r/lebanon • u/Residual-Heat • Apr 08 '26

Vent / Rant Everyone's a winner (except Lebanon)

Depending on who you ask everyone is a winner. Israel and USA say they won, Iran and Hezbollah will claim victory.

Lebanon is left with 1500+ dead civilians, nearly a million refugees, and occupied lands in the south.

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

So if the army is not allowed to have gear, we go create a whole armed wing from external funding, with better equipment than the actual army, use our leverage in the political system to control everything in the country and spread bureaucracy, go on a series of assassinations for 30 years, and having the ultimate decision over dragging the whole country into a war. Imagine doing all that and having the audacity to blame the government for not protecting you. As for the Hezb combatants joining the army if this happens, where did you get this idea? Did you not see the countless videos, interviews, etc... of Hezb supporters and even decision makers saying "ntoro bas ta nofdalkun"?

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

I'm simply answering your point about the hezeb joining the army, you say law baddon keno 3emlowa, I'm telling you leh ma 3emlowa, w lesh ma32oul ba3d hal 7arb ya3mlowa.. the discussion wasn't about hezbollah's choices, wen ro7et Khayyeh? As for the videos of supporters, I've seen worse from people who despise ordinary shias, and honestly after the way the government handled the situation and turned its back on the people of the south I wouldn't expect anything less, ra7 yetfaddoulon I'm sure.. just not the way you think.. if Israel retreats and the US stops aiding them militarily to the extent that they used to, the Lebanese position will shift, the only way to maintain the survival of a Lebanese state will be to stop demonizing Hezbollah and work hand in hand for a better future

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

I don't think I dragged it too far from the main discussion. If you don't think those have something to do with the ideology of HA and why they won't go hand in hand with the government, that's a problem. So regarding of what you said are the reasons, I guess this is going to be surprising for you but those ain't why Hezb won't join the army 💀

The government turned its back on what happened for 15 months in the South argument that never fails... Bro by the end of the first war, HA signed an agreement that they will give up their arsenal, so while the government was "turning its back to them", it was supposed to be fighting them and forcing them to give up their weapons. Which it didn't, to prevent an internal war. Why is this point so blurry for Hezb? This whole time they were being attacked, it was part of a deal they signed to stop the first war. The government wasn't supposed to protect them, in fact it was supposed to take away their weapons! Which actually happened only one time where they said le2yo makhzan sleh bi saida and the poor army went to investigate and boom hezb ken mfakhakhlun.

Leh ma aam te2naao eno obviously lnes ma ha theb hal hezeb after kelshi aamlo? Hopefully eza the outcome bi kun metel ma aam t2ul they will have the chance to redeem themselves bas I don't think this is how it's going to go down after everything that we're hearing. You don't say "bukra btshufo shu ha naamil fikun bas tokhlas lhareb" and mean "bas tkhlas lharb ha neje nhot idna b idkun w nhebkun"

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

You are unbelievably dense.. I am literally telling you I'm not talking about any of that, I'm simply answering one simple point you raised, which is why the hezeb could not and would not join the army in a world where the army isn't allowed to carry heavy weaponry.. and here you are still discussing the same thing, min jeb Siret kill hol Khayyeh? Enta elet law baddon keno min zamen ndammo, ana 3am b2ellak el sabab yalle byemna3on yendammo, ma baddak tet2abbal stofil, nothing you said addresses my answer to you, you wanna ignore it and justify your deflection by saying everything is connected, ba3mel metlak? I can talk about the civil war and the massacres and the invasion and a million other things, how would that address the initial point you raised?

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

Bro used the most used speech tactic for hezb, li b sher3ak b kun kezzeb, aw ahbal, w eza mara sharmouta.

You brought out hezb joining the army after all this, the to2sir ldawle with the South, and us demonizing hezb. When I reply, sort dense w min jeb siretun w nehna bas aam nehke aan leh lhezeb ma ndam lal jesh before w leh they might/might never do it, lean kel comment shi.

Hal2ad btefham khaye..

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

So basically what I hear is you always ignore the points other people raise and deflect and drag the conversation to a different place, and then they tell you about it, and you label them as hezeb, you've basically labeled everything that you're unable to confront as a "hezeb tactic".. and you're doubling down on stupid and still refusing to look back at the point I made and now you want to make the entire focus on the part about the second part about joining after the war, that part is still unrelated to the initial point you raised, to which I replied.. khallik 3a ghalatak, w 2oul 3anne ma befham (it's literally the hezeb tactic you accused me of), projection to the extreme

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

Bro hkit aan klshi ent hkit aano and still addressed the main thing we were talking about. And you kept saying eno I'm dragging the conversation la gher mahalet.. And when I call you out for it you take it completely out of context.

Khalas mart ltene bas ente tehke w t2elna leh lhezb byaamil li byaamlo ha nou2af kelna w nza2eflak.

Ent law btrakkiz ma knt aslan elet eno I labeled you as hezeb even tho I didn't. Meshe lhal man, shurake2 bl watan at the end of the day.

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

Min ento? M7assasne ka2anne jeye mnil fada.. aw ka2anne 3am defe3 3an el 7ezeb.. shurake2? Ahbal enta.. you're excluding yourself from whatever group you're putting me in and talking as if everyone in here is in your group and I'm in some other group and now being all righteous and extending your hand to me as if I'm on the other side.. film mexiceh.. no you didn't respond to the point I made, and yes you dragged the conversation elsewhere, and you're accusing me of literally everything you did.. enta rakkez Khayyeh, "The hezeb could not and will not join the Lebanese army in a world where the Lebanese army is not allowed to defend the nation".. b3ida ba3d marra? Fi shi min kill yalle 7kiton 7adertak bijeweb 3a hal no2ta? This was my direct answer to your initial claim (law baddon keno 3emlowa).. tfaffal 7adertak rakkez, mafi ba2a awda7 min hek, ya shrikeh bel watan

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

Man mn awal l discussion eltelak eno ente me2teni3 eno lhezeb kermel hek ma bado yendam lal jesh? Msh hayda lsabab. Law bas hayde lmeshkle ma byaamlo li byaamlou, kenet ktir wadih eno law hayde meshkeltun maa hayda lshi ma b rouho byaamlo kel hal khbar. Ma hakye kamen wadih. Ho msh recent history w aam hettak fiyun, ho eshya mawjoude for all to see. W bdak t2ele jame3a btetsaraf bhal tari2a kenit meshkelta eno ma badun ykuno b jesh ma fi ydefi3 aan halo? La w bas tekhlas lkhabriye ha yelteh2o bl jesh.. Eltelak kif bt2emin eno bas tkhlas hal khabriye ha yerjaao yendamo lal jesh ma aam tshuf shu aam yehko ljame3a? Emt reht aa hay radet b shi schizophrenic.

W hayda l powerpoint ntaha, Power BI on the way. Khafif falsafe w rakiz aktar w ma taamil fiya eno eza jit bl ouwe ta tali3 lwahad ahbal yaane ha tozbat maak aatoul.

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

You're still not addressing the point, fine ellak ennak enta Kamen me2tene3 enno Hayda manno el sabab, shou byenfa3, 7adertak sa2alt so2al, ana 3titak jaweb, baddak tredd t2oul kill shi bta3rfo bala ma twejib 3al no2ta yalle ana 2elta, ye3ne eza bredd 3a afkarak bkoun 3am bzett el no2ta el mhemme bel zbeleh, bet7eb tredd 3al shi yalle ana tara7to, ahla w Sahla, baddak tghodd el Nazar la2an ma ader tna2ed el fekra w ta3teh afkar tenyeh (that don't debunk the initial claim whatsoever) then I will consider this as you taking the conversation elsewhere and refusing to stay on point.. you then go and insult me, and then when I confront you btejine bi mante2 enno ana 3am besta2we 3lek, ya sadi2, ya shrik bel watan, enta 3am bte2ra El baddak yeh w tshoufne 3a zaw2ak, ana kill shi 3am ba3mlo enne 3am breddak 3a no2tet el khilef.. mannak majbour tne2ish eza ma ader tjeweb, bass talama 3am tel3ab w tdour 7awalen nafssak w toussal la estentejet 3anne, ana majbour wadde7lak aghlatak.. we can agree to disagree, but to insult me and then rub your brotherly nonsense in my face as if I'm against my own country is something I won't let slide.. I won't be responding to you anymore 2arafte walla, just setting the record straight, feel free to read all our conversation and do some introspection, you've judged me because you can only see your point of view and have been projecting your fear onto me all this time, ma 7ada ejek bel 2owweh killo bi 3a2lak, de2 el beb w sma3 El jaweb as they say

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

Ma aam e2dar efham eza shakhes alak "no ma maak ha2" and then gave you arguments to back his claims kif bikun ma aam yjewbak aa li hkito. Batalit hata mshklit ideology baynetna sorna aam nehke basic debate etiquette.

Check ktir mnih who was the first to insult... Baarif exactly shu behke man ana behke for a living just so you know. So msh ana tbalet aalek w taabtak, you were first to insult and I was first to de-escalate bas you wouldn't take it.

That being said, all good, I really have no hard feelings and like you said we can agree to disagree bl siyese w bi 2wenin l debate club lol. Be safe man

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u/oussamawd Apr 08 '26

You literally just said it, you were operating on the basis of an ideological difference, I'm not from the south, I'm not with the hezeb, I'm simply a dude who told you something that you still won't address till now, and you're just looking at me through your own bigoted lens, natrak t2oul 3anne hezbo ba3d la tekmal.. Khalass man 7el 3an rabbe.. mannak fehem shou 3am b2ellak w ba3dak kebiss.. yel3an el se3a yalle ne2ashtak fiya shou ennak ghaliz

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u/Mr8addad Lebanese Apr 08 '26

Ente msh tabi3e man 🤣

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