Identify
Half American, half Mjölnir. Neo-Nazi? Seen in my neighborhood in southern California
Title says it all. This is along a fairly busy main road, flying in someone's backyard. It's been up for months and no one has bothered it. This is suburbia and not way out in a rural area.
They're probably just an idiot who bought some bullshit on etsy. Wouldn't doubt they're racist etc. but I think its giving them too much credit to assume they even think of such a dogwhistle
So it’s a coded visual message of a coded numerical message that represents a doubled letter, which represents the historical figure they think is cool, all the while celebrating the county most often associated with that figure’s demise, intercut with a mythological reference that historical figure would have vaguely liked because it abstractly aligned with the rhetoric that brought him and kept him in power. Got it… do these people seriously think other people think like them, or should?
Maybe it's because of the 16 stripe US flag that did kind of exist. It never was offical but after the us gained independence and added states they hadn't set the 13 orginial colonies yet so they would update the stripes.
This flag was only really used from 1795 and 1818 when the 13 stripes was standardized.
Why it's on this mix mash of a flag I have no clue
There's a whole family in Indiana named Hitler that came to the US during one of the early waves of German immigration. When asked about changing their names, they said "it belonged to us first, he doesn't get to own it."
Correction: it appears it's actually somewhere in Ohio.
I do. Mad Magazine (I think) made a lot of references to Schickelgrüber. And if you think about it, that's a name that would be a comedy gem. I can just hear it in Jerry Lewis' voice.
He didn't, it was Alois his father that changed the family name prior to Hitler's birth, which was one of the only things Hitler and his father agreed upon in their lives.
Around 1939, in a German-speaking community in San Antonio, TX, my husband’s great-grandfather and great uncle stopped going by their birth names and started going by “Felix” and “Max.” Previously, they were Adolf Felix Maximilian [last name] Sr. And Jr.
My family has a lot of German heritage and growing up I had a great-uncle we all called Uncle Addy. It wasn't until his funeral that I learned his name was Adolf. He was born in the late 1920s, but after WW2 never went by Adolf ever again.
I TOLD YOU, I DEAL WITH THE CUSTOMERS SO THE ENGINEERS DON'T HAVE TO! I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS, DAMN IT! I'M GOOD AT DEALING WITH PEOPLE! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!
Let me ask you something, when you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anybody say to you "sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays"?
During the 90's and most of the early 00's in Sweden wearing a mjölnir pendant as the one on the flag was a 90% sure sign you were a nazi or hung out with Nazis.
Its not really true anymore, especially if you wear another style. But yeah :/
I mean ancient Germanic tribes were Norse pagans too when it came to worship. It’s always super weird when they try to mix it with Christianity though as it’s super heretical if you are actually Christian.
Not to detract from your overall point, but the non-Norse Germanic peoples were in fact not Norse. They had other gods, other beliefs, other customs. Pagan they were, but not Norse.
I wish I could still comfortably wear my mjolnir necklace. Always loved history, I grew up in northern England which is dense with Viking history, and loved the seeing Viking characters wearing them around their necks in media so being an impressionable nerd I bought a cool one years ago.
I became very sad when I discovered white nationalists have tried to take those things for themselves.
I seriously like this idea. Someone should start an Etsy page to make patches or crochet swatches to get out ahead of the fascists who are trying to co-opt cool historical symbols and make them with trans colors.
Reclaim them. Nazi's will never be able to claim Swastika simply because the East in general, India in particular; would "never" allow them to do that.
Swastika is a holy religious symbol in 3 of the 4 religions born in India in last 5,000 year's and all 3 of them are older from Christianity by atleast 2,000 to 2,500 year's.
East will never allow a political ideology from the West to hijack and claim one of its most important and oldest religious symbols simply because of ignorance (mostly) or arrogance (sometimes) of people from the West in this regard.
In South East Asia, wearing a Swastika (sometimes even a Nazi Swastika which has a completely different design and colour scheme) in public wouldn't get you much attention even if it confuses some people (in case of Nazi Swastika) but wearing the Rising Sun symbol of Imperial Japanese Army in public in the same region wouldn't be good for your health, most of the time.
One of the orders in my fraternity I used to belong to used to have the skull & bones on their uniforms. But once the SS started using it, they stopped using it and switched to something else. Its sad, because it was supposed to symbolize the frailty of mortality, a "memento mori" if you will.
Haven't seen a single hammer, with as many braids you can come up with, that has that 88 in it. This is not heritage it's appropriation and a dog whistle
Nazi dogwhistle, one of the better known ones (so not really an effective dogwhistle anymore). 8th letter of the alphabet is H, so 88 = H.H., which is how Adolf Hitler had Nazi officers sign off telegrams ("Heil the Austrian Failed Painter", I'm not putting those two words together in text).
I asked „What 88?", because there is no „88" on the flag. I assumed the previous comment misunderstood the knotwork, common in Germanic and Celtic artwork, for 8's.
That being said, this flag isn't a dog whistle, it's a Foghorn.
Man, I really like runes. I have a book about it and I have tattoos of them. The first thing that people want to say (not what they actually say right away) is that I look like a neonazi because of those. All because of these people.
All my screen names and everything all had 88 in them. I was born in 88 and think it's the coolest number on a football jersey because it's all filled in.
I used to use 88 as a signoff on chats with Chinese friends. 8 is a lucky number and is pronounced ba, so it sounded like "bubye" and also "good luck", but Hitler had to ruin that too.
Fuck that. Those dildos don't get to claim the American flag, Thor's hammer, and all of Norse mythology. Marvel fans and actual democracy-loving Americans need to fly that shit high and proud and take it back.
Definitely not the same, but on the off chance that you're interested, a heavy band called Green Lung have a patch that says "Nazi Occultists Fuck Off"
"Nazi Punks Fuck Off" is a DKs song. There probably are patches with those words (it's been picked up as a slogan far beyond DK fans), but it started as a song.
I live in Norway and it’s pretty common to see people wearing a Mjølnir and other Norse stuff. Normal people you see everyday in the street. For many people it’s just having a keen interest in history/mythology and our heritage. It’s sad many immediately assume Nazi when seeing such symbols, though one utilizing such symbols in Scandinavia probably has different intentions than one living in America
I've had a valknut for 20 years, and am thankful that it has largely escaped appropriation. Still, it's so infuriating to see any of our symbols so co-opted.
This shit is so ass. I named my kid Odin and got a tattoo of Odin's horns and ravens for him. I feel like I need to get Fuck Nazis tattooed next to it now.
Its not just my username, it is my name and i wanna lean into it but i just don't want to be mistaken by a nazi. Im bald so that doesnt help it either 😅
My valknut is on my right wrist; I have a triquetra on my left, and Huginn and Munin are just above my elbows (visible in T-shirts, covered by short-sleeve button-ups) so I think between the two most people who are at all versed in the symbology get it. As far as I'm aware (though I confess to being ignorant to others sometimes) I've never been mistaken for a Nazi, certainly not approached about it.
I think the most important thing if I were to get the valknut now would be to make sure it wasn't in a vacuum, including or pairing with other, not-yet-coopted symbols (triquetra was already there, Huginn & Muninn came a few years later)
I got the valknut tattooed on my arm. Shortly after I learned that it had been appropriated from a friend of mine. That’s also how I learned that he was one of them.
As a bald white dude, with a few norse style tattoos...just don't. I've been approached by white supremacist dipshits before thinking I'm "one of them".
People see what they want to see. I have tons of comicbook and even a wu-tang tattoo, but they ignored those.
You can see those figure 8 patterns in that part of mjolnir in art that predates Nazis by hundreds of years. It’s not necessarily meant to be 88, but that’s not to say it wasn’t chosen because it looks that way either.
Yeah I don’t know whether this person just thought it was cool and didn’t notice the figure 8 patterns, is actually educated on the subject, or is a Nazi PoS who went “cool! 88!”
Huntington Beach, perhaps? The fact that there are some stylized 8s in there tells me neo-Nazi. But even if they weren't, I'd still probably give this person a wide berth just for my own safety, being Jewish
Literally passed on an amazing apartment just a couple blocks from the beach in HB because my partner is Mexican. I hate that these a-holes can make an entire city basically off limits…
“Finally, another proposal connects Old Norse Mjǫllnir to Old Norse mala meaning 'to grind' and Gothicmalwjan 'to grind', yielding Mjǫllnir as meaning 'the grinder'”. Oh the flag is to display they’re gay. Grindr is a gay dating app
A little bit. I get called a faggot everyday, it still hurts a little but I’m used to it.
To these homophobes however, even slightly implying they could be the least bit not straight will mentally unmake them, and they’ll by crying in their bathroom with the lights off for weeks after.
It’s true. They hate others because they’re scared of themselves.
I grew up 40 kilometers from one of the most important cities during the viking period - Roskilde - in a city connected to the same fjord.
Viking history is a part of my cultural and family heritage.
I am a progressiv liberal and I'm feed up with buttom feeding rightwing Nazi f*cks culturally appropriating my cultural heritage for their own stupid, inhuman, completely unrelated racist b*llshit.
They never had anything to do with the Viking history or culture. Most of them are not even sailors.
Heathenism, a sort of new age quasi religion reconstructed from old mythology, or at least in its image. It originates in the HIGHLY problematic German Volkish movement that was the predecessor to Nazism in germany. Some people claim its not explicitly racist, but a huge amount of its origin comes from 1800s and 1900s german mystics who believed explicitly in a superiority of the white race anti-semitism and were HIGHLY influential to people like Himmler and Hitler, many of the original mystics like Guido Von List (who was extremely racist) were literally just making up most of these symbols, runes and only partially taking from actual mythology. Its where we get a lot of the nazi and white power symbols, these made up runes. You can spot ones like the SS lightning runes right on the page, note that those smybols were never historical,
Fun fact a lot of these mystics talked to ghosts to get their knowledge about this new religion they were basically entirely making up
Just look at how many of these things just have made up runes on them and racist symbols. So the origins of this religion and many of its adherents are just racists, but not all of them
I completely agree, though I’d include the nordicism movement as another white supremacist movement that existed along side the Völkisch movement that helped influence the Nazi usage of the symbols
Could it be? 100% a possibility. Could is also be a random gamer dude that likes Norse mythology and it highly irreverent to flags? Also yes. It is not an inherent Neo-Nazi but there is some overlap.
While Neo-Nazi love using Norse mythology and symbols, it also has a reasonable large place in pop culture. Think of the Marvel movies with Thor and Loki and God of War Ragnarök. If you want more then this, get more context. Does the car in the driveway have a bunch of ultra right wing shit on it or just gamer/pop culture shit?
Yes theres a 88 on the flag which stands for hail hitler. It’s a sad thing that there are so many right wing extremists in this country and that they feel so comfortable right now.
Learn the language, then you get to flex your culture on their lazy hateful asses and talk trash to them in a language they idolize but don't understand!
You can display any other symbol of your Scandinavian heritage instead, it's not like the history of the region began and ended in the viking age. And people that actually live here don't all go around with old Norse stuff on us either
As others have stated, the exact design on this symbol - including what you seem to think is the number “8,” predates the existence of Nazis by over 1,000 years. Accusing someone of being a Nazi is a serious accusation, especially in today’s climate, and you should be damn sure before you jump to conclusions like that.
So he's just very into Norse mythology and also very into nationalism?
I don't want to step on the toes of any Americans who see themselves as expert on Norse mythology, but as an actual Scandinavian I can tell you all clues point towards them being some kind of wannabe Nazi. Sorry to say it
Why are you being downvoted lmao, this is a completed true statement. Not all pagans are racist neo-Nazis. It’s even become a sort of meme that you’re either a gay pagan or a neo-Nazi pagan
I mean seriously. If you take a second and think not everyone is a neo nazi, the world is a good place. It could also be another symbol for jormungandr. The serpent that eats its tail. I could make more reasons that its not racists then you can make it into it.
That does indeed appear to be the right side half exactly. "Canute" by Elgfrothi. This is literally why I asked. I know a lot of the dog whistles but wanted to suss out any other possible meanings. Your Cyber Nations image doesn't look exactly like it. The central knot is different.
Unfortunately neonazis see Nordic people as their racial ideal so they of course ruin it for everyone else interested in old Nordic symbols, mythology and culture for non racist reasons
Nazi propaganda. They invented themselves a lineage from the great (white) viking warriors. (just another example of how 'white culture' is just cultural appropriation.)
This is not a Nazi flag or an allegory to neo-nazism. Those aren't 8's they are just really shitty infinity symbols. And the 16 stripes as opposed to 13 stripes is not an allusion to 14/88, but either 1) a way to bypass U.S Flag Code or 2) shitty A.I generated garbage.
I could be wrong, but to me this just seems like some older guy who's a pagan just wanting some cool flag and just figuring out AI generation.
1.3k
u/Commander_Bread Sep 19 '25
Why 16 stripes? Is this like a custom print of something AI generated?