r/vexillology • u/Ambitious-Impress583 • Aug 25 '25
Identify Obviously a German flag, but is it a nazi flag?
Best picture I could get as I was driving. I looked online as I thought it might be a WW1 era German flag, but I didn’t find match. Is it possible it’s a nazi flag?
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u/General_Spills Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 26 '25
This is not an official Nazi flag, but rather the Nazi war flag with the swastika swapped for a Prussian eagle. Clearly meant to be a Nazi flag but without being super explicit.
To all the commenters saying that it’s a pre Nazi reichskriegsflagge, Wikipedia has a helpful list of all reichkriegsflaages. It is not there. I would however be happy to be proven wrong.
To all the people saying that it’s “just history” and not a dogwhistle, you are wrong. If you genuinely think that then you are either naive and sheltered or you are yourself dog whistling.
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u/feochampas Aug 25 '25
It's because they are too effective. If you kill too many people at once there is really no one around to mourn or avenge their loss.
You gotta leave survivors.
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u/Disastrous_Talk5250 Aug 26 '25
Swap out the word ' white' in supremacy to any other color and this statement still holds true. Racial supremacy in general is a stupid, invalid concept.
Some think insults to another racial community hides their racism and makes them fit in with the 'popular' opinion. But in fact it highlights it.
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u/Noremac55 Aug 26 '25
Yes! The statement holds for ANY ethnic supremacy movement.
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u/hari_shevek Aug 25 '25
Subtlety befitting a German guy
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u/Dovahkiinthesardine Aug 25 '25
That guy is 100% not German lol
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u/hari_shevek Aug 25 '25
Flying the German Republic flag next to the Can't believe it's not Nazi flag without being German is even stupider.
Which would be very American, so possible.
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u/KrydasTheDragon Aug 25 '25
Possibly an American with german roots. You know how they are with their "hErATiGe"
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Aug 25 '25
I love how you misspelled "heritage," even if it wasn't on purpose. It just drives home how fucking stupid those people are.
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u/KrydasTheDragon Aug 25 '25
Sorry English is not my native language and i'm dislexic. Also the autocorrect does not help
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u/Pm_me_your_tits_85 Aug 26 '25
Yeah I’m thinking it’s someone with German “heritage” i.e. 23andMe says he’s of 12% German descent.
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u/stamfordbridge1191 Aug 26 '25
When a guy claims to not be a Nazi by saying he's a monarchist, before describing his ideal kaiser to be exactly like the Fuehrer (without asking him to because you could already tell.)
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u/Previous_Knowledge91 Aug 26 '25
Hitler himself didn't like the Kaiser, blaming him for WWI loss.
However, when Kaiser died in German occupied Netherlands in 1941, Hitler wanted to give him a state funeral in Berlin (for propaganda purposes), but Kaiser didn't want to go back to Germany unless the monarchy is restored. He was buried in a small ceremony attended by Nazi officials in the Netherlands, including the Reichkomissar, and against his wishes of not displaying Nazi regalia, which displayed during the ceremony.
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u/Yankee_Doodle_Dampf Aug 25 '25
In a similar vein, what is it with facists preferring their chosen brand of bigotry’s naval ensign over the national flag?
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u/Mein_Bergkamp Scotland Aug 25 '25
Plausible deniability.
Everyone knows national flags (especially the swastika), you've got to be either a histry buff or a fellow nazi to know the naval ensign.
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u/Islandfiddler15 Aug 25 '25
Or you play Hoi4, in which case you are both
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u/Mein_Bergkamp Scotland Aug 25 '25
Luckily I get my genocide off CK3 like proper people
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u/veovis523 Aug 26 '25
It's Stellaris that's optimized for genocide. CK3 is for incest.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp Scotland Aug 26 '25
No, no, no.
Stellaris is genocide, HOI is genocide, CK3 is genocide and incest which is why it's the superior game.
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u/Crashbrennan Aug 25 '25
Less people know it to call them out, but their fellow fascists recognize it.
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u/pgm123 Aug 25 '25
The "Confederate flag" is close to the second navy jack of the CSA. But it's more accurate to say that both are the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (aka the CSA Battle Flag) stretched out.
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u/LordGordy32 Aug 25 '25
This is Reichskriegsflagge until 1918. So till end of WW1
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u/Monotask_Servitor Aug 26 '25
Wasn’t the Kriegsflagge usually on a white background before the Nazi regime though? The red definitely makes it look more like a very clearly audible dog whistle.
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u/LordGordy32 Aug 26 '25
You are absolutely right.
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u/Monotask_Servitor Aug 26 '25
Yeah as more knowledgeable people than me have pointed out elsewhere in this thread it appears that this particular combo never actually existed in Germany, it’s just a combo of the old Kriegsflagge with the Nazi colours to make a Nazi lite flag.
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u/ChrissWayne Aug 25 '25
If it’s in Germany then it’s to clearly show that you’re a Nazi but it’s not legal with swastika so you choose stuff like this
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u/hari_shevek Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
German guy here: While I dont know this specific flag it is safe to assume that any German flag with the red-white-black color scheme is either nazi or nazi light.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht
It's the Reichskriegsflagge in the colors of the Third Reich, but replacing the swastika with an eagle for legal reasons.
So, nazi.
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u/IronWhale_JMC Aug 25 '25
A Nazi and a Coward
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u/hari_shevek Aug 25 '25
Tbf, I don't like the full-arsed ones either
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u/TheOGStonewall Anarchism Aug 26 '25
But at least the full-arsed ones self identify to either avoid them or specifically not avoid them
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u/Fezzick51 Aug 25 '25
or worse, a _vampire_ nazi...
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u/KrydasTheDragon Aug 25 '25
Or a cyborg one
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u/breadoftheoldones Aug 25 '25
Why was he a cyborg?
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I once watched an interview with a young man from Kiel (city in northern Germany) who was proud to be a national socialist and asked about his opinion to something Neo-Nazis had done (planted a bomb or something).
And he kind of said “I want the Nazi rule to return in Germany. But this is not the way to do it. This [bomb] is simply stupidity. I am a Nazi by conviction. But I am not an idiot to believe I can reach my goal through terrorism.”
I do not like his conviction. But I liked the honesty of him.
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u/mx-qw3rty Aug 25 '25
ehhh don’t be fooled, he either doesn’t know what Nazis are and want to do, or he is laundering his opinions to seem more honest and respectable than he is.
So he is either terribly confused and hurting people in the process, or he is strategically advancing his political agenda; it’d be foolish to advocate for terrorism against Germans on German public television, it’d be hard to find someone sense enough to do that.
Either way an awful person though
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u/Fl4mb0_Nr5 Aug 25 '25
Other german guy here: if it is red-white-black it is either a nazi flag, a nazi-ish flag or a imperial flag, which in germany also lables you at least as a far right person and nazi-sympathizer which is understandable given germanys imperial history and imperial ambitions back in the day
Edit: there is also the red-white-black naval flag of the weimar republic, but it has a little black-red-gold flag up in the left corner
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u/scubaorbit Aug 25 '25
Legality is not an issue here (seems to be in New York state somewhere) . We've got free speech. But besides being a Nazi idiot he's also a coward for altering the flag so his allegiance is not immediately known. They used to be a nightmare, now they are a bunch of circus clown. It's so pathetic it's almost sad again. Almost.
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u/freier_Trichter Aug 26 '25
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u/Reasonable_Tree684 Aug 26 '25
US Customs and Border Protection claim the denial of entry was for admitted drug use. Maybe you’re right and they’re lying though.
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u/Proud-Wall1443 Aug 25 '25
Would it be illegal to fly in Germany?
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u/TheWaffleHimself Aug 25 '25
The point of this flag it's a Nazi war banner with the swastika replaced with an eagle so that it's not illegal but still very obvious
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u/Shadrol Bavaria • United States Aug 25 '25
Even altered symbols are banned, if they exert the same effect. Additionally even the legal imperial war flag can be confiscated, if used for public endangerment.
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u/Proud-Wall1443 Aug 25 '25
It was meant to be a litmus test. I understand Germany has very strict laws about this kinda thing. If it's illegal in Germany, it's definitely nazi symbolism.
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u/joergsi Aug 25 '25
All official symbols of the NSDAP are banned from public use in Germany, with exceptions allowed only for clearly defined historical, educational, or artistic purposes.
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u/Fisch0557 Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
Kinda. The Reichskriegsflagge of Nazi Germany would be really illegal, the Reichskriegsflagge of the Weimar republic and the Kaiser on its own would not be, unless in combination with anything else that makes it Nazi related, like carrying it around at a WW2 Memorial Site.
However, this is neither. This is the illegal 3rd Reich one, but the Swastika is replaced with the Prussian eagle as would be the case in the WW1/Kaiser one. The North German Confederation/German Reich/Weimar Republic one is always a black cross on white background, never red, so that excuse is also off the table.
So I think it's safe to say they would most likely confiscate it and still charge anyone carrying that around as if it were the Nazi times Reichskriegsflagge.
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u/Herald_of_Clio Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
This is a Nazi flag for people who are too scared to fly one with a swastika. That mostly red colour scheme is not Imperial German, but Third Reich. They just removed the swastika and replaced it with an Imperial German/Prussian eagle.
And by the way, even actual Imperial German flags are kinda sus, because they're often misused by far-right types for similar reasons: you want to fly a Nazi flag, but are scared to, so you settle for the flag of another (but slightly less despised) right-wing authoritarian German regime to signal that you politically lean in that direction without being as overt.
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u/Neethis Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 26 '25
This is a Nazi flag for people who are too scared to fly one with a swastika.
How long until they're no longer afraid, do we think...?
Edit: well there we go then
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u/brandoldme Aug 26 '25
And I think, maybe we should help them out? Go up and put an actual Nazi flag up in the middle of the night to let their neighbors know?
That would be illegal. But a legal option would be to stand out front of their house on the public right of way with a sign that says "Yes, indeed, that is a Nazi flag for anybody wondering."
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u/Declan1996Moloney Aug 25 '25
Yeah, German Eagle on the Nazi War Flag
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u/breadoftheoldones Aug 25 '25
God I hate that every symbol of my ansestors Country got pirated and corrupted by those shitheads. And now they are trying to become a big influence again… Its so frustraiting
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u/greengengar Aug 26 '25
There was a girl who caught wind that my grandparents were German immigrants, and she began taking about Nordic shit, like a lot. I told her to stop and she was like, "but you're German, don't you like this stuff?" I was like that ain't my people, that's Nazi appropriation. The shock on her face was pretty good. You would think a Jewish person would try to understand the difference.
It kinda goes both ways.
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u/harexe Aug 26 '25
It's so annoying, anything except the modern black-red-gold flag got taken over by right wingers and nazis
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u/Declan1996Moloney Aug 25 '25
Yeah, especially Runes
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u/breadoftheoldones Aug 25 '25
Yeah runes, Symbols, the names and deeds of our old kings. All hijacked and deformed into there „Übermensch“ narativ. Makes my blood boil
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u/Declan1996Moloney Aug 25 '25
It's because the Nazis wanted to link themselves to Nordic Mythology
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u/Winkelbottum Aug 25 '25
In this context, it's definitely a nazi flag...
Neo-nazis swap swastikas and like with imperial german signia to circumvent laws that ban nazi symbolism.
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u/spaltavian Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
The license plate on the car indicates this is located in the US. America does not ban Nazi symbolism due to the First Amendment protection of political speech. The person flying the flag just wants to avoid the social consequences of flying a swastika (or less likely, believes this to just be an Imperial flag.)
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u/Ok_Price7529 Aug 26 '25
What are the chances of the person being one of those Americans that say they are some nationality because they happen to be 1/8th that nationality?
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u/MrMcPsychoReal Ireland • England Aug 25 '25
It's "not a nazi" flag. It's a combination of Imperial and Nazi German iconography used by neo Nazis, Nazi fanatics, Weraboos, whatever you want to call them. The use of the actual German flag alongside it makes me think this is an American neo Nazi, who has maybe 12% German heritage, desperately keen to express their views while trying their best to make it seem like an innocent interest in military history.
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u/gelastes Aug 25 '25
Flying those two flags together is testimony of a mind unbothered by higher-level cognitive functions.
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u/AutomaticOrder3635 Aug 26 '25
It goes beyond that, judging from the text you can see on the flag it's actually the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold Flag, which stands for liberal democracy even more explicitly than the normal federal flag
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u/llamafarmadrama Yorkshire Aug 25 '25
It's as good as damnit a Nazi flag. That specific version of the reichskreigsflagge (though with a swastika rahter than an eagle) was personally designed by hitler.
The only reason this one doesn't have a swastika is because like all neo nazis, it's owner is a coward.
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u/Big_Ad_6039 Chubut • Basque Country Aug 25 '25
Not only nazi but also a fucking coward since they wanna use possible denial as an excuse
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u/sometimesifeellikemu Aug 25 '25
Doesn't matter if the homeowner thinks it's a Nazi flag. And they do. And it is.
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u/Mittagsfleisch Aug 25 '25
Greetings from Eastern Gernany. This is not a "real" nazi flag but is 1000% intended to offend and be seen as such. No doubt whatsoever. If the flag was in a SpiegelTV documentary at any point - it's problematic. Simple
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u/Odd-Principle8147 Afghanistan Aug 25 '25
Yeah. The Reichskriegsflagge. Neo-Nazis use the imperial eagle instead of the swastika.
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u/Darkonikto Aug 25 '25
It’s a the Nazi naval flag, they just swapped the swastika for the Prussian eagle. It’s very likely they’re Nazis and they just did that to make the flag technically legal.
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u/RequirementPrior4442 Aug 25 '25
Don't know if it's an official nazi flag, but I'm getting a rough idea of the character of whoever lives there.
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u/grimmigerpetz Aug 25 '25
It is a mix of the Imperial WW1 Reichskriegsflagge and Weimar Republik Reichskriegsflagge and the Nazi Reichskriegsflagge.
Seems some smartass thought he could get off the hook for Nazi symbolism with it.
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u/bash5tar Aug 25 '25
I don't think it's an actual historic flag. It seems to combind the Nazi's Naval ensign of Kriegsmarine .svg)(naval unit) with the Prussian Imperial flags. So it's basically a nazi flag that swapped the swastika with the eagle. Common thing to do among Neo-Nazis in Germany because it is prohibited to show a swastika.
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u/Serranosking Aug 25 '25
They’re not even brave enough to display their own colors…
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u/Shepher27 Aug 25 '25
It’s a flag flown by Nazis to hide behind so people can’t call them Nazis
Any German flags in black, red, and white are automatically suspect
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u/TechnicfreakHD North Rhine-Westphalia Aug 25 '25
Not technically, but that’s probably the intention. Plausible deniability
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u/Few_Introduction9919 Aug 25 '25
Either a nizi or some kind of weird kaiserrei h nationalist
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u/upinsnakes Aug 25 '25
Definitely a Nazi. But they're too afraid to put up a Swastika. So they put up that fake thing.
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u/enderforlife Aug 25 '25
What part of the country is this from? This guy is literally flying a nazi adjacent flag in front of his house declaring to the neighborhood that he thinks all the Americans who fought and died in the Second World War were wrong to do so.
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u/Hellstorm901 Aug 25 '25
There’s something written on the bottom of the German flag on the right
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u/869066 United States Aug 25 '25
It's a Nazi flag but they replaced the swastika with the eagle so it's a bit less obvious. Still definitely a hate flag though.
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u/GamerBoixX Aug 25 '25
Its the nazi war flag but they didnt want to be shamed as nazis so they changed the swastika for the prussian eagle so when they get confronted they can use the shitty attempt of an excuse of the prussian eagle to say they are not nazis, that or they live in a country that outright bans the nazi flag so that's the best thing they can get
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u/AlexFRD Aug 25 '25
This is the first time I have seen a "is this a Nazi flag" post where the answer is actually yes [kinda].
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u/kravi_kaloshi Aug 26 '25
As a German, the most ridiculous about this photo is that he is also flying the (current) flag of the federal republic of Germany, and as it seems even with the first line of the German anthem "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit" which translates to "unity and righteousness and freedom". This flag and anthem stand for the opposite values than that ugly ass flag and probably the asshole flying it.
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u/_Troxin_ Aug 26 '25
Yes, but No, but Yes, but No....
It is the Warflag of the third Reich with the swastika swapped for an eagle. This flag never existed in history but we all know what it supposed to mean withoud showing any evil symbol.
There you have an asshole that´s too afraid to show that he´s and asshole.
Please do me a favor and leave a big fat steaming sticky dump on this porch.
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u/Hikinghawk Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
It's one of those "technically not a Nazi flag" flags that are used exclusively by, you guessed it, Nazis.
Hard to tell exactly which branch, but looks like one of the war flags used by the Heer/Luftwaffe/Kreigsmarine between 1935 and 1945, but with the swastika replaced by the German Imperial Eagle. Swapping in the eagle or Iron Cross is a common way for fascists to get around bans on swastikas or say "No see we don't have that we are wanting to bring back Imperial Germany!"