r/vexillology Sep 16 '25

Fictional What if there was an Arab version of NATO? Flag concept

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u/Immediate_Guest_2790 Sep 16 '25

The Arab Defence League flag from my alt designs

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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25

I like this one too

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u/naivelySwallow Sep 16 '25

genius symbolism and beautiful aesthetic. perfect.

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u/serioussham Malta Sep 16 '25

i'm dumb, care to explain the symbolism?

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u/TheSlavicWarboss Sep 16 '25

Beautiful design

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u/Tensilen Sep 16 '25

time to salute the true ADL

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u/MiloBem Great Britain (1606) Sep 16 '25

Why nine points?

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u/Hissria Sep 16 '25

9 countries i guess

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u/MiloBem Great Britain (1606) Sep 16 '25

That's a bit risky. When members join or leave it's relatively easy to change number of simple items like stars. This flag would require a serious redesign.

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u/Jowip2 Rondônia • Brazil Sep 16 '25

Do it like the Brics, add a plus sign to the flag

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u/Hissria Sep 16 '25

Yeah, maybe use the 7 point stars instead as it is more synonymous to a lot of things in islam

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u/zatalak Sep 16 '25

This reminds me too much of the Community flag, I like the one OP posted more

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u/HerrArado Sep 19 '25

!wave

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u/FlagWaverBotReborn Sep 19 '25

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u/Elegant_Individual46 Sep 16 '25

There was a METO but it never really went anywhere

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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25

What does it stand for?

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u/SecretlyASummers Sep 16 '25

Middle Easy Treaty Organization; it renamed itself into CENTO, the Central Treaty Organization. It dissolved after the Iranian Revolution. 

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u/enderjed England Sep 16 '25

And the UK was apart of it.

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u/FunCryptographer3476 Sep 16 '25

Like Turkiye in NATO they've gotta have at least one guy that doesn't belong in the team when they name things after a region

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u/gregorydgraham Sep 16 '25

The Mediterranean Sea is an arm of the North Atlantic, do you want to kick out Finland too? /jk

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u/based_and_64_pilled Sep 16 '25

What do you mean kick? Finland has direct access to the Atlantic

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u/King-Cruz Sep 16 '25

Finally another free thinker who knows the truth about Scandinavia. Too long has big government gotten away with their lies about fake countries

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u/LazarFan69 Sep 16 '25

"Finland isnt real" overplayed, unfunny. "Scandinavia isnt real" novel, pisses off the swedes, justifies Finnish admission into nato

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u/based_and_64_pilled Sep 16 '25

Norway? More like NO WAY it fucking exists

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u/SquiffSquiff Sep 16 '25

Like Czech Republic, Hungary, Luxembourg, North Macedonia, Slovakia?

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u/gregorydgraham Sep 17 '25

While we’re at it, what is Nebraska doing being involved in North Atlantic affairs? Is it even real?

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u/halfpastnein Sep 17 '25

nice but you made a slight mistake here. Greenland came out too small.

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u/gregorydgraham Sep 17 '25

Username checks out 😀

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u/Admirable_Impact5230 Sep 18 '25

Tf happened to Sweden and Norway on this map

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u/luk3yd Sep 16 '25

Like Australia in Eurovision?

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u/LightSwarm Sep 17 '25

❤️ thank you!

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u/Few-Audience9921 Sep 17 '25

bro why do we always catch strays

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u/oguzka06 Sep 16 '25

Meto mis huevos en tu boca

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u/pipponirvana Sep 16 '25

Ti METO le palle in bocca

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u/plokimjunhybg Sep 16 '25

Arab League Joint Defence Pact (1950): Already exists on paper, but never functioned as a NATO-style defence system. Members rarely agreed on a common threat.

Baghdad Pact / CENTO (1955): Tried to unite Iraq, Iran, Turkiye, Pakistan, & UK against the USSR; collapsed when Iraq withdrew in 1959.

Peninsula Shield Force (GCC, 1984): Exists, but is small (~40k men) & rarely deployed except in Bahrain 2011.

These show the deep difficulty of sustaining collective Arab / regional defence beyond symbolic levels.

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u/baquea Sep 16 '25

Huh, they actually had a pretty nice flag.

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u/plokimjunhybg Sep 16 '25

It would be the same for DATO due to Political Obstacles, mainly Divergent threat perceptions:

  • GCC monarchial states mainly see Iran as the security challenge.

  • Iraq has complicated relations with Iran, & many Iraqi factions are aligned with Tehran.

  • Mesir focuses on internal security, Sinai, & Libya rather than Gulf issues.

  • Jordan prioritises economic stability & counterterrorism.

Then there's the Overlapping alliances:

  • Mesir maintains strong ties with the U.S. and receives $1B+ in military aid yearly.

  • Jordan is closely tied to U.S. & UK security elements.

  • Iraq has both U.S. & Iranian influence.

  • Some GCC states is/was deepening security ties with Israel under the Ibrahim Accords — something Iraq & Mesir might resist in a collective pact.

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u/BetaThetaOmega Sep 16 '25

Wasn’t that the thing people started saying bc of Harvey Weinstein?

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u/PierreWxP Sep 16 '25

Finally a good fucking flag. That deep colour omg...

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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25

Nothing more beautiful than a rich deep green blue or red

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u/Sparky_321 Sep 16 '25

There was. It was called METO.

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u/I_Am_Become_Dream Sep 16 '25

The Peninsula Shield exists for the GCC countries. Though it's only ever been used to quell protests in Bahrain and prop up the unpopular government in 2011.

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u/SpecificMushroom8947 Tatarstan Sep 16 '25

isnt the Arab League already a sort of arab NATO?

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u/Scary_Ad_7755 Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

no not really, more of an arab UN.

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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 16 '25

The Arab League is more like the EU than NATO.

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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25

But completely ineffective. The GCC is more like it

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u/LightSwarm Sep 17 '25

Like the EU… right…

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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 16 '25

After the Qatar diplomatic crisis where most of the Arab League cut ties with Qatar, I'd be shocked to see an organization like this named for Doha.

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u/Assyrian_Nation Sep 16 '25

That’s old tho. Qatar has restored its relations with Arab countries.

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u/Alikese Lesotho Sep 16 '25

They have restored relations, but they would never name the organization after Doha.

I could see it being something like Quds instad. QADO sounds baller.

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u/Active-Walk-6402 Sep 16 '25

They would definitely settle for a more neutral city. Mecca or Medina would be great options, but the lebanese president is christian and thus would not be able to enter.

Damascus? Beirut? Baghdad? All great options

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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 16 '25

Why a city instead of a unifying geographic feature like the Arabian Peninsula or Gulf (similar to how NATO is named for the North Atlantic)

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u/halfpastnein Sep 17 '25

Quds is pretty neutral and unifying. all other options make it seem like one country dominated the alliance. except for Makkah or Medina, but you already named another reason against that.

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u/ilmimar 20d ago

Mecca and Medina are religiously significant cities but not political centers, I don't think that they would be picked for something like this. Even the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and the Islamic Development Bank are located in Jeddah and not in either of these two cities for example.

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u/ProfessionalShoddy55 Sep 16 '25

side ques—on which software did u absolutely bake this perfect bread m8?

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u/Ok_Butterscotch54 Sep 16 '25

Beautiful design. But what's the name for such a star?

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u/Araucaria Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

(10, 3) decagram, intersection with (10, 4) decagram.

The decahedron has wonderful symmetry. The central angle of 36° means that the radius is the golden ratio with respect to a side. And if you nest one (10, 3) decagram inside another, it is exactly 0.618.. [1/phi] smaller than the first.

(m, n) m-gram syntax means you make a polygon with m sides, then make a star by skipping n sides at a time as you draw from one point to the next.

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u/twistingwords Sep 17 '25

Most informative but least useful answer lol. Do you know if this shape has a name?

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u/tristinDLC Sep 17 '25

The general shape is called a decagram (a 10-pointed star), but there are other "star polygons" that have a different amount of points.

u/Araucaria is saying that OP's final star design is made up of two different decagrams (one where each point is connected at every third one and then another where each point is connected at every fourth).

This specific star pattern does not have a dedicated name, but is simply two base decagrams remixed and tweaked for aesthetics.

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u/antigony_trieste Sep 16 '25

if that flag was real id convert to islam tomorrow

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u/MaxTHC Cascadia • Spain (1936) Sep 16 '25

Least dramatic r/vexillology user

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u/antigony_trieste Sep 18 '25

looks like a bunch of other people are trying to prove you wrong down there lmao

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u/Chry0n Sep 16 '25

you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave

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u/arm1niu5 Sep 16 '25

METO may be dead but it did happen.

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u/navagrw Sep 16 '25

Where (if) did you take inspiration from? (

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u/halfpastnein Sep 17 '25

nato, perhaps.

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u/FonzoFC Sep 16 '25

Love it

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u/KingAutismo69 Sep 16 '25

Their armies would still be useless

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u/DermicBuffalo20 Sep 16 '25

It reminds me of a star fort

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u/Upstairs_Cap_4217 Sep 16 '25

That member list looks a bit short.

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u/chikabow Portugal (1830) • Lisbon Sep 16 '25

Banger design

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u/Pryd3r1 Sep 16 '25

What program do you use to design flags?

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

I think something like this would deliver a complete and effective message for an Arab version of nato:

  • The Black background: Represents the color of the flag that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ used for battle.

  • The Hawk of Quraish & The Eagle of Salahuddin: Represent the diversity of Arabs.

  • Facing one another: Represents Arabs protecting each other.

  • At the same time, looking beyond one another: Represents watching over the western and eastern fronts of Arab land.

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u/AnimeGirl6868419 Sep 16 '25

Instantly invaded by America

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u/RedGutkaSpit South Yemen Sep 16 '25

Oman likes to be a peacebroker, so they would remain neutral.

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u/DrizzlyBear10 Sep 16 '25

Reminds me of Lincoln Nebraska flag lol

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u/AymanMarzuqi Selangor Sep 17 '25

I really like your design here

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u/ParalimniX Sep 17 '25

-Help habibis I am being invaded

-Good

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u/Jk_Ulster_NI Sep 17 '25

God imagine how useless they'd be in a fight.

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u/FlaviusStilicho Sep 19 '25

They would have tons of A grade hardware, but also 50,000 generals and not a single soldier able to fight effectively.

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u/SongBitter5659 Sep 16 '25

problem is, they hate each other more than they hate the jews

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u/DamnQuickMathz Sep 16 '25

Is Arab an ethnicity or something else?

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u/_sephylon_ Sep 16 '25

Ethnolinguistic group

Arabic is the language, Arab is the people, Arabian is specifically for the Arabian Peninsula

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u/himalayanrebel Sep 16 '25

Wait are Syria and Lebanon not considered Arabic? Curious brown guy over here.

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u/JO_the_first Nepal 12d ago

Arabic is a language. And yes, Syria and Lebanon speak Arabic. This would be enough for 99% of people to consider them Arab.

A good comparison for the background is to the French (Language), 170+ Million Africans in 30+ African countries speak French, but not because they are originally from France, but because France occupied and colonised them.

So, people who hate the Arab/Muslim conquest that imposed its identity will look for their original ethnic identity instead. 

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u/himalayanrebel 12d ago

Aah I c I c thanks for the #TIL!!

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u/JO_the_first Nepal 12d ago

My pleasure. 

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u/KojinaSama Sep 16 '25

This looks so dope I might just steal the design...

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u/LordKolkonut Sep 16 '25

gorgeous flag fr

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u/LibraryVoice71 Sep 16 '25

Very clever that it seems to incorporate the word “date”

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u/Sensitive-Leg-1173 Sep 16 '25

Cool flag will be fantastic with a cool anthem

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u/Gracien Quebec Sep 16 '25

The MEC (Middle Eastern Coalition) from the video game Battlefield 2:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefield/images/4/43/MEC.jpg

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u/Sad-Film5679 Sep 16 '25

Why syria not in it?

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u/Zayn5939 Palestine Sep 16 '25

Bro caught the wind

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u/rezein Sep 16 '25

I think Syria, Lebanon, oman and yemen would be part of it too.

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u/A_dArk_lEmOn Sep 16 '25

Is it meant to look like a star fort?

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u/majloppa Sep 16 '25

something that i believe was very possible to happen if the coup in Egypt and rise of the arabist-socio ideologies didn't exist

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u/No-Order-5568 Sep 16 '25

WORLD WAR SPEEDRUN

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u/Familiar_Tell_6384 India Sep 16 '25

Wait isn’t the Arab League just Arab NATO

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u/DrexleCorbeau Sep 17 '25

I see the chaos symbol from Warhammer 40k xD

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u/Sporkpocalypse Sep 17 '25

That's interesting what if world war 2 happened in Arabian territory an alt history variable if so whom would have been Hitler & please don't say it was Israel.

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u/max38576 Sep 17 '25

Most of their weapons are Western-made, meaning they could be controlled, sanctioned, or blocked by the West should military action prove detrimental to Western interests—a significant risk.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '25

I hope iran succeeds making an alliance with arab countries.

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u/Dambo_Unchained Sep 17 '25

Wouldn’t it be M.E.T.O?

Middle Eastern Treaty Organisation

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u/GeoGuru32 Australia • New Zealand Sep 17 '25

I love the flag! Beautiful colours

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u/Bronzitte_ Sep 17 '25

This is so good and interesting. The colours and the flag are mwah.
Although i don't think Iraq would be here.

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u/zh_rblx Cascadia Sep 17 '25

OIC lad

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u/halfpastnein Sep 17 '25

what are the reasons that Yemen, Sudan, Syria and Lebanon were excluded?

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u/sad_everyday811 Sep 18 '25

The flag is super cool either way

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u/Mind-Jacked Sep 18 '25

Don’t forget to include Palpatine!

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u/somenewname4me Israel Sep 18 '25

The flag's nice

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u/AdQueasy3629 Sep 18 '25

Why Yemen doesn't included?

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u/makkaravalo Sep 20 '25

Sounds more indian

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u/ShadowDevoloper United States • Alabama Sep 22 '25

ooh that's a pretty flag. cool symbolism too

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u/sybautspmofrfr Sep 23 '25

This is sick

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u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 Sep 23 '25

Arab NATO should invade Israel

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u/fianthewolf Sep 16 '25

And what is the Arab League?

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u/Odd-Initiative6666 Sep 16 '25

Much more similar to the UN than NATO.

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u/SeaTurtle42 Sep 17 '25

They would probably start a war with each other.

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u/Slipperypotatoe- Sep 18 '25

National Arabic Terroristic Organization, welcome and sit down!

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

Would show beheading journalist who doesn't agree with arab bad humanity record?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

There is, it’s called ISIS

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u/Maz16r Sep 16 '25

Israel will whoop the whole middle east ass before letting this happen

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u/shdo0365 Sep 16 '25

Why not Syria and Lebanon?

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u/Kevin_LeStrange Sep 16 '25

Probably either because of the Iranian influence (Hezbollah in Lebanon) or the fact that a former jihadist runs things (Syria). 

I do notice that Iraq is a member of the organization, and they are currently subject to increasing Iranian influence as well. You'll have to take that up with OP I guess.

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u/Gaiteo Sep 25 '25

I would say the Iranian influence in iraq is waning with Iraq moving more towards America and iran itself weakening on top of US pressure on the Iraqi government

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u/Kevin_LeStrange Sep 25 '25

I sure hope so. It's time for the Ayatollah's proxy empire to fall. 

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u/Gaiteo Sep 25 '25

Yeah, irani officials understand what's happening and have been using more patriotic rhetoric and nationalist appeals, seemingly trying to unite Iran and gain their people's approval and support, they're changing the strategy and are trying to make healthy relationships with the region through pragmatic diplomacy and cooperation

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u/Jokkmokkens Sep 16 '25

What’s the meaning of the symbol? Looks to generic to my taste.

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u/JO_the_first Nepal 12d ago

Kinda is. An equivalent to NATO's compass/4-point-star, but from Arab/Islamic ornamentation style. Geomtric art is a very big thing there.