r/vegancirclejerk • u/imnotokayandthatso-k vegan • Apr 28 '26
ANIMAL RIGHTS MONDAYS Why does every stupid love the earth vegan have a dog slave it makes no sense.
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u/elijaaaaah pescatarian Apr 28 '26
/uj I mostly agree with the post itself, but the title has me a bit confused -- I think we're generally adopting them from shelters/rescues, never met a pro-breeding vegan
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u/Lazy_Composer6990 Pesca-ostro-lacto-ovo-pollotarian Apr 28 '26
/uj While OP is royally showing themself up in the comments, a lot of people identifying as vegan will be pro-breeding when it comes to work/service dogs
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u/Skryuska MnGrnVgne Apr 28 '26
/uj count me as a vegan who is against breeding dogs specifically for work/service. Service dogs do not get the freedom or “time off” that pet dogs are meant to, because they’re considered medical “equipment” and the owners are often not able to play with their dog or take them out to just be a dog. A close family friend has gone through 3 seeing eye dogs now and they have all lived the most boring lives possible. They only go out when the owner needs them, and they never get to just run around or play in an open space. They’re “off-duty” at home, and nobody ever played with them. I felt so bad for these expensive as fuck dogs.
Working dogs are also just rarely breed-specific; some dogs are better at certain things than others, but it’s rarely breed. You’d rather a larger dog like a GSD or Lab for search and rescue over a Maltese, but any decent medium-large dog can pass the same tests (and fail, as the standard breeds can too) in order to perform the duties that they are tasked with. Most “dog jobs” aren’t ethical either, like k9 and hunting, so I don’t give a fuck about the “need” for them either.
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u/ArgentaSilivere vegan for the vibes Apr 29 '26
/uj I think your friend just isn’t a “dog person” or doesn’t care that they’re a living being who wants joy and relaxation as much as anyone. I know a service dog user and a service dog trainer; the trainer trains rescues and all the service dogs she’s trained get time off every day to just be a puppy doing puppy things. Even when they graduate into working professionals they get play time almost daily and “sick days” where they just stay home being a potato if they aren’t feeling up to being helpful. The majority of disabled people can at least toss a ball a few feet a couple times a day so their service animal can have a bit of fun after work. It just takes a little bit to give the animal who enables you to be independent and have a life a balanced, meaningful existence.
I’m still upset that they’re legally classified as “medical equipment”; they’re alive for fucks sake! Home health aides and nurses aren’t “medical equipment”! Basically all of our legislation regarding nonhuman animals needs to be overhauled. Even the most dedicated carnists still get upset that animal abusers get misdemeanors instead of felonies. You see them out in force on any Reddit thread where someone’s companion animal was intentionally maimed or killed.
/rj When service animals are too old to be useful at least you can turn them into dog steaks. 😋
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u/Skryuska MnGrnVgne Apr 30 '26
/uj Sounds like the folks you know are far more proactive on treating the dog like actual living dogs and not hairy oxygen tanks. I wish I saw that more often where I live but it’s bizarrely common that the pups are treated and trained well by the trainers but the “users” are more adamant that the dogs are a tool. Then there’s at least when it comes to those who live alone and are legally blind or in wheelchairs, they just don’t consider the dogs’ need for joy and playing; I don’t expect a blind person to play fetch with their dog off-leash anymore than a person using a wheelchair to go for a jog around the block with their dog.. but there should be some part of the service that enlists a trainer or someone to take the dog out on short excursions or play breaks at least weekly. :(
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u/fasoi only eat the uglies ✌🏻 Apr 29 '26
Aren’t service dogs often rescues? It’s just a training program iirc
As for work dogs… if your industry can’t survive without slavery, it shouldn’t exist. And that applies to sooo many human-labor industries as well (e.g. fast fashion)
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 29 '26
No they're not. But even if they were it wouldn't be relevant. You'd still be commodifying and enslaving them to fulfill tasks for your pleasure. They can't consent to doing labor for humans.
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u/huteno Apr 29 '26
I'm confused. I thought the shelters were for storing food, not companions.
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u/elijaaaaah pescatarian Apr 29 '26
That's the Great Value stuff. Elwood would only use the finest purebreds, of course.
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u/Delophosaur it’s my personal choice to beat my wife Apr 28 '26
You’re ok breeding some dogs and you’re on vcj? 😭
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u/Numerous-Macaroon224 carnivore Apr 28 '26
Your submission breaks rule #1:
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
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u/imnotokayandthatso-k vegan Apr 28 '26
/uj That's like saying eating meat is okay because the animal is already dead when it would otherwise be discarded
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u/rodinsleftarm vegan-keto Apr 28 '26
/uj genuinely curious as to what the alternative would be if its not adopting animals from shelters?
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u/Hhalloush omnivore Apr 28 '26
They'd prefer shelter dogs be released into the streets or put to death, I suppose?
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u/imnotokayandthatso-k vegan Apr 28 '26
Every single time I say this, someone on the internet goes to this strawman its hilarious. Sorry not everyone gives you your "hero" medal for participating in the puppy mill to shelter industrial complex.
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u/Hhalloush omnivore Apr 28 '26
I'm not participating in the "puppy mill shelter industrial complex", I don't have a dog.
Vegans don't (shouldn't) support breeding more animals, most of them agree with you on this. What do the dogs which are already alive (and living in shelters) have to do with that?
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u/imnotokayandthatso-k vegan Apr 28 '26
The same way more bicycle lanes induce bike traffic the more people abandon their dogs or feel it is okay to abandon them, which increases dog ownership in people who are less morally or ethically inclined.
This structural and legal "bike lane" increases demand in breeders and availability in shelters who can only pick up new dogs when people "rescue" a dog. It is (un)virtuous cycle of dog production.
Dog rescuers are therefore unwitting victims and participants in the mass proliferation of dog suffering until laws are changed.
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u/kierabs vegan Apr 28 '26
Absolutely not. This is like saying that if abortion were illegal, no one would get abortions. They would.
Shelters do not create demand. They meet a need.
In my 25 years of veganism, this is the most wild take I’ve seen from a vegan. Congrats!
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u/Defiant-Plantain1873 low-carbon Apr 28 '26
OP type of person who genuinely believes that PETA murders dogs en masse and not just that they run last resort shelters so get all the animals rejected from other shelters
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u/Hhalloush omnivore Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I don't think I agree with this, or you could say that orphanages are inducing demand for people to abandon their human children.
If people are willing to get rid of a family member (in this case a dog) I doubt it's the presence of shelters which is making that difference. Many shelter dogs are taken from the streets where they're released or from homes they're left behind in.
We both agree that the laws should be made about abandoning dogs and breeding them, but all of the shelters I've interacted with are non-profit organisations with decent people working there. The dogs who end up there aren't making money for the shelter or for the person who leaves them.
Just like with humans, you could have a shady child trafficking organisation, and a proper orphanage. Don't adopt a child from the first one and I don't see the issue
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u/Dawpps Supplements are Food Apr 28 '26
Do you think shelters are paying breeders for dogs? Shelters do not make profit, and dropping off a dog at the shelter costs YOU money.
If all shelters were too full I promise breeders would not stop breeding dogs, they'd just dump the ones they can't sell on the street rather than at a shelter.
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u/RippleEffectt vegan-keto Apr 28 '26
Uj/ Braindead argument. That’s the same logic that people use to argue against things like gender-affirming care, abortion access, and safe access/disposal of needles for injectable narcotics. The existence of these things does not encourage the circumstances that necessitate them. They exist to mitigate harm. People will abandon, abuse, or overbreed dogs. There needs to be structures in place to rescue and rehome them. The alternative is to leave those dogs to suffer. If you are vegan, you should care about minimizing these animal’s suffering.
J/ As a person who rescues dogs from shelters to eat, I know this is one of the few ethical ways to get my protein.
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u/hydroboywife cannibal Apr 28 '26
adopting from a shelter isn't the only way to aquire an animal though
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u/kiefy_budz survives on green leaves Apr 28 '26
So do we adopt them or kill them? What other option is there?
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u/kangaroosterLP if u ACTUALLY cared about animals u'd protect them from rubbish Apr 28 '26
"Tightly regulating dog breeding." 🤔
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u/Levobertus low-carbon Apr 28 '26
this does nothing to help the individuals already trapped in the shelter at all.
I don't think anyone disagrees that this should be done, but the reality for the dogs in the shelters is they're getting euthanized if nobody adopts them, regulations in place or not.
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u/kierabs vegan Apr 28 '26
Every single thing you say should be penalized would not actually eliminate shelters. You do realize that people break laws, right? Banning something doesn’t stop it. See drugs, alcohol, sex work, abortion, etc.
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 28 '26
"Tightly regulating dog breeding"
I bet 5 spoons of nutritional yeast that you're an antivegan who thought you had a gottem with this post
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u/Low_Lunch_3236 vegetarian Apr 28 '26
I mean I don't disagree with that, but it's not like we can just implement that by snapping our fingers lol. We still live in reality not a hypothetical fantasy.
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u/alasw0eisme I tRiEd GoInG vEgAn N dIeD Apr 28 '26
A lot of countries have been doing this for decades and they don't have a stray population. Undeveloped countries and developing countries do have strays. But they have bigger problems so governments don't care about animals.
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u/Low_Lunch_3236 vegetarian Apr 28 '26
They don't have stray populations but they still have large shelter populations. I know because I live in one of those countries.
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u/kiefy_budz survives on green leaves Apr 28 '26
Honestly I agree with this comment, but we can still adopt as well
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 29 '26
You agree with breeding animals?
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u/kiefy_budz survives on green leaves Apr 29 '26
Lmao what part of which comment gave that impression? I agree with heavily regulating even to the point of criminalizing breeding, while still adopting animals that end up happening
Oops forgot which sub we’re in
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 29 '26
""Tightly regulating dog breeding."
"I agree with this comment"
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u/hydroboywife cannibal Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
as long as you don't buy from a breeder or shop, i think it's fine. these animals will exist either way, you might as well give them a good life. i've rescued three rabbits from lives of horrific neglect; i don't think it would have been more vegan of me to leave them there.
edit: i didn’t get them from a shelter either, i specifically searched for rabbits kept in small cages outside and found them
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u/Low_Lunch_3236 vegetarian Apr 28 '26
Not really no, since the dogs are literally alive and the breeders are not profiting off you adopting them. Your argument is akin to saying an antinatalist shouldn't adopt a child and should instead leave them to suffer in an orphanage because they're against making more kids. If serious, this may be one of the worst takes I've come across ngl.
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u/Lazy_Composer6990 Pesca-ostro-lacto-ovo-pollotarian Apr 28 '26
/uj Not really. Obviously the best case scenario is for an animal to never have been brought into existence in the first place, but where's the part in adoption that treats them as mere property?
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u/ChromaticFinish semi-vegetarian Apr 28 '26
I found my cat on the street. He needed help. I love cats so I took him in and I treat him like my own flesh and blood, he is so loved.
Buying from a breeder is not vegan. But most vegan pet owners are adopting or rescuing animals which otherwise would have just suffered and died.
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u/OkSherbert3099 vegan-keto Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
Rescuing animals which have already been bred and giving them a comfortable happy life is abominable, if you do this consider your v card REVOKED
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u/ginger_and_egg vegan on Easter and Christmas Apr 28 '26
Apparently the only ethical thing to do with a dog is shoot it in the head on sight and compost the meat
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u/PraegerUDeanOfLiburl Apr 28 '26
Slave? My dog is a dependent, not capital. I’m not out here trying to make money or extract unpaid labour from my dog’s existence.
Are my kids slaves too?
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u/ReSpekt5eva vegetarian Apr 28 '26
I’m out here literally trying to buy a house planned almost entirely around my dogs’ needs 😩
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u/WhatIsASW semi-vegetarian Apr 28 '26
If you asks the antinatalists in this sub, yes. Some people can’t imagine that existence is anything but pain and suffering
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u/Low_Lunch_3236 vegetarian Apr 28 '26
Being a slave isn't conditional on pain and suffering lol. If you are bound by someone legally, then one could argue you are their slave. And kids are legally bound by their parents.
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 28 '26
Strawman of the day. Bravo
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u/fasoi only eat the uglies ✌🏻 Apr 29 '26
How is this a strawman? It’s directly related to the comment it’s replying to (it’s an example of how this person views their dog as a dependent)
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 29 '26
It's a strawman of antinatalism.
"Some people can’t imagine that existence is anything but pain and suffering"
Is the strawman.
Antinatalists are not saying that life only contains suffering and pain. ANs are saying that imposing existence on someone is a harm, and that harm doesn't benefit the one being imposed existence upon. You can not have a child for the child's sake. It's an unethical biological experiment where it's the one being created that has to deal with the consequences. It's like playing Russian roulette with the gun pointed to someone elses head.
Someone who doesn't exist has no desire to suddenly exist. A lot of people who do exist wish they didn't.
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u/PixiePunk_ Apr 28 '26
/uj let me guess, you’ve been vegan for less than a year? I get the knee jerk reaction to black and white thinking and yes obviously breeding animals is wrong, point blank period, but there is not a current solution to people having adopted pets. if you have a proposed solution I’m sure we’re all ears.
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u/wmcs0880 low-carbon Apr 28 '26
uj/ I’m vegan for one specific reason, which is for animals to be treated like actual living creatures and not products. For that reason I am dead against the breeding of animals for companionship and I think it’s another evil practice that morality wise isn’t too far from breeding animals for food.
However that being said, as long as you’re able to raise an animal on a vegan lifestyle and have the facilities to give them everything they need to thrive then I am all for living with a rescue animal, but ONLY if you have the time and energy to dedicate it to them. Imo that is entirely different from treating an animal like a product as you form a genuine bond with them.
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u/Autistic_Rizz plants fear me Apr 28 '26
uj/ I agree with the anti-breeding statement but this doesn't really account for vegans who went vegan after adopting a dog. Adopting an individual who needs help is not the same as buying a Golden Doodle from Jessica with the dirty ass puppy mill
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u/goin-up-the-country environmental veganism is for cowards Apr 28 '26
Systematically breeding animals to slaughter as food for the systematically bred animals for companionship. Vegan btw.
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u/ajakubski plant-based Apr 28 '26
giving vegan kibble to a dog or a cat would be literal animal abuse, as opposed to giving them mystery meat standard kibble cut with 60% plants anyway
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u/fasoi only eat the uglies ✌🏻 Apr 29 '26
Finally someone who gets it - my dog is an omnivore, and therefore it’s not unethical to support factory farming by buying food for them
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u/KittenDust Peskytarian Apr 28 '26
But what if I am systematically breeding the animals to feed the animals that are systematically bred for companionship? A double negative is a positive so in your face veggoon!
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u/OkNefariousness6711 flexitarian Apr 28 '26
My dog slave consents to being one. But he isn't actually a dog, he's just a human who enjoys pretending to be one.
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u/OkNefariousness6711 flexitarian Apr 28 '26
He also enjoys systematic breeding for companionship (just saying)
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u/HappyBeingVegan-100 vegan Apr 28 '26
Loving them, playing with them, keeping them safe, allowing them to have friends and to die of old age… Vs. Separating them into cages, leaving them alone and filthy living in their own feces with no happiness whatsoever and then killing them by the time they turn 1-2 years old. Yep, exact same thing! Thanks for pointing out this out!
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u/Low_Lunch_3236 vegetarian Apr 28 '26
Well, the point is you are creating them to fulfill your own desires and treating them as property by engaging in trade with them as the goods. You point out two extremes that work in your favor, but one could easily turn the situation around and compare someone who separates the pets in cages, abuses them, forces them to work / fight, neglects them, keeps them on a chain or in a kennel in their own filth, abandons them or euthanizes them when they get tired of them, etc...to free range farm animals who live nice happy lives before being killed.
In other words, you are twisting the narrative. If you breed animals for your personal needs then you are contributing to several problems that cause animal suffering whether directly or indirectly. If you want a pet, you can adopt one thats already alive and needs a home.
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u/HappyBeingVegan-100 vegan Apr 29 '26
Eh, there are lots of angles to this topic. Breeding them is controlling them to fit our needs, yes. If we decided one day that breeding should not be allowed anywhere at any time, then we may end up with them going extinct as no country on earth, at least not many, allow strays - homeless animals are killed. We no longer have the land on earth available to allow all animals total freedom. So where do you draw the line? For lots of people, the only link they have to the animal world is a pet. Without this link people would have far less empathy. So I guess there are lots of ways to look at it. But veganism and the goals of it are to not exploit but also to give animals a shot at a good life. How you do this is oftentimes subjective.
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u/AlwaysBannedVegan cannibal Apr 29 '26
If we decided one day that breeding should not be allowed anywhere at any time, then we may end up with them going extinct
And?
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u/AggressiveHerbivore vegan Apr 29 '26
the comments in here feel more like /vegan and not /vegancirclejerk. have you not eaten your daily overbred dog slave meat supplements today?
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u/titeaf vegan Apr 29 '26
Yeah well I am so vegan that I hope we all stop eating them tomorrow and all the animals that are on ugly farms will all be set free and they can run away and we can pave over those ugly farms to put up high rise low income housing units in bumfuck arkansas 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
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u/Superweirdadventure basically-vegan Apr 29 '26
I thought we all didn’t eat animals cause we don’t like them. Dogs are stinky
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u/Comfortable_Intern57 May 01 '26
My cats aren't bred by humans, they are delivered to me via the cat distribution system. There's nothing you can do but accept your fate when the CDS delivers unto you a kitty.
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u/Comfortable_Intern57 May 01 '26
I also received my dog via the lesser known dog distribution system. But I will not get another dog after him.
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u/reddybrek Plant-Based and B12 Pilled May 02 '26
Uj/ The concept of pets isn’t vegan, saying ‘my dog’ or ‘my cat’ inherently suggests ownership. However, giving an animal that already exists a better life than it would have is a good thing. The end goal would be no pets at all, but it’s just not realistic right now.
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u/Ecstatic_Singer9079 vegan 29d ago
I don’t really disagree but I will point out linguistically that “my” doesn’t necessarily mean possession it also can just reference a relationship, like “my mom” “my school” or “my wife”. You don’t own any of those things, you just reference “your dog” as opposed to a separate “the dog”. But yes people do own their dogs, I just also see people say this about how “my girlfriend” is possessive and thats not necessarily true
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u/WhatIsASW semi-vegetarian Apr 28 '26
Power level hiding shit is for fash. OPs take is also brain dead
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u/djn24 anecdote tho Apr 28 '26
I'm confused. I thought you guys were still eating dog meat.