 9h ago

Well that is the main practical factor that demands flag designs to have limited complexity.
Still i am wondering of the concept aesthetically not if it is practicall to have as an actual flag, more like "Are the symbols combined aethetically? "
Of course this is a sloppy quick AI rendering not the final one

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u/RaphWinston55 United Nations 11h ago

It being ai aside

I think have both the Laurel wreath and meanders make it look a bit busy, I think having only one of these elements is fine, maybe your using both since they were kinda the symbols for Ancient Greece

I do think using the Vergina Sun ( a symbol mostly associated with Macedonia) can be a bit confusing since s it leaves out other Greek states. if it’s for the Hellenistic age then ya that would make sense I guess

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 11h ago

If i render ,other than AI unsloppify it's faults, the meanders thinner would it look less busy?
Also the Vergina Sun is more assosiated with the Macedonian Hellenic tribe, that's why i explained it through Hellenism and more Macedonia centric fan fic.
The symbol had panhellenic religious meaning and very important fun fact about that is that Thessaloniki is built in a way that you can see Mount Olympus in a clear day from the seaside of the city, which was considered the home of the Gods.
Add to that the unification through a one Greek tribe only main symbol isn't that absurd according to the actual history as the Macedonians were the ones to unify almost all of the Hellenes for the 1st time, hence in a more succesfull state building scenario we can imagine their own prefences to be the cultural norm.

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u/sam261291 India 11h ago

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 10h ago

Woah amazing πŸ˜ƒ !

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u/Archelector 10h ago

I’m going to steal that wreath

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 9h ago

Hey, where are your manners?
Did you say it's beautiful first?
-.-'

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u/Archelector 8h ago

yes very nice will steal now

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 8h ago

Hey you can't steal with nice, you must say beautiful!

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u/Critical_Meet_6726 Lithuania 11h ago

Cool πŸ‘

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 11h ago

Meander though are a bit trashy 😞

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u/moltenlight11 12h ago

Its not bad mate, reddit specifically just hates AI for the sake of hating. It looks quite nice

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u/YogurtclosetSad9472 12h ago

I agree though the mainders if you look them closer are sloppy indeed. The AI hate i am not sure if it is naturally born or promoted by the people that will lose their jobs by it. For example being a graphic artists in your job and not needing to work 8 hours in your shift at the company and writing at reddit, would make you for sure bash it every way you can....

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u/moltenlight11 11h ago

Not sure either but is very reddit specific. Instagram for example dont really care. Neither does tiktok and so on. In reddit of they even have a suspicion that it may be AI, even if it was perfectly made, they will call it Slop. There was a post of someone that put a REAL painting of Van Gogh and said it was AI generated and got absolutely bashed. It turns out it was the real thing. So they just hate because :)