r/southafrica • u/Empty-Champion6929 • May 22 '25

Discussion Genocide?

There are claims that there is a genocide taking place in South Africa and I think the fact that the US is adamantly propagating this propagandistic narrative is more reason not to trust them.

Furthermore, I am disappointed in Trump's refusal to at least consider Ramaphosa's sentiments during yesterday's meeting. He seems to be both gullible and ignorant.

I should finally mention that I am deeply hurt by our fellow white South Africans who are proudly reinforcing these claims of genocide. I know that our country is run by an incompetent and self-serving government that seems to not have any concerns about economic development. However, seeing a cohort of white people take the stance of validating that there is a genocide is painful to witness.

As someone born post apartheid, I'm finally starting to see.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '25

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u/Wasabi-Remote May 22 '25

I’d venture to say that most people haven’t read an (entire) piece of legislation in their lives.

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u/coffeeislife_SA Gauteng May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

"BUT OUR LAND IS BEING TAKEN!!!"

read the actual fucking act. Jesus.

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u/coffeeislife_SA Gauteng May 22 '25

I was being sarcastic. Apologies if that didn't track.

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u/coffeeislife_SA Gauteng May 22 '25

Edited. I thought all caps was the giveaway. I stand corrected 🤣

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u/LegitimateFoot3666 May 22 '25

In America, white supremacists use similar logic and are laughed at so South Africa offers them better framing for their conspiracy theory

In America, any time a white person is harmed in any way by a black person, white supremacists cite it as an act of genocide

Even things as simple as a bar fight or road rage incident

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u/Mission-Ad1021 May 22 '25

Unbelievable. Really…I’m just speechless…

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u/whalebeefhooked223 May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

“As a European”

And that’s when we find out that you have absolutely zero fucking clue about what happens in South Africa

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u/Maleficent_Dark_7293 May 22 '25

As a farmer in South Africa: this comment is extremely misinformed.

Firstly, a tiny fraction of our land is fertile. It's easy to claim success if you have easy and unrestricted access to fertile soils and water, but this isn't the truth for most people.

Secondly, markets are captured by a few agricultural concerns and not accessible to new entrants. I'm educated to MSc level, run a small farm and can tell you that finding off takers without investing hundreds of thousands of euros to achieve a scale where the big guys are interested is virtually impossible. We're competing for the same customers against concerns that can afford to buy and farm thousands of hectares and put in place entire value chains. Even certain inputs can't be accessed by simply anyone. In the modern world, farming has a higher barrier to entrance than engineering.

My day job isn't being a farmer. I work in international development, and spend a lot of my time traveling to rural African areas, and there are plenty of people there who can successfully grow and sell produce. However, these are exclusively people who are already wealthy and can afford to invest into their production.

In short: farming in the modern world requires you to have access to substantial resources to even get started. Telling a poor person to farm their way out of poverty is roughly equivalent to telling them to just buy a house and start a tourism business. Though the latter may be more achievable

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u/rabeahraza Gauteng May 22 '25

This reply is so stupid, I actually started laughing. You actually believe that?

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u/benevolent-badger !ke e: /xarra //ke May 22 '25

just delete this comment. and then take a couple minutes to reevaluate your life and your opinions.

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u/PsychologicalBet7831 May 22 '25

Dude, I mean this all due respect: hou jou p**s bek toe, you don't know what you are talking about.

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u/PsychologicalBet7831 May 22 '25

Something about black people who can't farm and that he/she is European that has been watching Africa backslide.

Just a racist troll.