Skinning the corpses of animals to make handbags is literally better for the environment than making FAKE ones using plastic. I'm convinced that vegans just don't care about the environment.
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cmon we all know leather and fur is taken from animals they find dead, you people really think we are just killing specific animals for their skin? heavens no.
Hi guys, I have a bunker with about 50 pounds of meat in it. Of course, I got this before I went vegan. But now that I’m vegan, it would be considered vegan if I ate all of this non-vegan food, right? Because otherwise it would be a waste. No, the waste wasn’t using the life of another for my very nice product. That’s not my definition of veganism.
Using products of animal use is vegan in many scenarios. Please be open minded. ❤️
For clothing, the other options are selling or donating it. But then it's still going to worn by somebody, or it just sits in their closet or even thrown away. There so much clothing waste already that I wouldn't want to contribute to, I wish I had never purchased some of these things in the first place
people defining morality in bizarre nonsensical ways
Such as? I'm still waiting for one of you pick-me sub clowns to explain how wearing the flesh of a murder victim, and thereby promoting the fashion, should be seen as acceptable by vegans in ANY scenario.
If a child gets raped and murdered would you wear their flesh as a belt? Name the moral symmetry breaker since you seem to think it's different (giving you the benefit of the doubt).
I don't care what YOUR feelings are. Animal rights isn't about you. And I asked why vegans should view wearing the flesh of a murder victim, and thereby promoting the fashion, as acceptable. Not how you personally feel about it.
"If a child gets raped and murdered would you wear their flesh as a belt?" Leather is normalized so I feel nothing about it.
That's not an answer to the question. It's a 'yes' or 'no' answer. And I said name the moral symmetry breaker which you obviously didn't do since you didn't answer.
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
I'm working on getting YOU banned for your animal abuse apologism where you attempt to shift blame for the animal abusers actions away from THEM because some vegans hurt their feelings.
Thats fair with like the furs and stuff. What about belts? I’ve found it difficult to find alternatives to a leather belt. I work in a mostly formal setting so a leather style belt is the expectation.
If you're in the UK I recommend vegetarian shoes They make the most authentic looking and hard-wearing vegan "leather" I've ever come across. I have a pair of boots from them that are 15 years old and still going strong, just need resoled every so often.
Edit - they sell belts of many types in their accessories section lol not just shoes!! they won't peel or split, or crack where the buckle sits, or any of that nonsense. They last and last and last some more.
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
This is semantics. The Vegan Society defines veganism like this:
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
I'd say I fit this definition of vegan.
Words don't really have one set meaning, though. What "vegan" means to one person might mean something else to another. I'm sure there are plenty of people that think veganism is just a diet.
In any case, I intend to keep calling myself vegan.
Yeah, thats not veganism. That's just some regurgitation that no actual vegan uses to identify themselves because it has nothing to do with promoting animal rights. Doesn't even mention it.
And it doesn't even stand up to the most basic of criticisms. Do you practice your stance against child rape and murder "as far as practicable" or are you against it full stop?
In any case, I intend to keep calling myself vegan.
Just like the animal abusers who refuse to see themselves as anything other than "animal lovers."
The actual response is honesty, no? If you are fine with wearing/applying/eating products of animal use, then you aren’t vegan. That’s all that should be said.
What kind of question is this? Do you think products of animal use are vegan? They aren’t, so being fine with using them isn’t vegan. I feel like that’s as straightforward as I can be.
People quietly are downvoting this so I assume there are “vegans” in this sub. One question: why not buy leather new? Why not buy wool new? There is no further harm inflicted on the animal it came from. The damage is done. Buying firsthand or secondhand makes no difference at that point. Be serious.
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
“Vegan” does not immediately mean plastic/synthetic material. Nor are most knits made ethically, even if they use wool instead of synthetic material. A good “ethically” sourced wool fisherman sweater is going to run you more than $150. Quince sells cashmere sweaters for $60. Most people are not shopping William Lockie, Chamula, or any other prestigious Flamborough knit makers. Those same people also couldn’t care less if something is vegan. People buy wool sweaters from The Gap, or Spier & Mackay.
More goes into knits than you are letting on in regards to longevity (i.e how much slack a sweater is made with to potentially save on costs regardless of the material of yarn is used, and how long fibers are when spinning yarn). Much of that trickles down into how labor is handled, and cashmere/wool changes little to nothing about how clothing is produced. You are approaching this disingenuously.
What sources do you have to claim that constantly raising living beings to produce material for clothing has a smaller footprint than if you bought plastic? Better yet, why not look at second hand organic cotton/linen to keep consistent with both veganism and environmentalism?
FWIW, what I'm saying is buy secondhand. I'm broke AF. I go into charity shops (aka, thrift stores), and sometimes shop secondhand online on places like eBay and Vinted, and if I see the option between crap plastic-based shoes, or leather shoes, I know one of them is gonna last a lot longer than the other and when it does eventually break, it won't leave behind plastic that will take thousands of years to degrade. Obviously there are vegan clothes made from material that is neither plastic or animal derived, e.g., anything made from cotton, hemp, linen, etc, etc, but for certain types of clothing (e.g., jumpers), you can't really get them made out of cotton or anything. You either have nylon/polyester or wool.
Obviously in an IDEAL world, all animal-based agriculture would be shut down, so the supply chain for clothing on the second-hand market would eventually dry up, but in such a world that is environmentally conscious enough to do that, plastic-based clothing similarly wouldn't be available. Perhaps they'd invent a new type of fibre that can take the place of wool, but derived from natural sources and is renewable.
But we don't live in an ideal world, so buying wool jumpers, for example, second-hand is a lot better than buying a plastic jumper.
(FWIW I haven't bought clothing new outside of underwear in years, so my perspective will probably be different to someone who buys clothing from mainstream shops.)
Much of your reasoning seems to rest on the notion that you can’t Get certain articles of clothing in neither plastic nor animal based articles of clothing. Is that really the case? I’m broke too. I literally only (sparingly) buy from eBay and similar apps and find cotton/linen sweaters and insulated shoes quite easily despite my size being relatively uncommon (with the filter function), and I don’t use any product of animal use. I unravel jumpers and reuse fabric to patch clothes if need be. I think it’s feasible. I frankly still think synthetics have their place in things like linings, shells, and insulation in outerwear/techwear for tough weather though.
And i still have to ask how much more environmentally friendly you think the lifetime of leather/silk/wool goods are compared to plastic, because you seem to assume the best case scenario with production of animal fabrics and aren’t as generous with the alternatives. For example, leather is processed so heavily with chromium to the point that it doesn’t break down quickly just like plastic, not even mentioning the chromium that then gets dumped into waterways.
But one question I want to ask you even more is: you seriously don’t find it ironic to call it vegan (i.e opposing the ethics of animal use) to give money to people selling you the product of animal use and wearing said products? What about buying secondhand animal products doesn’t incentivize the people selling it to keep buying it first hand?
Abolitionist veganism is the rights-based opposition to animal use by humans. We recognize the basic right for all animals not to be treated as property or objects. This right is self-evident without debate for health or environment. We pursue our goals through nonviolent direct action, civil resistance, and the transcendence of capitalism.
We accept input only from vegans who diligently practice and emphatically uphold these ideas.
If you owned it before going vegan then don't worry about it!! I wear a leather jacket with fox fur inside and a handbag made out of aligator skin and I'm honestly gonna use it until I can! At least the animals didn't die for nothing this way, throwing it out would be a waste!! I'm still vegan and you should do you, these strict vegans will always point fingers anyway!!! All that matters is that you have the right intentions!!!!
Thank you. In the world we want to eradicate animal use, we simply have to be remorseful about using products of animal use. Frankly, I think doing anything more would be considered Extremism. If I saw your outfit in person I would be sure to be sad while talking about how Chic it is.
it’s so much better for the planet when i support the second hand market which in itself because of the online options also now promotes impulse buying because of the low prices and therefore further hoarding, because someone owned this dead animal skin covered in countless dyes before me and it’s so much better for the environment than just letting it rot like it’s normal! guys you don’t get it i’m an environmentalist!! plus plus what about homeless people who can’t get clothes otherwise plus what about me it was obviously this fuckass jacket that can’t even keep me warm was a necessarily purchase how the fuck else am i supposed to make a shitty battle jacket where i paint an A so that people know i am a self proclaimed anarchist?? i’m poor but i also wanna look like i’m rich enough to wear the arbitrarily priced dead animals but also i hate capitalism guys please i’m one of you oh god of fuck please notice me
Uj/ I’ll never get this in a million years, the thought of leather gives me such sensory issues. Can’t stand looking at it, like how are you wearing the skin of a dead animal and it doesn’t make you feel like a weird bitch smh
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u/Trashcan_Gourmand basically-vegan Feb 16 '26
Look, all those Dalmatian puppies are never coming back. At least if I keep wearing my coat, their deaths have meaning