Lol. Sorry I had to. The area that is considered Patagonia falls within 2/3 established and official regions of Chile. Mostly the 2 southernmost regions of Magallanes and Aysen, but sometimes people will include the region of Los Lagos too. Each of those regions have their own flag.
Some definitions have it reach up as high as Araucanía! But yeah no I live in the region to the north of Araucanía and nobody includes it. Puerto Montt is the boundary for me.
Many of my Egyptian friends didn't like it and they said that the color (red) is very important for our national identity, while the Pyramids are not important at all.
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That's an interesting thought. I always thought of it as a foundational thing but maybe that's too simplistic. I mean I'm American and we don't think of Cahokia as a national symbol.
Question: do modern Egyptians see the ancient civilization as part of the modern country's identity? Or as a bygone era that has no real bearing on what Egypt is now?
Yes, definitely. We see Ancient Egypt as one of the two main components of the modern Egyptian national identity, along with the Arab/Islamic component.
Egyptian here too. I love the pyramids but I dislike linking the visual identity to it only. It distracts of how many other literal and non literal Pyramids in egypt are.
Lmao what? The pyramids are a symbol of ancient Egyptian kingdoms and their history.
The Eiffel tower is just a glorified cell tower that only Parisians can identify with. The Eiffel tower on the French flag is like replacing stars with lady-liberty or a Confederate X on the American flag.
To me it appears as if Egyptians are conflicted about their heritage, and suffer from an identity crisis. What do you think?
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No offense to french folks out here. I'm probably wrong, however the peripheries of many European nations almost never fully embrace any centralized symbolism from their national identity.
The other comments are kind of correct, but oversimplify the vast distance that exists between the builders of the pyramids and modern egyptians. So here is a brief summary of the timeline of the region of egypt:
Ancient egypt: ~3100BC - ~300BC
This period is the core of ancient egypt, and is sub divided into three periods: the Old, Middle and New kingdoms. The Giza pyramids and the vast majority of pyramids as we picture them were built during the Old kingdom. The intermediary periods between the kingdom divisions were marked by invasions and foreign rule over egypt, or periods of lower importance in international affairs. By the time of the New Kingdom, pharaohs were buried in underground tombs, not pyramids.
Ptolemaic dynasty: ~300BC - 30BC
Alexander the Great conquers egypt and sets up his own dynasty of Macedonian (Greek) origin. Cleopatra is famously the last ruler of this time.
Roman rule: 30BC - ~600CE
Series of Arab caliphates/sultanates: ~600CE - 1517CE
Ottoman empire: 1517 - 1914
Finally a series of regime changes that lead to the modern state of Egypt as we know it.
Modern egypt is so far culturally removed from the pyramid builders of 4000 years ago, that its kind of silly to compare the two. Religion, language, International affairs and every aspect of political identity has had multiple drastic changes since then.
This timeline is still hugely oversimplified, and I am not a historian, but I am interested in history and lived in Egypt for a while.
Final note: pointing out that the modern arab state is very culturally different to the ancient egyptians can have a subtext of racism with an implicit judgment of "modern egyptians are not true egyptians, who were superior", and I want to make it very clear that this is not my opinion. Its again a silly opinion due to the fact that egypt has been under arab rule for 1400 years. That is longer than scandinavia has been christian!
Because they are Arab Muslims and have nothing to do with the ancient Egyptians. The pyramids and other ancient monuments are nothing to them but a cash cow.
Cause they didn't build them. Egypt was conquered by Greeks, Roman's, Christians, Muslims etc etc etc. The hold no significance in religion or anything to those who reside there now
It is called Orientalism. Make the east look mystical, fancy, exotic to justify colonialism. Nowadays people dont think that, but the effect of orientalism is still felt (though it isnt used offensively or to justify colonialism anymore). It is like reducing Iraq and all those thousands of years of history to Babylon and Saddam Hussain and thats it.Of course an Iraqi would be mad at that, and of course an Egyptian would be pissed at their seven thousand years of history › pyramid of giza lolz
No, there is a difference between history and national identity. As you will see below, many Egyptians feel like reducing their 7 thousand years of history to just the stereotypical depiction that includes pyramids, mummies and desert to be reductionist and somewhat offensive.
Imagine that every time someone speaks about the USA they invoke the cowboys or if every time someone speaks about China they speak about the Great Wall.
You have to understand that up until the early 20th century, no one in Egypt knew anything about the Ancient Egyptian civilization. Many people feel that tying Egypt to the ancient culture is not the "real" Egypt, but how Europeans want to see Egypt.
Nope, history and local knowledge don't matter. Flags are supposed to take a really stereotypical idea of what normies think of a place and then just make a graphic depiction of that thing. So, Egypt gets beige because sand and triangles because they have pyramids and blue because they have the sky. And white for peace or something, because it can't be snow.
I'd argue for a red field, a black pall, and perhaps the triangle in the pall either gold or green.
Red field - identity, desert. Pall - reference to the Nile, with the delta represented by the triangle in the pall. Black as a reference to Kemet and the fertile soil along the Niles banks. And the triangle gold to represent the sun for good contrast or green to represent the fertility of the land or the connections to Islam.
If you want a more modern version, then making the pall blue with a white outline could serve to represent the blue and white Nile rivers.
OP: Idk if it would be better, but it would maybe be clever if you made the two pyramids an Egyptian eagle (the looks hyeroglyphic) by adding a head above the two pyramids forming the body.
Make the head slightly detached from the body so it still looks like pyramids.
الإجابة المحرجة إني عملت التصميم ده باستخدام الباور بوينت تقريباً بس الهلال المفروض يكون أرفع و يكون مش متحدد بإسود فعلاً بس أنا ما كنتش عارف أعمله كده إزاي
i like it! i agree with a lot of people here saying the sky should be red but i was also wondering why you put a thin black border on the crescent moon? it feels unintentional with the lineless style of the pyramids
The embarrassing answer is that I did the whole thing using PowerPoint, and I did not know how to do a crescent without an outline. But, the original design is supposed to be without the outline around the crescent.
I like it! Especially in getting away from the traditional pan-arab colors and focusing on the more ancient parts of the history with the blue and gold.
Islam is the biggest component of the Egyptian national identity and has been for the last 15 centuries.
The second article of the Egyptian constitution states that: "Islam is the religion of the state. Arabic is its official language. Principles of Islamic Law (Sharia) is the main source for legislature."
I mean, the night sky is generally portrayed as black. And I don’t think red necessarily breaks the desert intention. It just makes it more…intense maybe?
Also, I’m a sucker for the black and red combination.
Brother, Dont get me wrong I love that you're a creative and trying, and thanks for choosing Egypt but as an egyptian its a bit of a cliche and a corny idea to ignore the history of the country and reduce it all in these two orientalist fetishism prosepctive.
If you bring an Alien to earth rn, and ask him what is the first thing you see from this flag?
He will say I can imagine camels and backwards ppl living in tents.
I know your intention are coming from a beautiful place.
I play online multi-players and use discord, do you know how many times I have heard: "so is your internet and Lan cables go through or under your tent?"
And I used to joke back: no but I need to go feed my camel 4 the school trip school.
Letting racist randos on discord gaslight you into hating your ancient history is the funniest thing ever.
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I don't want to be an instigator. All I can say is own your sh*t. There are many stats that put Egypt on top of many countries in Africa, and around the world.
White bar outlining pyramids has no symbolic meaning, yet is extremely thick, defeating its stated purpose as merely an outline.
Pyramids shown are two the same size, and one half that size: this is a poor representation of the Giza pyramids.
The canton is traditionally the place of honour on a flag. The fly is the first part of the flag to deteriorate, so puting the crescent there is not the most respectful thing to do.
1- As I said in another comment. I did this using PowerPoint and I did not know how to do it without the outline.
2- This is an artistic choice to break the Gold and the Blue. I can come up with a bullshit symbolism like how the current white in the Egyptian flag symbolizes (peace), but at the end of the day it is a visual choice.
3- This is not supposed to be an accurate representation, it is just symbolism. Again, just an artistic choice.
4- Again this is just an artistic choice to make the flag more unique. There so many flags that use cantons, I was trying to be different.
You keep saying "artistic choice" like that explains something I didn't know.
I'm an artist, I'm telling you that you made the wrong choice, and explaining my reasoning. If your response is just to shrug, why ask for a critique? You're just looking for attention?
It’s so generic, and way too symbolist. It feels shallow as It’s just a photo of the pyramids of Giza at night, hyper-abstracted into this cheap corporate graphic. What does this say about the country or its people? It’s literally just a photo of a place made into a flag.
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u/superchiva78 Mar 08 '26
Reminds me a lot of the flag for Chile’s Magallanes and Chilean Antarctica Region.