r/vexillology • u/Assyrian_Nation • Sep 16 '25
Fictional What if there was an Arab version of NATO? Flag concept
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u/Elegant_Individual46 Sep 16 '25
There was a METO but it never really went anywhere
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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25
What does it stand for?
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u/SecretlyASummers Sep 16 '25
Middle Easy Treaty Organization; it renamed itself into CENTO, the Central Treaty Organization. It dissolved after the Iranian Revolution.
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u/enderjed England Sep 16 '25
And the UK was apart of it.
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u/FunCryptographer3476 Sep 16 '25
Like Turkiye in NATO they've gotta have at least one guy that doesn't belong in the team when they name things after a region
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u/gregorydgraham Sep 16 '25
The Mediterranean Sea is an arm of the North Atlantic, do you want to kick out Finland too? /jk
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u/based_and_64_pilled Sep 16 '25
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u/King-Cruz Sep 16 '25
Finally another free thinker who knows the truth about Scandinavia. Too long has big government gotten away with their lies about fake countries
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u/LazarFan69 Sep 16 '25
"Finland isnt real" overplayed, unfunny. "Scandinavia isnt real" novel, pisses off the swedes, justifies Finnish admission into nato
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u/SquiffSquiff Sep 16 '25
Like Czech Republic, Hungary, Luxembourg, North Macedonia, Slovakia?
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u/gregorydgraham Sep 17 '25
While we’re at it, what is Nebraska doing being involved in North Atlantic affairs? Is it even real?
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u/plokimjunhybg Sep 16 '25
Arab League Joint Defence Pact (1950): Already exists on paper, but never functioned as a NATO-style defence system. Members rarely agreed on a common threat.
Baghdad Pact / CENTO (1955): Tried to unite Iraq, Iran, Turkiye, Pakistan, & UK against the USSR; collapsed when Iraq withdrew in 1959.
Peninsula Shield Force (GCC, 1984): Exists, but is small (~40k men) & rarely deployed except in Bahrain 2011.
These show the deep difficulty of sustaining collective Arab / regional defence beyond symbolic levels.
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u/plokimjunhybg Sep 16 '25
It would be the same for DATO due to Political Obstacles, mainly Divergent threat perceptions:
GCC monarchial states mainly see Iran as the security challenge.
Iraq has complicated relations with Iran, & many Iraqi factions are aligned with Tehran.
Mesir focuses on internal security, Sinai, & Libya rather than Gulf issues.
Jordan prioritises economic stability & counterterrorism.
Then there's the Overlapping alliances:
Mesir maintains strong ties with the U.S. and receives $1B+ in military aid yearly.
Jordan is closely tied to U.S. & UK security elements.
Iraq has both U.S. & Iranian influence.
Some GCC states is/was deepening security ties with Israel under the Ibrahim Accords — something Iraq & Mesir might resist in a collective pact.
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u/I_Am_Become_Dream Sep 16 '25
The Peninsula Shield exists for the GCC countries. Though it's only ever been used to quell protests in Bahrain and prop up the unpopular government in 2011.
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u/SpecificMushroom8947 Tatarstan Sep 16 '25
isnt the Arab League already a sort of arab NATO?
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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 16 '25
The Arab League is more like the EU than NATO.
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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 16 '25
After the Qatar diplomatic crisis where most of the Arab League cut ties with Qatar, I'd be shocked to see an organization like this named for Doha.
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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25
That’s old tho. Qatar has restored its relations with Arab countries.
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u/Alikese Lesotho Sep 16 '25
They have restored relations, but they would never name the organization after Doha.
I could see it being something like Quds instad. QADO sounds baller.
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u/Active-Walk-6402 Sep 16 '25
They would definitely settle for a more neutral city. Mecca or Medina would be great options, but the lebanese president is christian and thus would not be able to enter.
Damascus? Beirut? Baghdad? All great options
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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 16 '25
Why a city instead of a unifying geographic feature like the Arabian Peninsula or Gulf (similar to how NATO is named for the North Atlantic)
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u/halfpastnein Sep 17 '25
Quds is pretty neutral and unifying. all other options make it seem like one country dominated the alliance. except for Makkah or Medina, but you already named another reason against that.
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u/ilmimar 20d ago
Mecca and Medina are religiously significant cities but not political centers, I don't think that they would be picked for something like this. Even the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and the Islamic Development Bank are located in Jeddah and not in either of these two cities for example.
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u/ProfessionalShoddy55 Sep 16 '25
side ques—on which software did u absolutely bake this perfect bread m8?
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u/Ok_Butterscotch54 Sep 16 '25
Beautiful design. But what's the name for such a star?
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u/Araucaria Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
(10, 3) decagram, intersection with (10, 4) decagram.
The decahedron has wonderful symmetry. The central angle of 36° means that the radius is the golden ratio with respect to a side. And if you nest one (10, 3) decagram inside another, it is exactly 0.618.. [1/phi] smaller than the first.
(m, n) m-gram syntax means you make a polygon with m sides, then make a star by skipping n sides at a time as you draw from one point to the next.
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u/twistingwords Sep 17 '25
Most informative but least useful answer lol. Do you know if this shape has a name?
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u/tristinDLC Sep 17 '25
The general shape is called a decagram (a 10-pointed star), but there are other "star polygons" that have a different amount of points.
u/Araucaria is saying that OP's final star design is made up of two different decagrams (one where each point is connected at every third one and then another where each point is connected at every fourth).
This specific star pattern does not have a dedicated name, but is simply two base decagrams remixed and tweaked for aesthetics.
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u/antigony_trieste Sep 16 '25
if that flag was real id convert to islam tomorrow
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u/MaxTHC Cascadia • Spain (1936) Sep 16 '25
Least dramatic r/vexillology user
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u/antigony_trieste Sep 18 '25
looks like a bunch of other people are trying to prove you wrong down there lmao
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u/Chry0n Sep 16 '25
you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave
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Sep 16 '25
I think something like this would deliver a complete and effective message for an Arab version of nato:
The Black background: Represents the color of the flag that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ used for battle.
The Hawk of Quraish & The Eagle of Salahuddin: Represent the diversity of Arabs.
Facing one another: Represents Arabs protecting each other.
At the same time, looking beyond one another: Represents watching over the western and eastern fronts of Arab land.
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u/Jk_Ulster_NI Sep 17 '25
God imagine how useless they'd be in a fight.
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u/FlaviusStilicho Sep 19 '25
They would have tons of A grade hardware, but also 50,000 generals and not a single soldier able to fight effectively.
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u/DamnQuickMathz Sep 16 '25
Is Arab an ethnicity or something else?
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u/_sephylon_ Sep 16 '25
Ethnolinguistic group
Arabic is the language, Arab is the people, Arabian is specifically for the Arabian Peninsula
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u/himalayanrebel Sep 16 '25
Wait are Syria and Lebanon not considered Arabic? Curious brown guy over here.
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u/JO_the_first Nepal 12d ago
Arabic is a language. And yes, Syria and Lebanon speak Arabic. This would be enough for 99% of people to consider them Arab.
A good comparison for the background is to the French (Language), 170+ Million Africans in 30+ African countries speak French, but not because they are originally from France, but because France occupied and colonised them.
So, people who hate the Arab/Muslim conquest that imposed its identity will look for their original ethnic identity instead.
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u/Gracien Quebec Sep 16 '25
The MEC (Middle Eastern Coalition) from the video game Battlefield 2:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefield/images/4/43/MEC.jpg
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u/majloppa Sep 16 '25
something that i believe was very possible to happen if the coup in Egypt and rise of the arabist-socio ideologies didn't exist
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u/Sporkpocalypse Sep 17 '25
That's interesting what if world war 2 happened in Arabian territory an alt history variable if so whom would have been Hitler & please don't say it was Israel.
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u/max38576 Sep 17 '25
Most of their weapons are Western-made, meaning they could be controlled, sanctioned, or blocked by the West should military action prove detrimental to Western interests—a significant risk.
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u/Bronzitte_ Sep 17 '25
This is so good and interesting. The colours and the flag are mwah.
Although i don't think Iraq would be here.
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u/Professional_Push_24 Sep 17 '25
Shouldn't it be close to arab revloution flag?
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Flag_of_Hejaz_%281917%29.svg
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u/shdo0365 Sep 16 '25
Why not Syria and Lebanon?
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u/Kevin_LeStrange Sep 16 '25
Probably either because of the Iranian influence (Hezbollah in Lebanon) or the fact that a former jihadist runs things (Syria).
I do notice that Iraq is a member of the organization, and they are currently subject to increasing Iranian influence as well. You'll have to take that up with OP I guess.
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u/Gaiteo Sep 25 '25
I would say the Iranian influence in iraq is waning with Iraq moving more towards America and iran itself weakening on top of US pressure on the Iraqi government
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u/Kevin_LeStrange Sep 25 '25
I sure hope so. It's time for the Ayatollah's proxy empire to fall.
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u/Gaiteo Sep 25 '25
Yeah, irani officials understand what's happening and have been using more patriotic rhetoric and nationalist appeals, seemingly trying to unite Iran and gain their people's approval and support, they're changing the strategy and are trying to make healthy relationships with the region through pragmatic diplomacy and cooperation
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u/Jokkmokkens Sep 16 '25
What’s the meaning of the symbol? Looks to generic to my taste.
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u/JO_the_first Nepal 12d ago
Kinda is. An equivalent to NATO's compass/4-point-star, but from Arab/Islamic ornamentation style. Geomtric art is a very big thing there.







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u/Immediate_Guest_2790 Sep 16 '25
The Arab Defence League flag from my alt designs