r/vexillology • u/VladislavLevandovski • Feb 16 '26
MashMonday Ukrainian flag in the style of the KSA flag
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u/slackerwkwk Feb 16 '26
I think this is one of the best executions of a "KSA-style" flag
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u/mapbego Macedonia (1992) • Bisexual Feb 16 '26
Definitely helps that vyaz is vertically stretched just like the Arabic on the Saudi flag
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u/PhilipOnRedditXD Feb 16 '26
"Hristos Voskrese! Vaistinu Voskrese!" "The Christ has Risen! Indeed, he has risen!" This is what I understood the phrase is on the flag as an Orthodox Serb lol, so correct me if I am wrong, but this goes so hard.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
Why a kilij tho shouldnt it be a straightedge or somethin?
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u/mapbego Macedonia (1992) • Bisexual Feb 16 '26
The Cossacks (who had a sizeable impact on Ukrainian culture as far as I know) got lot of their accessories (weapons clothing etc) from the people of the Caucasus (a lot of whom are Turks) so I guess that's why (tho something like a shashka would probably make more sense)
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
İ guess since Crimea is within Ukraine it'd make sense though it is an autonomous region.
Cossacks themselves used to be Tatars in the beginning and became slavic over time, but İ'd associate them more with Siberia than Ukraine since they played a vital role in conquering the Siberian khanates for the russian empire.
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u/Long_Effect7868 Feb 16 '26
Cossacks themselves used to be Tatars in the beginning and became slavic over time
Um, what? The Cossacks appeared as ordinary people fleeing centuries of Polish oppression. The Cossacks are Slavs who suffered under Tatar raids.
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u/dplmsk_ Feb 16 '26
You are kinda both wrong guys, Cossack wasn’t an ethnicity, it was a class. Cossacks appeared everywhere along the line between nomads and settled peoples.
But only Ukrainian Cossacks turned it into a state.
And yeah, in fact Slavs were the biggest ethnical part of Cossacks, but not only Slavs.
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u/Long_Effect7868 Feb 17 '26
You are kinda both wrong guys, Cossack wasn’t an ethnicity
I didn't say it was ethnicity. I was simply pointing out who the first Cossacks in that region came from.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
Um, what? The Cossacks appeared as ordinary people fleeing centuries of Polish oppression. The Cossacks are Slavs who suffered under Tatar raids.
Heres an excerpt on the origins of the cossacks:
However, the term "Cossack" referred to independent horse-riding tribes by the Tatars (qazaq or "free men") who inhabited the Pontic–Caspian steppe, north of the Black Sea near the Dnieper River. -wikipedia
Neither the Cossacks nor the Tatars were a uniformed society, there were allying and warring factions. Some tatars fought other tatars. İts how the Siberian Khanate fell, because some decided to ally with ivan the terrible while some didnt.
Especially regarding the Black klobuks, some of which were reportedly of Oghuz AND of Kipchak origin because there was no unified structure. Whoever goes, just goes.
But in their origins it's assured that they used to be Turkic in the beginning, and branched out later. Either being assimilated or establishing their own subgroup.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
The first Cossacks were the Brodniki tribe, a semi-nomadic Slavic tribe in southern Ukraine.
Not according to historians.
İf you got beef with that statement go complain to historic consensus, not to me.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
This has nothing to do with etymology, its simply evident that the first Cossack people were the ones that emerged amongst the Tatars.
Does it not bother you that nothing of what you claim has any historical weight?
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u/Initial-Reading-2775 Feb 16 '26
İ'd associate them more with Siberia than Ukraine
Do you associate French language more with Quebec than France?
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u/VladislavLevandovski Feb 16 '26
This is a Polish-Hungarian type sabre.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
All kilij type swords eventually originated from the turko-mongol sabres
And this shape is specifically unique to the ottoman Turkic swords
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u/JesusSwag Suriname Feb 16 '26
'Unique' implies that it can only be found in those
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szabla#Hungarian-Polish_szabla
Just because something originates elsewhere, doesn't mean it can't become emblematic of a different group
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
Fair point. Then again there are swords that are actually "native" to ukraine. Question was "why not use that?"
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u/VladislavLevandovski Feb 16 '26
The word "Polish" refers to the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, including Ukraine. This saber's appearance is partly due to the long period of refinement it underwent through the experience of the Cossacks.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
Cossacks, a group that originally was of Tatar origin in central asia/south siberia.
Not poland, lithuania OR ukraine.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Feb 16 '26
No (without source)
yes (with source)
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u/gregorydgraham Feb 17 '26
Your source: “According to one theory, Cossacks have Slavic origins”
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u/gregorydgraham Feb 17 '26
Cossacks are definitely a Ukrainian thing.
Unless you’re going to call Frenchmen Ukrainians because of their Yamnaya Culture origins
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u/RedditMSUQ Feb 16 '26
!wave
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u/nim_opet Feb 16 '26
But why the Easter message? “Christ has risen” is not equivalent to the shahada; I.e. it’s not a canonical, required, or even that often used except for one specific holidays.
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u/SteelBurgher Feb 17 '26
Is there anything in Christianity with strong equivalence to the shahada though? This seems like as good a choice as any.
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u/nim_opet Feb 17 '26
The Nicene creed is the prescribed and required statement of faith (and least in Nicene Christianity). Other things are up to debate, but not professing it has the same effect as not professing the shahada in Islam.
Pick your version: First council of Nicaea is the simpler one:
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. (Just this first one would be sufficient for a flag)
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
By whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth];
Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;
He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
And in the Holy Ghost.
The First Council of Constantinople goes further and complicates things especially with the Holy Ghost, but the first line is unchanged.
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u/elder_plinius Feb 17 '26
Good point! And, the complication from the First Council is especially pertinent in Ukrainian history (e.g. the Treaty of Brest explicitly allowed Ukrainian Catholics to omit the filioque), so it could be extra interesting to include that part in this context
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u/Lumpy-Ad3690 Feb 20 '26
there's technically the "Jesus is Lord" proclamation (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3) or the extended "Jesus Christ is Lord" (Philippians 2:11).
there's also the Creeds (Niceo-Constantinopolitan, Apostles, Chalcedon), and the Trinitarian Formula if that counts (In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit)
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u/Organic_fed Feb 16 '26
Translate?
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u/Friedrich1508 Feb 16 '26
I would translate it as " Christ is risen" which is a common saying within the Orthodox Church.
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u/According-Issue4762 Feb 16 '26
I would use traditional Eastern European sabre, common in 18th century, usually have a finger cover on the handle
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u/riesen_Bonobo European Union • Socialism Feb 16 '26
Goes hard af, Ukrainian Orthodox Caliphate when?
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u/user10205 Feb 16 '26
there is nothing that makes this flag specifically Ukrainian, it is Christian Orthodox using Church Slavonic
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u/No-Witness-9854 Feb 16 '26
I mean you could argue the Shahada on the actual KSA Flag isn’t exactly theirs either, it’s the fundamental Islamic declaration of faith
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u/frambr Mar 31 '26
Considering that Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam, and the guardians of Islam’s holiest sites, the Shahada symbolizes the Kingdom. Also it is written in Arabic, which originated in Saudi Arabia as well. Both the message (Islamic) and script (Arabic) symbolize Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦
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u/VladislavLevandovski Feb 19 '26
The flag features a traditional Cossack style sabre and the original colors of the Ukrainian flag.
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u/DryPaleontologist246 Feb 16 '26
I really wanna see this flag with the old Ukrainian colours. The lighter blue I think it would also look good.
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u/Mr-Boones Feb 16 '26
Looks amazing. What font did you used? I want to do flag for Macedonia in this style.
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u/Puzzled-Snow5131 Feb 17 '26
It looks like Cossack style
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u/Shwabb1 Feb 18 '26
A more historical version associated with the Cossacks should then use a sword (shablia/shashka) of the correct shape and skoropys as the font. Vyaz looks better in this case due to its compactness but it's not really associated with the Cossacks.
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u/VladislavLevandovski Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26
the folks at Flagmaker & Print bought my design, so you can now purchase the flag from
https://flagmaker-print.com/products/ukraine-in-the-style-of-saudi-arabia-flag-vladislav-levandovski
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u/Elias-official Feb 17 '26
The inscription is in Russian l lol And colours are rather 🇸🇪than 🇺🇦
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u/Elias-official Feb 17 '26
Also the traditional Cossack “shashka” sword would have slightly different shape other than this one, which is a classic Arabic one
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u/SoNoMotorhead Ukrainian Free Territory • Ukraine Feb 17 '26
though i would suggest removing the ъ and the last e as the old church slavonic version is rarely used by anyone except for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchy). The Orthodox Church of Ukraine uses liturgy and official communications in Ukrainian
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u/Wonderful_Ad_2508 Feb 16 '26
Ни одной украинской буквы) Фраза полностью одинаковая как на русском, так и на украинском) Хорош, так держать :D
Кстати очень красиво, только нихрена это не украинский стиль😉
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u/Azgarr Feb 16 '26
Church Slavonic is the same among all Orthodox Cristians in Slavic countries (as some other ones).
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u/PositionGlass3312 Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
If the focus is on the Ukrainian identity of this flag, the phrase should be written in Ukrainian - the language of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU) - rather than in Church Slavonic, which is used by the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP).
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u/Azgarr Feb 17 '26
Probably, but that's an alternative reality where religious radicals took the power. So they could be on 'old style'.
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u/klibrass Feb 16 '26
This goes so hard. whats the translation