r/thepunisher • u/Initial_Spirit_1325 • 1d ago
DISCUSSION If they make another Punisher show they need to make Frank more calculated and tactical
I was watching the 2004 Punisher and he was smart and calculated I feel like Jon Bernthal's Punisher is just an angry man who yells like a gorilla who still hasn't gotten over his trauma
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u/AdvancedDay7854 1d ago
My two biggest complaints about this version is the lack of tactical planning and stalking and the egregious amount of chad-mumbling Bernthal does making him sound like a nut.
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u/Signal_Animator_2335 1d ago
He’s gonna be retired, minding his own business until he gets involved in some shit that’ll force him to wear the skull again and go on a journey to rediscover himself as the punisher, A G A I N.
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u/ClarenceWalnuts99 1d ago
Isn’t that kind of what the short movie was about? He was trying to be out but was pulled back in and just accepted that’s who he was meant to be and wore the skull at the end.
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u/AlternativeBack6351 1d ago
This is what every single appearance of MCU Punisher has been about
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u/ClarenceWalnuts99 1d ago
The series he didn’t seem like he wanted to be out. He was so bent on revenge he was almost reckless and obsessed with killing but he was indestructible. But he never seemed like he wanted to be done with it. Not that I remember anyway
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u/bigbreel 1d ago
He does tactically plan though and the yelling is overemphasized because all sound is increased during those fights.
All of season 1 his plans worked
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u/Fit-Relationship944 1d ago
Anyone working on a Punisher adaptation should be made to watch the motel scene in No Country for Old Men.
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u/Shallbecomeabat 1d ago
Thats one of the problems with Bernthal. His acting is great but he seems like such a buffoon. Crying, barking etc. He seems to survive on toughness more than anything else. I really dislike that. Frank is much more like a Batman: a master planner!
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u/thestateside 1d ago
Right? You can have PTSD without acting the way Bernthal is acting. He and the writers seem to think PTSD means acting in the most erratic way possible (it is not). Having PTSD doesn't mean they should forgo Frank's strategicness and smarts.
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u/AdventurousArm7802 1d ago
This doesn’t even make sense? What does him having ptsd have to do with his combat tactics? Hes not having a mental breakdown in combat
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u/TypewriterMonkey98 11h ago
Tbf I see the connection - he screams the same way when he's having PTSD episodes as he does when he's wading into a fight with no plan like a fuckin barbarian.
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u/AdventurousArm7802 3h ago
But he isn’t having a break down in combat, he is actually at peace during combat.
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u/Difficult-Shallot863 1d ago
OLK ended with some clarity for him, he probably (hopefully) will be past the hallucinations now, just there to get shit done now
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u/Meleagree 1d ago
Ok but then how is he supposed to tell us something? Also if he’s too tactical there’s a chance he’ll get sleepy and take a nap and we can’t have that
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u/inframankey 1d ago
Poor Frank got tactically tuckered out
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u/wave-tree 1d ago
DR FISHY NOOOOOO
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u/Meleagree 1d ago
A Pete Holmes Batman reference in the year of our Lord 2026? May your life be filled with nothing but joy and happiness my friend
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u/IAmAlive_YouAreDead 1d ago
Absolutely agree. I loved One Last Kill, but now we need to Frank in actual Punisher mode where he scopes out and gather intelligence on his enemy and methodically takes their operations apart by killing. He should only be forced into desperate firefights and QC combat when things go wrong. Low how he took out the Irish mafia in DD s2, he didn't burst in yelling and getting shot and stabbed himself, he waited for them all to be in one places and mowed them down with a minigun.
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u/Goofy-555 1d ago
We need more of this in the film adaptations.
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u/PeeWeeCasanovaMC 1d ago
Bernthal is the worst live action Punisher. His dumbass grunts and screams make him seem more like a mentally challenged person with severe ptsd, instead of the cold, calm, and calculated vigilante from the comics.
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u/SistedTwister1 1d ago
I think at this point I’m fine with this version of punisher being like the hulk. Just have him show up in movies and other peoples shows already as the punisher.
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u/TypewriterMonkey98 1d ago
Crazy how tactical he was in the first season of his show, but he's mostly a gorilla man who I struggle to see why he's such a threat.
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u/Blammo32 23h ago
Bernthal plays the role as an angry veteran with PTSD, which has never really been the Punisher’s MO.
However, not a lot of actors would want to play a stoic, emotionless man of few words and, if I’m honest, I don’t see MCU fans embracing that kind of character either.
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u/jjb0rdell0 1d ago
I see a lot of dislike for his portrayal.
But season 1 punisher, with Micro directing him, to me was amazing!
Season 2 onwards....hm
But that season 1 I loved it so much
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u/MikeHawkSmaul 20h ago
Ironically, Bernthal in The Accountant 2 acts much more like a comic-accurate Punisher (at least in fight scenes).
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u/havewelost6388 1d ago
For the last time, comics Punisher isn't an emotionless killing machine, and Bernthal's Punisher isn't a "gorilla" because he has more than one emotion and yelled a few times.
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u/Cambionr 1d ago
They’re not really mad about the shit they’re saying. Those are just excuses. The sudden insane amount of Berenthal hate is all about him not hating cops. He came out pro-cop and suddenly he’s the worst actor ever. It’s so fucking obvious and pathetic.
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u/da1andOnly712 18h ago edited 18h ago
I agree to an extent. I like that Bernthal supports the police and military, but always thought he wasn’t a good representation of the character and he does use the character as a vehicle for his military worship, as the only thing he seems to care about is what police/military thinks of the character and he overemphasizes the marine aspect for his version of the Punisher.
Two things can be true at once. He is a poor representation of the character however all this extreme hate for his Punisher definitely only came out because people saw what he said recently about the Punisher belonging to the military and police. Part of the reason people are pissed is because of the very wrong misconception by people who don’t read the comics that the Punisher hates cops. They hate police and the military and they project that onto the character so they feel betrayed that the actor stands by police and military and thinks its character assassination.
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u/HiitsFrancis 1d ago
a few times
He is constantly yelling and grunting. And retiring.
He sucks.
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u/StarGazer4802 1d ago
That how Castle is supposed to operate. He’s a tactician and certain runs emphasize that and thats the groundwork for a great Punisher run I believe. Him being isolated and cold and stern shows his dedication and determination to snuff out evil and makes him feel like a force of nature.
Especially when he has loads of guns and feels like a one man army.