r/smashbros • u/StopTheVok • Oct 10 '19
Other I invested my lifesavings into Wavedash, watched it fail and then decided to buy the whole Company to release the Icons: Legacy Edition and continue development under a new name. AMA
Hi /r/SmashBros I know that ya'll have had mixed feelings about Icons... the truth is I did too. Hoping that we can agree that there were a lot of very avoidable issues that plagued Icons, but also that there is still a potential future for it! (Assuming we can fix key issues!)
Recently announced article: https://www.dualshockers.com/icons-combat-arena-post-mortem-definitive-edition/FAQ
About the Legacy Edition: https://vortexrising.substack.com/p/thank-you-to-wavedash-and-our-fans
What's next for Wavedash: https://vortexrising.substack.com/p/update-on-wavedash-games
Yesterday's live stream which shows gameplay, new skins and more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MRcUf-nBM4&feature=youtu.be
TLDR on Legacy Edition
- Fulfills the promise of a 'Definitive' version. Functions as a time capsule / snapshot of the game while my team and I make progress on development.
- INTENDED TO BE FREE for anyone who bought a Founders Pack, Pro Pack or Character in Icons. See FAQ for details
- Includes all 8 characters, including never-before-released Ezzie, and all cosmetic content.
- NO LOOTBOXES, or any in-game transactions of any kind
- Input delay on local play was removed.
- Global access with P2P netplay (better latency, too).
- Offline mode available.
- Some long-requested moveset changes were implemented (Raymer, particularly, has a grenade. Kidd has *Wolf* shine.)
- As openly discussed on yesterday's stream, the game will retail for $4.99. We want to get this into as many hands as possible.
Proof: https://twitter.com/wewavedash/status/1182320167260491777
AMA Ended (Parting notes below)
EDIT: Okay guys!! Thank you so much. I went on answering questions from 11am till 4:35pm ET! Going to need a break. While I was doing the Q&A I updated some art / branding assets for Icons. This was based on a prompt from yesterday's stream. Today we iterated and - now - here we are. Check them out here: https://twitter.com/IconsArena
Lastly - Please check out our next public stream this Friday @ 6:30pm ET. Will be going live here --> https://youtu.be/2_yqM8BXEVs
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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '19
While I did think ICONS was a good game, and that failure was a terrible fate for the game, I hope that Vortex Rising will give you and the team a second chance.
Some questions about the games, though.
- I know that you intend to break away from the formula with Vortex in that you wanna emphasize different elements of gameplay in the Smash-like space, or maybe innovate along the way. Have you guys thought about trying out an objective-based mode for a Smash clone like maybe a "full contact race" mode where you can knock people off the course, or a "capture the flag" or "soccer" mode where you have teams throw an item into a goal? Do you think wacky modes like that have a space in the platform fighter genre?
- Where do you think you can innovate in terms of "physics" with Vortex? Are we talking less floaty jumping, more weighty combat, or more things behaving in a Newtonian physics model rather than a physics model that's deemed "normal" for the Smash-like?
- When coding for an online fighter such as ICONS, what's your approach to the best solution for a P2P connection? Is there some kind of industry standard when it comes to figuring this kind of stuff out?