r/funhaus • u/RT_Video_Bot • Dec 02 '17
Funhaus Video TO INFINITY WAR AND BEYOND! - Movie Podcast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sINV8Rn-I056
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u/Jande71395 Dec 02 '17
About the choreography discussion:
I was a huge fan of the Marvel Ultimate Alliance games and the tag team moves in it, so when I saw Avengers the big Manhattan scene was just a big fangasm. Just seeing the fluidity of the actions was awesome, and to agree with Bruce point from the last podcast, the fact that it was in daylight added so much to it.
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u/2canbeasbad Dec 02 '17
When it comes to Iron Man's chest arc reactor, here's kind of the timeline of it:
Iron Man 1 - As Lawrence said, he installs it to stop the shrapnel from reaching his heart.
Iron Man 2 - The arc reactor he built in a cave (WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS) has a poisonous element which he eventually improves upon with a new element that continues to block the shrapnel and somehow reverses the poisoning.
Iron Man 3 - At the end Tony Stark utilizes the new Extremis treatment (used by the villain which gave him the ability to heal from anything) to finally be able to safely undergo surgery to have the shrapnel removed from his chest and thus no longer need the chest arc reactor.
Infinity War (?) - There's a couple of theories as to why he's wearing it again but one of them is that he either develops a new technology or copies the Black Panther's technology which allows the suit to sort of just appear on him (check the latest Black Panther trailer for how his suit appears) and the chest reactor could be where the suit spreads out from.
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Dec 02 '17 edited Dec 08 '17
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u/RouzRedditz Dec 02 '17
The new black panther mask looks kind of weird, seeing his eyes just makes it look creepier
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u/deathbyboobies Dec 03 '17
Yeah, I'm hoping those are just trailer graphic stuff (like the first trailer for GotG) and that in the actual movie, it'll be white or covered. The last look of Black Panther in the Black Panther trailer has his eyes showing in the suit as well. Looks kinda silly that way.
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u/JohnRSoviet Dec 03 '17
It could be a thing where the eye coverings can retract for dramatic purposes (to let us see the hero's eyes to get a better feel for emotion). Or it's like you said and it's simply an early shot where his eyes are visible so the actor can see, and they'll add the eye covering in post.
Considering that there are shots in the Black Panther Trailer and the Infinity War trailer where his eyes are covered, I think it's safe to say the white eyes are the default look. Which is a relief because I think the Black Panther costume is badass.
I also want to add that I think the Blue-Collar-Thanos design is pretty cool. I like the utilitarian "I'm here to do work" feel it gives off.
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u/YossarianWWII Dec 03 '17
He's definitely wearing a very weird-looking jacket in the trailer, so my guess is that you are correct and it's some sort of framework for his new suit.
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u/packit87 Dec 03 '17
Wait isn’t it part of the suit now like war machines
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u/samsaBEAR Dec 03 '17
It is yeah but in the IW trailer there's a shot of Tony with just a hoody on, but still with an arc reactor. He doesn't need to have one in his chest anymore, thus people are theorising like the OP said that it's based on Wakandan tech that allows the suit to be stored in the arc reactor and all Tony needs to do is carry it around with him.
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Dec 02 '17
I’m glad Bruce mentioned how the CGI is typically bad for both Marvel and DC. It just makes sense that a good movie doesn’t get criticized for it because people focus on the positive while it gets pointed out in a not as good movie because negatives pile up.
First time watching the trailer, I was underwhelmed until Bucky showed up since I really like his character. Then Thor and the Guardians got me a bit more into it. It wasn’t until I viewed it outside of the scope of just a movie and thought about the whole journey we had getting here that I got hyped. Every subsequent viewing afterwards had me excited for Black Panther and this. I’m a DC fanboy but Marvel is just doing everything right.
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u/samsaBEAR Dec 03 '17
Thor is a great example in the CGI discussion, the shots of them in Norway are just plain awful, especially when Odin is looking out over the cliff. Considering from the trailers we know that part was originally set in New York it's just so painfully obvious that it's been green screened in places.
But no one talks about it because the rest of the CGI was on point, it wasn't like in JL where simple shots of Cyborg walking up to the team were fucking terrible, not to mention that awful moustache.
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u/Deltango Dec 04 '17
I am 80% sure that they actually shot in Norway.
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u/samsaBEAR Dec 04 '17
They did, that's what makes them so much worse. When the camera is focused on them it looks fine but when Odin is looking out to sea it's just so bad, it's very clear that either he's been added in post-production or the sea has.
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u/Deltango Dec 04 '17
I had to tell my friends that it was actually shot in Norway because of that green screen.
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u/badgarok725 Dec 11 '17
Just like that awful Justice League shot in the corn field. You obviously shot in that corn field so why CG that specific angle?
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u/JohnRSoviet Dec 03 '17
And that's why Justice League fell so flat in comparison. I doubt you'll see someone who genuinely loved every single Marvel movie. Sure, none of them were necessarily bad, but there were some people didn't like as much (the FH crew mention Iron Man 2 and 3) and some that could be considered forgettable (cough Thor: The Dark World cough) but everyone's got that one or two movies they absolutely adored. Seeing the characters you really like being a part of a sprawling epic adventure is the payoff you can only get by building that foundation for nearly a decade.
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u/bacon316 Dec 03 '17 edited Dec 03 '17
That mantis stuff cracked me up! So random haha. My dad built sets for that show back in the day and I still have a promotional poster/prop/thing from it on my wall.
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Dec 03 '17
For anyone who didn't know:
Infinity Stones
Reality Stone (Red) - Currently with The Collector, as of Thor: The Dark World.
Space Stone (Blue) - In the Tesseract. In the trailer, we can see Loki with the Tesseract.
Power Stone (Purple) - With the Nova Corps, in Xandar, as of Guardians of the Galaxy.
Time Stone (Green) - In the Eye of Agamotto, as of Doctor Strange.
Mind Stone (Yellow) - In Vision's forehead. In the trailer, we can see someone (probably of the Black Order) taking it out of him.
Soul Stone (Orange) - Unknown.
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u/Helmet_Icicle Dec 05 '17
Soul gem is almost definitely with Adam Warlock.
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u/Papatheodorou Dec 05 '17
I've heard it could be with Black Panther, and it's what allows him to talk to past kings. Would also explain why Thanos attacks Wakanda
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u/i_heart_calibri_12pt Dec 02 '17
I’m with Adam in being kinda skeptical about a movie with like 60 goddamn characters across the globe and with some even in space. Like, how do you even write a compelling story that gives every major hero screen time? I’m sure it won’t be Justice League bad since we know the characters but it’s still insanely ambitious.
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u/F00dbAby Dec 02 '17 edited Dec 03 '17
I think the idea is or what I've pieced together is they are putting everyone in groups so it's a group journey rather than a character one which I can see working
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u/JohnRSoviet Dec 03 '17
In interviews, the directors and writers have mentioned that they're trying to work around this problem by making Thanos the quasi-main character. Everyone else has had their own movies to establish themselves, so this movie has Thanos as the keystone that keeps the story grounded.
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u/F00dbAby Dec 03 '17
That could work. Now my concern is can they write thanos well enough. I already think he was well cast.
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u/JohnRSoviet Dec 03 '17
I really like his "But this... does put a smile on my face." line. He's given a great deal of gravitas in the trailer (which is warranted) but that line lets us know he does have a personality.
Granted, they did a similar thing with Ultron, and unfortunately they ended up giving him too much personality (turning him into what I call a "Whedon villain"). But based on how the Russos handled Zemo and Bucky, I'm leaning more towards cautious optimism that Thanos will be a suitably heavy character while not falling into the same pitfalls that most Marvel villains fall into.
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u/F00dbAby Dec 03 '17
Agreed. I did already imagine thanos as being a tyrant that takes pleasure in it.
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u/cokevanillazero Dec 03 '17
I don't know if you're familiar with his comic incarnation, but you're kinda close.
He's not a Joker-y "I LOVE BEING EVIL" kind of guy. He's not insane. He's reasonable, pragmatic, and goal oriented. He doesn't play games or do the whole mustache twirling villain thing. He's so detached from concepts of good and evil that he can enjoy what he does without seeming indulgent.
That's what makes him so scary. He's a guy who worships death, and you're in his way. Any means justifies the end.
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u/camzabob Dec 03 '17
He's a guy who worships death
For those that don't know, this is quite literal. The cosmic entity, Death, is portrayed as a woman, whom Thanos is in love with. I love this, as it is such an interesting and unique motivation.
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u/cokevanillazero Dec 03 '17
Very literal. When he was a kid his brother Eros was like "HEY DEATH IS KINDA RAD." and Thanos is like "YES I AGREE." and he literally fell in love with Death the entity and the concept.
And he tries way too hard to impress her and she aint buying it. So basically he's a giant fucking nerd.
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u/F00dbAby Dec 03 '17
I think that also makes sense why all his children are so different in power set. If he is how you say he is then his children are all pragmatically chosen.
He sounds good.
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u/cokevanillazero Dec 03 '17
He's fallen into the same place in modern comics that Dr. Doom has, actually.
Where writing wise they've left behind the "black and white/good and evil" thing and gone more into a gray area where they have more wiggle room as characters.
Case in point. There was a story some years ago called Annihilation, where an unstoppable army of trillions and trillions of insect warriors called the Annihilation Wave came from another dimension and were obliterating entire civilizations in their wake.
Thanos helps the Annihilation Wave at first out of pure curiosity, and when he finds out the goal of the Wave is to exterminate all life (No life, no Death. And he loves Death.) he turns on them.
He WOULD have been instrumental in their defeat if Drax didn't tear his heart out as he was releasing Galactus (Who Thanos helped capture)
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u/jer706 Dec 03 '17
Well if it helps Jim Starlin, creator of Thanos, did visit the set of Avengers 3/4 a month or so ago and said that he’s very happy with what the Russo are doing with Thanos
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u/F00dbAby Dec 03 '17
That certainly makes me very optimistic. But at the same time why would they allow the creator to bad mouth their movie
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u/camzabob Dec 03 '17
Don't know the guy very well, but he does have the option of saying nothing. I love people like that, I think James Gunn said Avengers Age of Ultron was just alright or something along those lines.
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u/YossarianWWII Dec 03 '17
Who says that they're going to give every major hero major screen time? One of the reasons these ensemble movies have worked so well for Marvel is that they can fill the minor roles with characters that are already well-developed, giving a little more heft to what's going on. Most recently, we had that with Dr. Strange in Ragnarok.
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u/SwishDota Dec 03 '17
On Adams point that the MCU is basically becoming a TV show with how each movie feels like an 'episode'.
I would argue that what they're doing is taking the model directly from the actual comic lines and somehow made it work in a set of movies. Each movie acts as it's own 6-12 issue story arc, with a big giant commercial blockbuster crossover arc with all their main characters once every few years to keep everything exciting.
DC and Marvel Comics have been doing this for decades at this point.
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u/moose_man Dec 05 '17
Except comics come out once a month across dozens of series, and these movies come out a few times a year.
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u/HankLago Dec 03 '17
This has been discussed to death, but their point about setup and payoff with the Marvel movies ("tip of the pyramid") was still spot on.
I had seen most of the Marvel films before The Avengers and I absolutely loved it, despite never having cared that much for Marvel. I actually cheered like a kid when the Hulk started smashing things. My dad watched the movie with me and he had not seen any of the other films. His reaction was completely different, he pretty much said "well... it was mostly noise and explosions". If Avengers had come out without any of the prior films setting up those characters it wouldn't have been much different from "Transformers", which I absolutely hate.
It speaks volumes about those films that they made me give a shit about characters like Thor and Captain America.
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u/Typicalgeekusername Dec 03 '17
Just coming here to say LOVE ACTUALLY IS A TREASURE DAMMIT. u/fh_adam
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u/packit87 Dec 02 '17
Did the helmet make thanos head small or did they just make his head bigger he looked cool in guardians 1
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u/minormammoth Dec 03 '17
So is Thanos Gets His Hat Back a good idea for a children's story? Who do I contact regarding licencing?
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Dec 03 '17
I'm pretty annoyed at the obvious redesign of Thanos. Dude did not look like a purple Bruce Willis in the end credits of the first Avengers movie or even in the first Guardians movie either. I get they now want to showcase Josh Brolin more so with the character since he's gonna do more than sit in a chair. Still, the obvious change in the design has made him look worse.
I'm still excited for the movie however. But I am still getting really fatigued over comic book movies. I think once this film ends and a new series is hinted at I might take a big break from them all. Can't just quit when we got one (possibly two) left to go in this story!
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u/Ghostbuzz Dec 03 '17
a purple Bruce Willis
This is exactly what I thought when I first saw the trailer, I'm actually surprised none of them made a Die Hard joke
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u/shakarat Dec 03 '17
Does anyone know what arrested development thing is James talking about at 11:30?
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u/PlasticSoul1297 Dec 03 '17
The directors both directed a good few episodes of AD. I think James was just remarking the career jump, going from a critically acclaimed (albeit commercially unsuccessful) comedy, to what it currently the most popular action/adventure franchise in the world. They also worked a fair bit on Community.
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u/accio_brain Dec 05 '17
In regard to the preview of a future episode, Elyse, have you seen Muppet Family Christmas? It's selling for $125 right now and I'd much rather you tell us about it instead of paying that.
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Dec 03 '17
I was thinking is it possible people are critical of some CG effects just because they know a lot of the "tricks". Meaning most people these days know that Spiderman is almost all CG in the action scenes so you look at him and it's easy to say "oh this cg looks bad"
Kind of like watching a magic show and knowing how the tricks are done and even if the magician does them really well you still think "oh this is bad" or "this is not great"
Because I feel the CG in these movies it's pretty good and honestly very convincing. Sure when you know that Spiderman is CG it's kind of easy to say "oh well that doesn't look very real" you start looking for those tiny imperfections and even if you don't see them knowing that its CG makes your brain just see it as not real.
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u/Jordan00305 Dec 03 '17
Jesus Christ I thought I was gonna have a stroke listening to you guys try to name the infinity stones. Here’s all of them
Avengers tesseract: space stone Visions head: Mind stone Guardians of the galaxy the orb: power stone Thor the dark world aether: Reality stone Doctor Strange eye of agamotto: time stone
The only one that we haven’t seen yet is the soul stone which is inside Adam Worlocks head.
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u/samsaBEAR Dec 03 '17
Adam Warlock has the Soul Stone in the comics but that doesn't mean he'll have it in the MCU. I reckon the Wakandan theory is going to be correct although I personally hope it isn't true, I think it takes away from the African roots if T'Challa uses the Soul Stone to talk to previous Black Panthers instead of a tribal ritual.
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u/RouzRedditz Dec 03 '17
It's most likely in Wakanda, James Gunn has said that Adam Warlock isn't in Avengers 3 & 4 and will come in GOTG 3
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u/Jordan00305 Dec 03 '17
That could be yet but I’m not fully dedicated to that. Just because in the end credits of guardians of the galaxy two makes it seem like he has the soul stone and that is what keeps him alive.
Warlock and the soul stone are one in the same if I remember correctly.
But it maybe the Wakandan theory :)
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u/Tujci Dec 03 '17
Can you guys explain to me who only watched the movies, why is Adam Warlock a big thing ? Everybody seems really excited about him since GoTG vol. 1.
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u/samsaBEAR Dec 03 '17
Adam Warlock is a major player in cosmic Marvel and like said above during the source comic run he was the holder of the Soul Stone. People are excited for him because with Captain Marvel, Thor 3 and Guardians Marvel are slowly starting to open up that cosmic side more and more and character like Adam Warlock should be next on the list to introduce.
It's the same for a character called Nova, he's also huge on the cosmic side and a fan favourite but the only reference to him so far is the Nova Corps in Guardians.
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u/SwishDota Dec 03 '17
I prefer the idea that Heimdall has it inside of him. He talks about being able to see trillions of souls in the Thor movies.
Especially when you break it down to spell thanos:
- T - Tesseract
- H - Heimdall
- A - Aether
- N - Necklace (of Agamotto)
- O - Orb (Guardians 2)
- S - Scepter (Loki's Scepter in Avengers 1)
Granted, that's stretching, but still.
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '17
I'm gonna be that guy who comes in and defends Iron Man 3. Adam keeps saying (starts around 19:10) that him getting the arc reactor removed is him basically getting rid of the one things that makes him different and special - which is the exact opposite message of the movie. The entire point of Iron Man 3 is that Tony realizes that his power ISN'T his suit or the arc reactor, it's his own ingenuity and resourcefulness. The movie doesn't end when he removes the arc reactor, the real last shot of the movie is him summing this idea up - he repeats his line from Iron Man 1, and says that, even though he's gotten rid of the arc reactor, even though his house is gone, even though he's destroyed all his armors, he is still Iron Man. It's who he is. That's the point of the movie, and it seems like Adam in particular (as well as other members of Funhaus) completely missed that message.