r/smashbros • u/StopTheVok • Oct 10 '19

Other I invested my lifesavings into Wavedash, watched it fail and then decided to buy the whole Company to release the Icons: Legacy Edition and continue development under a new name. AMA

Hi /r/SmashBros I know that ya'll have had mixed feelings about Icons... the truth is I did too. Hoping that we can agree that there were a lot of very avoidable issues that plagued Icons, but also that there is still a potential future for it! (Assuming we can fix key issues!)

Recently announced article: https://www.dualshockers.com/icons-combat-arena-post-mortem-definitive-edition/FAQ

About the Legacy Edition: https://vortexrising.substack.com/p/thank-you-to-wavedash-and-our-fans

What's next for Wavedash: https://vortexrising.substack.com/p/update-on-wavedash-games

Yesterday's live stream which shows gameplay, new skins and more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MRcUf-nBM4&feature=youtu.be

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TLDR on Legacy Edition

  • Fulfills the promise of a 'Definitive' version. Functions as a time capsule / snapshot of the game while my team and I make progress on development.
  • INTENDED TO BE FREE for anyone who bought a Founders Pack, Pro Pack or Character in Icons. See FAQ for details
  • Includes all 8 characters, including never-before-released Ezzie, and all cosmetic content.
  • NO LOOTBOXES, or any in-game transactions of any kind
  • Input delay on local play was removed.
  • Global access with P2P netplay (better latency, too).
  • Offline mode available.
  • Some long-requested moveset changes were implemented (Raymer, particularly, has a grenade. Kidd has *Wolf* shine.)
  • As openly discussed on yesterday's stream, the game will retail for $4.99. We want to get this into as many hands as possible.

Proof: https://twitter.com/wewavedash/status/1182320167260491777

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AMA Ended (Parting notes below)

EDIT: Okay guys!! Thank you so much. I went on answering questions from 11am till 4:35pm ET! Going to need a break. While I was doing the Q&A I updated some art / branding assets for Icons. This was based on a prompt from yesterday's stream. Today we iterated and - now - here we are. Check them out here: https://twitter.com/IconsArena

Lastly - Please check out our next public stream this Friday @ 6:30pm ET. Will be going live here --> https://youtu.be/2_yqM8BXEVs

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u/Takfloyd Oct 11 '19

Looking at the gameplay video, this is just a shameless ripoff of Smash down to even the individual moves, but with generic Overwatch-style toon characters. No mystery why this failed and will continue to fail. Try something original next time.

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u/StopTheVok Oct 11 '19 edited Oct 11 '19

Your perspective is "shameless ripoff" of Smash.

Their perspective was "admiring iteration."

I'm not trying to "PR" them, I'm literally explaining how they saw it. The fact that Kidd's Ssp was different and his lasers were different, to them, meant it was a completely different game.

The way I'd put it is this. Icons: Legacy Edition is the same flavor of ice cream but by a different brand than the one you're used to. People have different favorite brands for vanilla or chocolate ice cream and this is no different. Nintendo is the premiere and we're the CVS/Rite Aid brand. Some people legit like it for its quirks.

I just hope that even if its NOT your cup of tea, you (and I don't mean you, specifically Takfloyd) won't go out of your way to leave an overwhelmingly negative review.

As far as Vortex Rising, it'd be like Oatly Ice Cream. It's not even technically Ice Cream any more but it's kind of like Ice Cream and it still has Vanilla and Chocolate Flavors... but with 2/3rds as much sugar and no lactose. Hard core ice cream fans will knock it, but it might have large appeal due to its unique texture, being lactose free and less overall sugar content. Who knows? It's a risky bet, but that's what we're trying to do.