r/southafrica • u/Beyond_the_one The opposite of efficiency, which is to say, justice • 28d ago
Mod Post Xenophobic riots, discussions, etc.
We have noted the uptick of posts on the sub from various different political view points on the increase of xenophobia riots being perpetuated in South Africa.
To quell this situation on sub, I am highlighting our rules, once again:
Rule 1: Attack ideas, not people
Argue hard, disagree sharply, criticise politicians and bad ideas freely. Don't attack people for who they are: race, ethnicity, language, religion, gender, sexuality, or nationality. Apartheid is not defensible here.
Serves Principles 4 (post-apartheid community), 5 (frustration welcome, dehumanisation not), and 6 (good faith is the price of entry).
What this rule covers
This is the rule that does the most work on the sub. It draws one line: between attacking what someone thinks, does, or stands for, and attacking who they are. The first is welcome. The second is not.
What falls on the prohibited side:
- Slurs and dehumanising language directed at any group
- Hate speech: content that promotes discrimination, violence, or prejudice based on race, ethnicity, language, religion, gender, sexuality, nationality, or origin
- Apartheid denialism, apologism, or "it wasn't all bad" framings
- Denial or apologism for other genocides and crimes against humanity
- Xenophobia, including the framing that any human being is "illegal"
- Coded bigotry and dog-whistles: language designed to communicate prejudice while maintaining deniability
- Personal attacks on other users that go to who they are rather than what they've said
- Pile-ons and harassment, including targeted vote-following
https://www.reddit.com/r/southafrica/wiki/rules/
Break this rule and you will be banned.
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u/AJClaassen 28d ago
Can we talk about how Herman Mashaba has been using the trump playbook to scapegoat foreigners while stoking violence and vigilante justice within the poorest of our communities?
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u/Beyond_the_one The opposite of efficiency, which is to say, justice 28d ago
Perfectly fine. Please go right ahead.
I am just absolutely tired of reading long rants about the nasty foreigners are "taking our jobs" and then using TikTok/Facebook/Instagram/Twitter as supporting their concerns.
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u/AJClaassen 28d ago edited 28d ago
I was listing to 98.7fm this morning, didnt realise i wasnt on 5fm and they were discussing the foreigner issue, most callers phoning in were saying how they needed to take actions into their own hands. At what point can we start connecting this to hate speech and enciting violence? Herman was saying mass deportation is his agenda, what will that solve? How is that creating work or helping the economy? The next violent unrest will see many a foreigner be targeted and effected, this is not the South Africa we want and we need to start pushing back at this type of rhetoric and hold those who insemenate it to account!
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u/Stu_Thom4s Aristocracy 28d ago
It's so frustrating. Because the real issue is that we don't make it easy enough for people to achieve legal status here. A friend's husband was acting editor of M&G and had to leave ZA because Home Affairs kept "losing" his permanent residence applications, despite him having spent most of his life in ZA.
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u/Beyond_the_one The opposite of efficiency, which is to say, justice 28d ago
Herman and anyone else promoting this crap need to be arrested and put in jail. I don't want to see a repeat of the 2008 xenophobic riots.
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u/MalemasMucusPlug 28d ago
Ok, but what if attacking the person is like really really funny?
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u/Beyond_the_one The opposite of efficiency, which is to say, justice 28d ago
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u/benevolent-badger !ke e: /xarra //ke 28d ago
You nincompoop!
This is an example of not how to do it. Rather say,
Your idea is stupid.
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u/better_rabit 28d ago
The populist anti foreigner discussions that have caused a massive crackdown in civil rights and emboldening the worst in us will not be forgotten,but it's elections year so this will only ramp up as the """discussion""" gets louder.
Every attempt to get a foreign national perspective on this often leads to dog piling and calls for harm.That should scare alot of people
We are walking into fascism and it's frustrating that we already see from the USA/UK the end result of such retorhic.
Glad the rules have been clarified,but man this will be painfull.
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u/Beyond_the_one The opposite of efficiency, which is to say, justice 28d ago
Well they can go scream on other SA subs or Shitter because I sure as fuck don't give a shit what they think.
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27d ago edited 27d ago
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u/southafrica-ModTeam The Expropriator 26d ago
Your {content type} was removed under Rule 2 for posting content that is false, misleading, or from a known unreliable source. r/southafrica expects honest engagement with information: don't post things you know are false, and don't link to fake-news, propaganda, or deliberately misleading sources.
The full rule is in the wiki.
If you can rephrase, source from a credible publication, or correct the content, you're welcome to repost. If you think this removal was a mistake, see the appeals process.
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u/ArimaO-O 28d ago
When I was in 3rd grade there were kids in my grade going around asking other kids if they were foreigners and saying foreigners are bad. That was 21 years ago. The seeds have been planted long ago