Help me!
Where did mel's damage output that she got me that low without hitting anything? I'm gold, still dont understand where damage comes from
I also died alot this game, 12 times to be exactly, im not the best but watching this clip i cant see where all her damage came from or what i could have done to kill her faster, i feel ive dodged everything pretty well.
Mel’s passive adds damage to her next auto every time she uses an ability whether or not she hits you with it.
I believe her sequence here is:
-Mel uses W. No effect, adds 1 stack
-Mel uses E. You dodge, still adds 1 stack
-Mel tries to combo E into Q but it misses, though it still adds 1 stack for the max of 3
-Mel ignites you.
-Mel autos you, fully charged with the three stacks, also applying 1 stack of overwhelm
-Mel ults you before you manage to stun her, perhaps thinking she hit with more abilities than she did (or panicking). It deals 1 overwhelm stack’s worth of damage
-she might auto you a second time, it’s hard to see
so yes, she dealt that much damage after missing every ability, with only 1 auto, her ult, and ignite
I see, i guess champs as such i gotta respect them, in that game we had a sett who also died alot but was able to melt me down, my bad for being so confident, so much to learn about pyke
well she did still die, and feeding pyke (turbo squishy) solo'd her from full health with 20-30% of his own health remaining. What more do you want lol, he's a support.
I also die a lot with Pyke. When it works out it’s so nice but some champions can just tap you if they are a bit stronger than you. But I also realized Pyke does the same thing. Assassins…
Heyo, checking in here, the above is mostly right EXCEPT each passive hit also stacks overwhelm. Each charge is 3 bolts, so her fully charged auto stacked 10 overwhelm on you, which she ulted on.
I never knew this about mel but i ban her habitually. Lately ive been picking sylas and laughing when they panic reflect my e2 and it just pulls them to me lmao
I was clarified by a friend that she had 300 hp and armor with zhonyas thats why i needed literally my whole kit to kill her and ignite, well that's fair, i think the damage is absurd but i was also told she had 400 ap and thats enough to oneshot.
Zhonyas gives you 50 armour, it doesn't give hp, the stat difference probably comes from 1 the level difference, 2 the number of items, you said you were behind because you died a lot, we can't see the items either of you have but puke feels really bad when behind.
Even tho yes ap champs deal a lot of damage, and for pyke even more so cause you can't increase your hp almost ever champ on this scenario would win this fight, it it was an adc you probably wouldn't even be able to get your E to come back to you of he stood still and autoed you in a straight 1v1@
because, contrary to your champ, she doesn't stealth, doesn't dash. She has damage but since her passives requires her to be in range of AA, this damage is linked to putting herself in danger to use it or stay at range with easier to dodge skillshots.
This type of ap mages have to tiptoe the line between dealing damage/putting themselves in danger.
And as you proved in this clip, you have the means (dash, movespeed) to avoid the most of her damage. Not saying it is easy to do, but that's how the matchup ap mage/assassin go.
Also, like you're a support, she is a midlaner and you still can win by being down so much more gold. Seems pretty balanced on each side for me.
Cute write up, you definitely got the right idea, but supports are hugely powerful. One well timed thresh hook or lux snare can win a game. But pyke doesn't shield or really do anything to help his allies like those champs. And he's only down like half of an item dude. That's not that much gold. She literally missed every single skill she possibly could. He didn't just dodge her ability with his like you claimed; he burned his flash for that. You definitely get the gist of the interaction but that seems like a pretty blatant champ gap to me. I haven't played in a long time so I'm not familiar with Mel but this looks pretty disgusting 🤷
she's a "win lane, lose game" champ : high spell damage but really bad ap scaling, no mr shredding/true damage.. so building mr counters her hard.. All that means she falls off hard after ~25min.
She's a pain to face in lane though.
She's strongest in lane and falls off lmao. She's just a terrible champion but her kit is annoying and she's a lane bully so people hate her.
Late game unless she's reflecting some big ult with her W she's basically a short ranged Xerath with bad AP scalings. Which means she's just not a champion if she's not fed 20+ minutes into the game.
I believe Mel gets 3 stacks of whatever it is whenever she uses an ability. She used W, E and Q. Although those didnt hit, she autoed you and applied them all. You had Like 10. And then just pressed R. And another auto i believe.
W, r, and passive, her passive makes it so she does more damage on her next autoattack based on how many times she touched you with her skills.
Mel is genuinely a retarded champ to play against
To clarify, wether she hit you with a spell doesn't matter. After casting a spell her next AA is empowered to cast 3 additional bolts for magic damage onto the opponent, each one applying another stack of her Overwhelm. And casting multiple spells in a row stores these empowered hits till her next AA up to a cap.
She cast all of her 3 spells, missed, and used her empowered AA, which put 9 additional stacks on OP (+1 for the rehular auto attack).
You only dodged Q though, and that was because she had shit aim.
If she didnt panic and wasnt hard carried by the champ, mel could have just saved her W until you used E and you were dead.
Look at pyke's healthbar after the flash. The E didn't hit. She misplayed in every way the champ can be misplayed, then right clicked someone as a mage.
you started by autoing into her W which meant you basically did no damage with your auto and voltaic, she then pressed her EQ buttons (albeit missing all) which grants her 9 stacks of overwhelm on his passive. She then autos you and applies 10 stacks total to you inclusive of the auto attack giving one and ignites you at lvl 16 (so 425 true damage from ignite) then she ults for 10 overwhelm stacks worth of damage (ult damage scales off stacks applied) + base ult damage and then autos again to apply 4 more overwhelm stacks (the stacks itself don’t matter much now but each time she applies it she has the extra damage from her passive)
Since everyone else already explained the damage I want to add that you can be glad that she just randomly used W for no reason whatsoever. If she just waits for you to E her she just instakills you with no counterplay on your side, fuck that champ
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u/Acrobatic_Plant2937 4d ago
Mel’s passive adds damage to her next auto every time she uses an ability whether or not she hits you with it.
I believe her sequence here is:
-Mel uses W. No effect, adds 1 stack
-Mel uses E. You dodge, still adds 1 stack
-Mel tries to combo E into Q but it misses, though it still adds 1 stack for the max of 3
-Mel ignites you.
-Mel autos you, fully charged with the three stacks, also applying 1 stack of overwhelm
-Mel ults you before you manage to stun her, perhaps thinking she hit with more abilities than she did (or panicking). It deals 1 overwhelm stack’s worth of damage
-she might auto you a second time, it’s hard to see
so yes, she dealt that much damage after missing every ability, with only 1 auto, her ult, and ignite
Pyke squishy late game, Mel weird and broken