Simon Hick, Trimble SC’s Leinster analysis wtf

[u/pauli55555]

WTF Simon. Trimble.

Leinster need to get rid of Cullen asap. If it happened 5 years ago that might have been a soccer style reaction, but after year on year of failure it’s just logical/ cop on to get rid of him now.

Trimble wtf were you on about also?? You WERE my fav rugby commentator now you are just another clueless Cullen buddy.

Cullen had ZERO coaching experience and was given the keys of a Ferrari. That was a disgraceful decision by the IRFU in the first place. Until Lancaster came on board Leinster were going backwards under Cullen. Lancaster should have been given full responsibility there and then.

Cullen has practically the Irish squad to select from. My granny could get that Leinster squad to a EC semi or final and a URC final. They have 3 important games a year and Cullen fcuks it up every year. Case in point, Frowley brought in at ht as out half in the final, despite Cullen not have selected him for over a year at 10. What sort of prep/ coaching is that??

Culturally Cullen has ruined Leinster. They were always renowned for attacking organised rugby. Now they are just some sort of horrible defensive hybrid. They don’t even lose gracefully.

If I am Ringrose. Furlong, Conan, JGP, Lowe, Henshaw, Porter, Keenan, Ryan, Sheehan etc I am disgusted that his clown has been my head coach for the best years of my career.

Get this absolute spoofer out of Leinster immediately and get in a legitimate, proven coach (Scott Robertson, Franco Smith, McNamara, ANYBODY!) and guarantee Leinster will win a EC before some of these guys retire ie. in the next two years.

[u/Difficult_Tea6136]

You're completely shifting the goalposts now. You started by asking if a new manager would get fired next year for failing to win the Champions Cup. A silly question. Now you’ve pivoted to demanding a strict three year performance rubric.

This is just a distraction. We don’t need to map out a flawless three year projection for a hypothetical successor to acknowledge that Leo’s actual tenure hasn't been good enough. Defending his current poor results by demanding a detailed roadmap for the next guy is a flawed argument,
it's time for a change

If you want to defend Cullen, go for it but "what is success over the next 3 years with somebody else" isn't a defence. It's just a really weak argument

[u/Clsmooth48 → u/Difficult_Tea6136]

It’s a very simple theoretical question that you obviously don’t want to don’t know how to answer.

I think it’s a fair question as you’ve posted that Cullen hasn’t proved himself but are unable to say what would he considered a coach proving themselves.

[u/Difficult_Tea6136 → u/Clsmooth48]

It's not a very simple question at all. You're treating a nuanced situation like a maths equation. There isn't a single 'minimum performance' answer because context matters. It's entirely dependent on performance.

If a new manager comes in, bloods young talent, plays great rugby and loses a tight final in year one, that’s progress. If they inherit this squad and miss the knockouts entirely, that's a failure. A coach 'proves themselves' by moving the team forward. The issue with Leo isn't a lack of a specific roadmap. It’s the fact that after years in charge, the team has stagnated at the final hurdle. You don't need a definitive blueprint for the future to see that the current era has reached its limit.

Leo isn't good enough. We know that. It's a really weak argument to make: "well define success then". I don't need to define it to look at Cullen and say "that's not good enough"

[u/fravbront → u/Difficult_Tea6136]

100%. A new coach might not win it, but Leo wont win it. Hes a busted flush at this stage. Attack and defence has completely fallen apart at the key points.

80 pts conceded at the semi final last year and the final this year.