r/destinycirclejerk • u/PsychWard_8 • Oct 21 '25
Bungie Suggestion Are Hunters the most oppressed minority in Gaming?
Also, why does this community tolerate Hunter-phobes like Aztecross?
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u/snakebight Oct 21 '25
Warlocks disenfranchised me and took away my voting rights.
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u/Kashema1 Bungie Suggester Oct 22 '25
God damn Jim Crow (RIP Uldren đđ) laws causing systemic injustice against Hunters. Notice how they havenât been considered good since Cayde diedâŚ
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u/MyBankk Nessus Froge Oct 21 '25
Check any post on dtg about hunters and you are 100% guaranteed to see this guy, either as the OP or top comment complaining about something
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u/yakubson1216 Oct 23 '25
Because as soon as one Hunter cries "need buff plz" every last one of them suddenly becomes a video game dev balance expert and PvP magically doesn't exist as a relevant part of the game despite making up half the player activity time.
Its the most echoey chamber out there.
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u/BloodFartMoon Oct 25 '25
I mean thats only an issue because bungie refuses to make it so some things dont apply in the crucible
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u/quartzcrit SIVA SIVA SIVA SIVA SIVA SIVA SIVA Oct 21 '25
hunters have gone almost an entire MONTH without being able to oneshot raid bosses with a single grapple melee, this is just like jim crow
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u/Affectionate_Elk_496 Oct 21 '25
/uj This whole "hunters bad" thing recently is so funny because from EoF launch to the "class identity" update, Prism hunter was considered to be oppressively strong in PvE and didn't even get any major nerfs. We forgot that whole 3 month period of nuclear bomb grapples every 5 seconds because buddies now scale with grenade stat??
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u/hfzelman Oct 21 '25
/uj whatâs crazier to me, is that hunters were by far the worst pve subclass (2019-2022) to the point that no one even debated it and it just became so accepted that hunters were almost completely useless that you didnât even see people complaining about how atrocious the situation was.
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u/BisexualHexagon Oct 22 '25
For real, it was wild how hunters just got ignored for years in PvE. It's like the community just accepted that they were the underdogs and moved on. Now that theyâre getting some love, it's a whole shift in narrative. Guess itâs all about the meta, huh?
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u/hfzelman Oct 22 '25
I think itâs a combination of people not having a collective understanding/memory of how good or bad something is historically and that until Witch Queen with the advent of the 3.0 subclasses I donât remember people complaining that much about their class not being good in pve. Like outside of melting point and vanilla d2 pulse grenades, titans were also really niche but since the power level of abilities were so low it didnât really matter. I think GMs and Contest Mode day 1s made it really clear that hunters outside of GG for specifically Garden of Salvation and the Witness werenât useful as cuirass, nova bomb, well, etc.. were just far better
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u/Kashema1 Bungie Suggester Oct 22 '25
Pretty much any time after Beyond Light came out, Hunters were the most useless class you could take into a GM, unless if Titans were in an absolutely horrible spot. But even then, it was just grabbing an Invis Hunter so that you can get revives off. Wow. So useful.
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u/hfzelman Oct 22 '25
Yeah hunters had 3 purposes in pve and 2 of them became obsolete by 2021 (golden gun got powercrept by cuirass/nova bomb and tether by seasonal artifact debuffs, tractor, div, etcâŚ) invis was still useful for skipping certain encounters while farming GMs but thatâs about it
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u/Kashema1 Bungie Suggester Oct 22 '25
Not only did people forget, itâs still extremely good. The issue with it is that itâs a melee build, at the end of the day, and getting max damage requires a lot of setup. Hence, thereâs no situation in which youâd ever use it in Desert Perpetual over a Titan or Warlock. Conquests, you canât bring class items in, making it a bit difficult. Really only usable in specific legacy dungeon and raid scenarios, and of course in Portal, but with the power delta changes, Portal is really damn easy. Itâs not that build is bad by any means, itâs extremely powerful, it just doesnât have any âusefulâ use cases.
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u/ImawhaleCR Oct 22 '25
/uj the grapple builds were obviously unintentional and got nerfed as verity lost its multiplicative scaling, and even if those builds remained in full effect they scaled horribly as you needed combination blow and adds to kill for stylish, which with 6 players wasn't feasible.
It's exactly the same thing we had with final shape, where hunter had a single build that slightly overperformed at launch, which then got promptly nerfed.
Hunters have been bad for a very long time, mainly due to the fact that bungie make changes that just aren't significant. It's also obviously the worst class now, no amount of niche short-lived builds at launch will change that.
The buddy changes show that bungie are capable of more impactful adjustments, but instead they keep reworking on your mark and bought ranger without making them even close to powerful
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u/Soggy_Promotion2606 Oct 22 '25
I main a warlock and I am able to do the weekly mythic missions on EOF solo.
I didnât think Iâd be able to do the same on hunter but had little issue tbh.
I remember hunters having a bad reputation in PVE during the rites of the nine, when doing ultimatum people would just be accepting meta warlock and titan builds. Personally I always left my LFG open and some of the hardest bosses were cleared with a hunter in my fireteam.
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u/DragonfruitSudden339 Oct 22 '25
/uj 3 month? That shit got nerfed hard lile 3 wdeks in, then got another nerf a couple weeks later.
Since about lightfall, post the suspend nerf, hunters have been in a constant cycle.
Step 1: OP melee build for approximately a month, maybe 2
Step 2: nerf pretty hard.
Step 3: desperately try to keep up with DR stacking and limited healing, but fail epically
And that cycle is just on repeat, outside of the brief stint with still hunt, which even then wasnt that good outside of certain raid encounters. Sure, it was good, but other builds exceeded it in most content by a good margin.
Like I'm not gunna sit here and bitch and moan for hours or on literally every post like the guy in this picture does do over there, but come on man, can we please get out of this cycle. I'm sick of hunter being the melee class, that also does dr stacking sometimes.
It's part of why I hate powercreep so much, hunter's identity during stasis prominence, void 3.0 initially, and solar 3.0 initially felt good. Stasis was about doing a bunch of renewals or coldsnaps, it was controlling the battlefield. Void 3.0 was debuffing, and invis, solar 3.0 sent into the solar weapons stacking kills a bunch.
But nowadays, with how busted guardians are, controlling the battlefield is next to useless, why go invis when you can just DR stack, and why use gun when you can use ability? Destiny plays massively differently than it used to, just a few years ago, and that change in playstyle has crippled hunter identity.
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u/wiredbombshell Oct 22 '25
Hunter = 12 year old squeaker in mic chomping on cereal. We will refer to this as âhâ.
Raids = happy fun times. We will refer to this as ârâ
r+h=kms there no more happy fun times Jesus fuck JUST BOOT HIM BRUH
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u/Tridentgreen33Here Oct 22 '25
*Plurality, Hunters are like 45% of the population iirc.
You want a real minority, Warlocks are like 20% yet do 70% of support builds that carry the other classes in high end content.
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u/monkeypea1212 Oct 21 '25
uj/ I'm a hunter main, but I am so sick of this fucking discussion.
It started with Titans complaining that they weren't strong enough and weren't used in a single encounter of a raid, despite being really good everywhere else. Bungie listened to the bitching and giga buffed Titan and made them very strong.
Then we've recently had Warlocks complaining that they weren't strong enough, despite having some extremely strong builds and synergy. Bungie listened to their bitching and made them very strong.
It's now the Hunters turn to start complaining that we aren't strong enough. Albeit, it's now somewhat justified now that the other two classes have been giga buffed. I'm sure Bungie will eventually listen and buff us, and the cycle will repeat.
This community is unbearable sometimes. Yes, I want Hunter to get some changes. No, I don't think it's a class being fucking oppressed.
Rant over. Sorry.
rj/ Hunter oppression? Is this the end of Hunters as we know it? Hopefully they get some SIVA abilties to oppress the other classes. đ´âŤď¸đ´đ´âŤď¸âŤď¸âŹď¸đ´
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u/SMALLMACE Oct 21 '25
Well some things are valid. iirc over the last 3 years if you amass all top 50 contest clears hunters only make up 18% or something. Plus the class being balanced all around SeS just sucks dookie ass when it comes to boss damage.
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u/monkeypea1212 Oct 21 '25
Oh yeah, there's certainly some problems with the class, always has been. But the level people have been going to for it is dumb. Case in point: the image above.
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u/PineApple_Papy Alpha Beta Alpha Player Oct 21 '25
I mean aside from the random strays PvE hunters sometimes get because Bungie would wildly overtune something in PvP and then nerf them in both sandboxes for whatever reason there wasnât hunter oppression. But itâs a valid concern for hunters whenever they get something cool. (Iâm still kinda salty about BL era renewal grasps)
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u/Kashema1 Bungie Suggester Oct 22 '25
I like how people use the term âoppressionâ unironically like they actually think that Bungie has it out for a class in particular. Sometimes a class is good, sometimes itâs bad, and thatâs a result of every balance change that theyâve ever gotten. I donât get this community sometimes
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u/PineApple_Papy Alpha Beta Alpha Player Oct 22 '25
rj/ Cayde-6 was shot for a having a dream of equal boss dps among classes
Uj/ itâs literally all just circumstance. Just the ebb and flow of powercreep and how long it takes to reach things
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u/ThaJango Oct 22 '25
Been a warlock main for a few years now. I have almost never heard another good warlock main complain about being weak. Weâve never really been broken or been the meta class (until now), but we have always been a strong class.
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u/Kashema1 Bungie Suggester Oct 22 '25
Warlocks, at worst, have always been the most consistently good class in the game
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Oct 22 '25
Warlock balance is weird, since its issue isn't that its bad/weak. Solar Warlock (Well of Radiance) has been the objectively best subclass for like 75% of the games lifespan, and its been in 2nd place for the other 25%.
The issue is that its only Solar Warlock that's been remotely good. And yeah, the "job security" for raid/dungeon content is nice, but using the same subclass and super over and over gsts old after a while.
And as someone who is (relatively) vocal about Warlock's issues, a lot of the complaints sound like rich people problems, too. Nobody is gonna feel bad for someone saying "my class is too strong and I have the best super", so a lot of the actual complaints get drowned out by the other classes with more "simple" complaints.Â
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u/ThaJango Oct 22 '25
I agree that its oddly balanced but only because Warlock gets overlooked just because of well. However, it has always been a jack of all trades class. As a warlock main complaints fall on deaf ears to me.
I understand the current complaint about hunters not having the same âbrokenâ builds as warlock and titan have right now but some of these guys forget about golden gun with still hunt, ascension glitch, grapple melee one phases. Some players complain just to complain.
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Oct 22 '25
Oh for sure. A lot of people also only complain, rather than give actual feedback. They can't tell the difference between saying "X is bad because of Y" and "My class's balance is literally worse than 9/11".
And there are actual valid complaints with all 3 classes, too, which is why those people are so weird to me. Clear and concise feedback is how things get changed, not by baby raging on reddit.
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u/jamer2500 Mara Sov Simp Oct 21 '25
Power creep? Nah, never heard of it
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u/monkeypea1212 Oct 21 '25
Power creeping into Zavala's office right now, having a stern talking to.
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u/jamer2500 Mara Sov Simp Oct 21 '25
Make sure to let him know that warlocks are still super oppressed and need to be able to one shot a raid boss like those darn titans and hunters can
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u/ThaJango Oct 22 '25
I think the root cause for these complaints is some players have been chasing the high of broken builds and now that hunters are off meta it feels as if they are weak.
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u/Pman1324 Oct 29 '25
I never chased meta, but I see everyone else doing things no sweat while I'm still working on two orange bars.
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u/LoadedFile Oct 22 '25
/uj I feel like still hunt was an outlier during salvation's edge, it definitely needed a nerf but not by that much, maybe take away orbs giving gauge so you actually have to earn your goldies. Also void hunter needs a massive touch up, we really should to not be overshadowed by exotic weapons
/rj still hunt wouldn't have been nerfed if the witness boss fight had a floor. Their discrimination of titans caused a mediocre gem to be nerfed
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u/Sparklers_4_days Oct 21 '25
this dude has like normal opinions sometimes outside of dtg istg
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u/Pman1324 Oct 29 '25
When you see enough, "Hunters are broken in PvP", "Hunters were 90% of SE clears", "I use HOIL Cyrt and this build is broken" comments, it will eventually short circuit something in your brain.
It's just unbearably annoying when people try to justify the large pile of Hunter shortcomings (low survivability, low super damage, convoluted abilities with weak results, etc.) with points that are unrelated, or not currently applicable.
The unrelated point is PvP. Yes, they may be strong there, but their strength in PvP does not apply to PvE. So the point is moot.
The inapplicable point is Salvations Edge. The first point to nullify it is that Hunters were largely unused in the encounters leading up to the Witness. 4/5 encounters had minimal Hunters.
The second thing to nullify the point is that... Still Hunt isn't even good anymore and hasn't been for over a year. I actually forgot about it for a while because nobody uses the thing.
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u/AbyssalCall Oct 22 '25
I just want PvE to be where people can go Wahoo ability spam and for them to increase enemy density while also reducing accuracy. That way weâre all strong and having fun, and shutting the fuck up
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u/c4at Oct 23 '25
ive been unironically classist against hunters theyâre always douchebags in pvp and pve in pvp theyâre always the ones who bag and the ones who get the most fuckass kits and in pve they never fucking rez anybody and then they speed ahead and die i hate hunters
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u/c4at Oct 23 '25
someone help me come up for a slur for hunters
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u/yakubson1216 Oct 23 '25
Chumpers, BumSlingers, CryStalkers, Arc-Whiners, Thread-Slummers, Orpheus Pigs, Celestial Cry-Hawk, Olden Bum, Never-Silence Always-Squall
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u/Mtn-Dooku Gilded Dredgen Oct 21 '25
I dunno man. If Hunters suck so much... play something else? No one hates Hunters as much as Hunter mains.
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u/1spook Elsie Bae Simp Oct 22 '25
"Hunters are trash in pve" gang when I, a Hunter main, still never fucking die because of my almost infinite invisibility by using any ability, deal huge damage w celestial, and also effectively deal with ads with my two melees:
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u/unibrowcowmeow Clovis Bray Did Nothing Wrong Oct 22 '25
Dirty filthy crusty nasty pathetic huntigger
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u/warlord_main Zavala Toilet Enthusiast Oct 21 '25
uj/ I genuinely think that years of pvp forcing the balancing into this weird mould has had a dreadful effect on the rest of the game, hunters have always felt balanced around pvp and this makes them both miserable to fight and also to play as if they donât use a very overpowered thing. The build crafting in destiny has always been shit and youâre held back so much from feeling truly strong. And with bungie nerfing something anytime itâs remotely popular itâs no wonder we have this argument so much
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u/Appropriate-Leave-38 Oct 22 '25
Uj/ I'm tired of people thinking that they are the class they play. I'm a human that plays the video game Destiny 2, where I don't have just one class I play, but people like this make you think they actually live in the Last City.
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u/Alarming_Ad3067 Oct 23 '25
Cant wait to see this exact same post but swap the classes around a year from now when warlocks have decided they're the worst class again
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u/pheldegression Oct 25 '25
Look. Hunters are viable in pve. In all but 0.1% of content. The argument that because they are underrepresented in the epic day 1 raid means they suck in pve and that just isn't true. There is a good pve build for every subclass. Usually more than 1. And yes they crush in end game. At this point I think it's just a skill issue with the dwindling player base.
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u/Spoonsian Oct 31 '25
He should work at bungie with that amount of Titan hatred, he'd fit right in.
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u/SeesawNo4731 Oct 23 '25
I have played every class. Hunters are just shit. They were shit in D1 and they are still shit in D2. They are only useful for PvP IMO and that is not by much more than titans and warlocks. Titans were easy as hell for bungie to create cuz they already had half a fucking blueprint for it coming off Halo cuz Spartans are quite literally what titans are based off of and warlocks are just Bungieâs take on Jedi/Sith or spell-casters in general. The only thing that hunters have is a gun and a dream. Itâs like playing a fighter in DND. youâre really not special in any way and you have to rely on your team way more than you really care to admit and 95% of the time your either stunned, pinned, dead or using a saving throw and still getting a Nat 1 with disadvantage.
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Oct 23 '25
Hunters do need some more love in pve. And at this point I feel titans are crazy in pvp too. Glaive and feedback fence. Getting one hit shoulder charge only for bro to get it right back. Losing EVERY melee fight with a titan cause his melee is so fast he rubber bands 17 times before I can even hit him. And when I do get the full lunge it still misses somehow. So yeah⌠hunters been getting hated on and nerfed over and over and itâs kinda dumb at this point. Played trials on a titan and ran around just melee spamming full teams with my brain completely off while trying my heart out on a hunter gets me nothing but emotional distress
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u/etherealgamer Oct 22 '25
Hunters had one week where they were good at raids and they nerfed the Goldie sniper immediately because crybabies and have never recovered.
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u/yakubson1216 Oct 23 '25
Hunters tried justifying infinitely chaining Golden Guns as their only viable option and that it was fair and balanced.
Hunters also complained loud enough about a 3 second dodge cooldown nerf in 30th Anniversary to the point that the nerf was reverted before it could even be launched into the game, because somehow 3 more seconds to run away "kills the entire class" back then.
Hunters have proven they cant be taken seriously, especially when they act like its systemic oppression that theyre not dominating PvE just like they are PvP.
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u/etherealgamer Oct 23 '25
Youâre projecting. No one said anything about âdominating.â Iâll take âviable in contest.â
There was a lonnnng period of time where Hunters were the DPS fantasy, and that made other classes fall by the wayside or make people feel like theyâre âforcedâ to play them (well, bubble, etc).
The irony is that in the current sandbox, they have no viable place in PVE (theyâll always be strong in PVP, because thatâs the class most crucible players use), which means they canât even remotely be the DPS fantasy theyâre supposed to be.
They will never be as good at support as Warlock or defensive as Titan, who are both outclassing them in DPS. So where do they stand?
How would you retool the Hunter? Or are you perfectly fine with them being in the gutter since you donât actually play the class?
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u/yakubson1216 Oct 23 '25
Youâre projecting.
Everyone favorite handwave dismissal acting like it means something đ thanks for telling me nothing you have is worth reading or saying.
If you ever want to be taken seriously, which you Hunters proved you literally fucking never should be because its constant crying with them, don't start with an ignorant hand waving away of objective fucking history lmfao.
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u/etherealgamer Oct 23 '25
So your defense is âno, youâre a crybaby!â and thatâs not projection? Youâre literally handwaving the entirety of my response because of your own imaginary standards and for some reason have taken all of this personally.
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u/yakubson1216 Oct 23 '25
No, my defense is that historically Hunters have been known to completely overblow many of the issues they claim to have. I haven't taken anything personally, i simply told you anyone who's immediate response is "youre projecting" and handwaving away anything they don't agree with isn't worth the breath.
It doesn't matter what i tell you or how right i am, you'll never change your mind because you already made it up before even engaging in talk and will act as if everything you say is a counterpoint, as if you can counter factual reality. Get better at building your Hunter chud.
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u/etherealgamer Oct 24 '25
Every single one of your responses has made a bevy of assumptions, including that "you're right," when the experience of the game is subjective. How can you say I preemptively made up my mind when I genuinely asked what you would do to fix the Hunter class in the current sandbox?
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u/Pman1324 Oct 29 '25
That persons closed mindedness is the sort of reason that led me to make the comment in the post.
Just a bunch of deflection and downplaying until it becomes too much, and the bomb goes off.
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- Oct 22 '25
i mean hunters seem to only have prismatic, i do like my prismatic hunter sometimes with liars handshake calibans for fun punching but i really do want to have some other part of hunter be good. warlocks are gonna be known for their grenades, titans for their melee, so hunter could really use some innovation with class ability i guess. i just wanna have a useful pve exotic that isn't fkin prismatic cloak lol
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u/PsychWard_8 Oct 22 '25
Sir please get your reasonable take and go, if you don't agree that Hunters are being actively oppressed by bigots like Aztecross and literally every Titan and Warlock, then you're not paying attention and your silence makes you complicit in the ongoing violence against our disenfranchised brothers
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u/samboeng Oct 21 '25
DAE think Assthecross oppresses minorities?