r/destinycirclejerk • u/white2234 • Jul 10 '25
Bungie Suggestion Bungo pls the steamers know best
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u/meepinson453 Tojo Clan Chairman Jul 10 '25
why did nobody have a problem with them doing the same thing for contest mode dungeons but suddenly when they do the SAME THING for a raid its an issue
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u/__RonMcDon95 Jul 11 '25
Because they care less about day 1 dungeons. To them the day 1 raid race is the one time a year they get to do their thing
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u/CookieMiester Jul 11 '25
Yeah that’s basically it, when I played dungeons were pretty meh and boring. Raids were where it was at, and I loved contest mode. Idrc to gatekeep anybody out of content tho, you do you. That being said, anybody who doesn’t clear contest day 1-2 def shouldn’t get the emblem lol.
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u/Jeffjordan93 Jul 13 '25
They won't, they will only get the emblem for the clear you would get any time, The contest emblem will be tied to a Triumph that clearly states Contest mode. It's just elitist egos whining about nothing.
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u/CookieMiester Jul 13 '25
Oh then idgaf. Besides the only people who get the guaranteed exotic at the end are the world first peoplw
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u/AccomplishedHunter95 Jul 11 '25
Because it’s more important for you to watch them get 5 of their cracked out gamers together to goon for hours on end with a black screen over everything while you gift them subs!
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u/XogoWasTaken Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
Raids are generally viewed as more significant events than dungeons. More people + more encounters + more complex mechanics = bigger thing.
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u/GirthyGreeny Jul 11 '25
I dont know why this got downvoted up until gotd they haven't been all that complex or difficult
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u/Significant_Truck839 Jul 12 '25
because raids are so much more different than dungeons. Dungeons contests have been much more about execution while raid contests have been about devising the right strat and PROPERLY figuring out mechanics (no text guides or videos do NOT get you far in this). normal mode for raids trivializes everything that makes them hard and special.
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u/FollowThroughMarks Jul 11 '25
/uj Okay then, if Cross and his team are using a scout for this day one then they should also not get a contest emblem as they are having help learn the mechanics before they’ve completed it on contest. Find it out yourself with no practice or help, or you don’t get an emblem!
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u/white2234 Jul 11 '25
All these streamers have scouts that are watching others streams that’s why we have the dreaded black screen in these races. Cross literally never gets first and it took him like 18 hours to clear the last one. He should practice on normal too when it becomes available he will get a better placement
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u/Tha_Hand Shaw Handjobs Jul 11 '25
18 hours? You mean he got worlds first SE?
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u/Background_Length_45 Jul 11 '25
No sundered doctrine
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u/DilSilver Jul 11 '25
No fucking way "scouts" are an accepted thing in D2
I get I'm a normal player so if this is some endgame shit for these things it's literally going against what it's meant to be
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u/Mongfaffy Jul 11 '25
So if you use a guide or video or any type of assistance to clear normal mode you also shouldn’t get an emblem right? Right?
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u/Illumnyx Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
Why is he assuming you'll be able to get a contest mode emblem/guaranteed exotic from normal once it releases?
EDIT: He's saying people shouldn't be allowed to enter Normal mode then complete Contest mode and obtain the rewards from it. Somehow that's an even shittier take than what I originally thought he meant...
I bet half these people complaining about it won't even get past the first encounter on contest mode anyway.
/rj bungo where me 10% damage coupon for running ballyhoo with zorpal and devostructionclasm?
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u/TFGHawkeye Literally Fatebringer Jul 10 '25
/uj he’s saying that if you load into normal and go back into contest you shouldn’t get the contest rewards
the main reason everyone is pissing and shitting and cumming because of this change is because they think that going into normal mode will make contest easier because you can understand mechanics with less stress since it won’t be contest difficulty
which would be a valid-ish reason if 99% of teams didn’t just ape off the thread on raidsecrets after world’s first is cleared and there’s already 492985838285 guides on each encounter
it’s a non issue
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u/Illumnyx Jul 11 '25
Honestly the whole issue sounds even stupider now that you've explained it. Appreciate you taking the time to though.
These people really will just latch onto anything to complain more...
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u/Complete_Resolve_400 Jul 11 '25
Yeah and tbf it likely will result in more contest clears but thats not a problem lmao, it won't affect the top 100 leaderboards like at all so I fail to see why anyone cares
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u/AccessOk8488 Jul 11 '25
even if it does, it will be such a low number, clearing on normal to learn mechanics doesn’t mean jack shit, you can do all that and still go get ur ass kicked in contest and not be able to finish
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u/Complete_Resolve_400 Jul 11 '25
Yeah i knew all of the SD mechanics but got inappropriately touched on lockset in contest lol
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u/AccessOk8488 Jul 11 '25
everyone did, my team spent probably 8 hours there lmao, atleast we got it done, in all fairness if the crit wasn’t bugged we wouldn’t have needed to test different things to figure out anarchy worked really well
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u/Complete_Resolve_400 Jul 11 '25
Yeah it was an interesting encounter to say the least. Didn't help that my buddy i was running it with is a titan main who didnt want to use bolt charge...
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u/AccessOk8488 Jul 11 '25
i had a friend who didn’t clear specifically cause his 2 teammates refused to adapt and do what’s necessary (wrong class loadouts weapons etc), that’s the most dangerous thing to contest is uncooperative teammates who refuse to adapt and try new things, i simply will just find someone else if someone like that is on my team
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u/Expensive-Pick38 Jul 11 '25
Its a non issue that the 1% is so mad about it's not even funny. And it's the loud, streamer 1% so ofc bungo will listen to them. They're the loudest.
We don't even know how it will work. Wasn't the whole point of adding contest difficulty later on and increasing it to 2 days so more people could try and experience contest if they want? Now we're gatekeeping contest? Choose your god damn side.
Its an even less of an issue because Normal goes live AFTER A TEAM BEATS THE RAID. Not after 1 day, not during. After a team beats it. And by that time, streamers and their army of simps already have someone that snitched on how the encounter works.
Maybe now the raid won't be 90% black screen. Why stream if your streams is completely covered and muted
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u/Mongfaffy Jul 11 '25
Another hilariously out of touch take. When does anything the “elitist 1%” get exactly what they want in this game? This game is literally designed and built for casuals, and the devs go above and beyond to prove that every expansion and update.
The black screen thing as well is just another fallacy you’ve convinced yourself of. People black screens because they want to win, it is bungie’s problem to solve and put rules in place to get streamers to not do that in races. People are going to do anything they can to win because it is a highly competitive activity…
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u/TotallyCooki Jul 11 '25
/uj I've lowkey heard Cammycakes rattle off so many good changes for PvP in his streams and they're deadass never implemented.
He was saying years ago that we needed more new player onboarding and now it's finally being worked on the community at large can only bitch about the fact a new strike they're going to play 5 times total hasn't been announced.
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u/Mongfaffy Jul 11 '25
yeah I wasn't even talking PVP specifically, but that community and the "elitist" bunch in PVP DEFINITELY do not get what they want - ever.
As someone who considers themselves a PVP first player, or who enjoys playing pvp even when it's been dead for years, thats my opinion at least
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u/TotallyCooki Jul 11 '25
I mean, I meant it more as a general case example of Bungie not really listening to content creators either, but yeah.
I'd say PvP doesn't cater to the low skill crowd either right now though, we're in this weird middle ground of it not being particularly friendly to any group.
But even in PvE, holy fuck, some people still think the divinity nerf was directly caused by Saltagreppo and that 15% less damage outright killed that gun...
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u/thafreshone Jul 11 '25
Tbf, reading up on an encounter on reddit is not the same as actually practicing the execution in normal mode, so there is more validity to.
That being said, who gives a shit if more people get the emblem
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u/AccessOk8488 Jul 11 '25
imo there will be less than 100 teams who get a clear from going from normal to contest, it’s not like that’s just gonna solve the problem of everything one shotting you etc, realistically this will change absolutely nothing
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u/The_Bygone_King Jul 11 '25
Being totally real with you, knowing mechanics and having experience executing mechanics are two different things. Using a raid guide doesn't give you first hand "feel" of how the encounter plays, completing a run on casual beforehand is actually a big advantage.
Sundered Doctrine's catchup contest mode showed me just how different contest is once you know how each encounter plays correctly.
Lazier teams could run normal mode 3-4 times, get consistent and comfortable with the mechanics, and then grind away a comoletion at contest.
Is this really an issue? I dunno, maybe? I don't think it degrades from the prestigious nature of contest mode completions, but I don't really know by how much.
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u/bansheeb3at Jul 11 '25
Massive difference between actually doing the mechanics and reading them off of a thread.
It’s maybe not as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be but it’s definitely stupid for them to do this
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u/TFGHawkeye Literally Fatebringer Jul 11 '25
/uj right but the main difference when it came to doing a raid on contest like that was the increased risk of dying due to combat, which is still going to be applicable
unless this raid has INSANELY difficult to execute mechanics, i don’t think it’s really going to be any different tbh
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u/SirMushroomTheThird Jul 11 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
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u/bansheeb3at Jul 11 '25
Hard guides do not exist day 1, threads filled with Reddit bro science and “I saw it on datto’s stream” exist day 1. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve done a day one and looked at the Reddit thread as it was developing and seen so much stuff that was just objectively wrong conjecture about mechanics.
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u/SirMushroomTheThird Jul 11 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
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u/gonkdroid02 Jul 11 '25
This is a take even elitist datto would hate, like my guy the hard part about contest isn’t learning, it’s doing. You aren’t proving anything about your skill by doing it first time on contest, all your proving is that your willingly to waste a longer amount of time learning
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u/Illumnyx Jul 11 '25
100%. Contest mode isn't about knowing what to do. It's about knowing what to do while also optimising your loadout. If people not partaking in the World First race (which is 99.999999% of players, and people are kidding themselves if they think otherwise) what the fuck is wrong about people dipping into Normal mode before giving Contest a crack?
It's still only available for a 48 hour window. There's still prestige from being skilled enough to do it and from "being there when it happened".
These streamers quite literally just want as few people as possible to complete it because it'll make them feel better about accomplishing it with their 5 min/max gear levelled friends whose jobs are to churn out Destiny content for a living.
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u/Mongfaffy Jul 11 '25
“These streamers quite literally just want as few people as possible to complete it because it'll make them feel better about accomplishing it with their 5 min/max gear levelled friends whose jobs are to churn out Destiny content for a living.”
That just can’t be true at all. You think any “streamer” that does well in the WFR cares about the amount of contest emblem claims. The only people that care about that is the ones that don’t place in the top 100/1k etc that are clinging to the prestige of just getting a clear and want to gatekeep it. If ur gonna clown on the people that basically did all the advertisement for the game and keep it alive, at least be accurate
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u/Illumnyx Jul 11 '25
Literally look at the post and tell me what you think "anyone who enters the Raid on Normal should be disqualified from obtaining the Contest Mode Emblem/guaranteed exotic" means.
How else do you interpret that other than him not wanting people to get a handle on the raid in Normal before clearing Contest?
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u/Mongfaffy Jul 11 '25
I mean that's exactly how it should be though. Especially if you full clear normal, you definitely should not be eligible for contest emblem, and that's not even gatekeeping. If you are running chunks of the raid on normal and then going into contest attempting to clear it, you are looking to exploit or take advantage of the system, there's just no other way to put it.
Contest emblem should be clearing the raid entirely on contest without going into another difficulty to test damage or mechanics...
Disqualification on normal raid entry is a bit much, probably should just be DQ on 1 encounter clear, maybe 2
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u/Illumnyx Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
You say that like people doing Contest mode aren't already looking for guides on how to clear the raid mechanics the second they become available. You seriously think every single team, even the ones competing for World First, aren't using every advantage they have? How is this any different?
Contest mode is a limited time, difficult challenge only available when the raid drops. It requires you and your team to be geared up and locked in. There's no guarantee even clearing Normal means you can just waltz through Contest mode like a breeze.
And again, you still haven't answered the main question which is why does someone clearing Normal then Contest even matter in the first place? Articulate to me why someone should be penalised by not getting Contest rewards for clearing Normal first.
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u/iblaise Literally Fatebringer Jul 11 '25
Yet people continue to beg for a “permanent Contest difficulty” added to the game, even going as far as saying it should still award the Emblem.
Make that make sense.
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u/bansheeb3at Jul 11 '25
Nobody in the world has ever asked for that, they have asked for permanent contest that would award a different emblem, with a special emblem still existing for a 24 or 48 hour clear.
As for “make it make sense,” look up the goomba fallacy, that’s how it makes sense.
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u/Pickaxe235 Mara Sov Simp Jul 11 '25
the mechanics on literally every raid in history (except for vault in last wish and the shape room in witness) have never been too complicated that you cant perfectly do them after reading a guide once
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u/ColonialDagger Jul 11 '25
Nobody in this thread has done a Day One and it shows. Like you said, reading mechanics off a thread where nobody is even sure what the mechanics are and misinformation is flying everywhere, on top of learning the strategy, on top of learning where the enemies spawn, on top of learning when they spawn, etc. are all huge parts of the encounter.
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u/white2234 Jul 10 '25
Cause he is seriously stupid lol no people you won’t get the contest emblem from doing normal. Nobody cares if normal means quicker guides cause all of you stream snipe with your scouts anyway.
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u/Illumnyx Jul 10 '25
Unironically glad I unsubbed from him, geez. Guy always defaults to the doomiest timeline when it comes to Destiny nowadays, I swear.
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u/TotallyCooki Jul 11 '25
/uj I'm willing to say it's because the large majority of people who still play the game and also bother to write about it on other platforms are whiny babies who don't even realise this is exactly how the previous raid went live (people didn't get the emblem/exotic from the normal mode then either) but lack the reading comprehension (or assume the worst if there's any ambiguity from Bungie) to realise exactly what the communication from Bungie entails.
Hell, the only people left that I don't consistently see doing that are over here jorking it.
/rj rapid shit on boondoggle gave me explosive diarrhea
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u/ProWarlock Jul 11 '25
/uj I get what they're saying by the fact people could go into normal and learn the mechanics there and then hop back INTO contest but most people with contest emblems looked up a raidsecrets guide to begin with. very few people actually do these raids completely blind, and execution is still a major factor. you can know the mechanics but fail to execute. so by this logic everyone with a previous contest emblem that didn't do the mechanics blind and had some sort of guide should be disqualified?
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u/anjo_abj Jul 11 '25
Lmao right I guarantee you most people with an SE contest clear did not figure Verity out entirely on their own. Hell it was even said that the first ones to finish it were helping each other out anyways
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u/Nerollix Jul 11 '25
This tbh.
My fire team did that for sundered doctrine because we wanted to learn the mechanics without the enemy stress. We still had to go back in clear each encounter on contest difficulty and timers where the subjugator would one shot.
Why does that disqualify me?
If normal is open then the WF clear is done anyways and any Fireteam Finder group will be pulling from raid secrets as is.
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u/scarlettokyo Jul 11 '25
You only deserve a raid contest emblem if you stream yourself shitting in a bucket for 12 hours while censoring your entire gameplay
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u/douche-baggins Jul 11 '25
Yeah, well streamers who live in Florida, make 20 minute videos reading a website and lie about playing Edge of Fate early, saying they are on "vacation" should be disqualified from Contest rewards. Problem solved.
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u/Background_Length_45 Jul 11 '25
Now that you say it, cross says he was at the event playing EoF early but every creator who was there said he wasnt there
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Jul 11 '25
Sauce? I didn’t know he lied about it, kinda crazy
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u/Background_Length_45 Jul 11 '25
Well he says he played it early, but everyone says he wasnt at any event, either he was at an secret previous event or hes talking shit
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u/Deweyrob2 Jul 11 '25
D2 streamers are better people than you or me. As such, any of them can enter my raid lair on normal or contest mode. They just need to let me know they're coming so I can get Mom out of the house with a coupon to the Olive Garden.
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u/RezzInfernal Jul 10 '25
I think getting the opportunity to expose yourself to raid mechanics outside of challenge is kinda too easy :/
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u/Mttsen Jul 11 '25
I suggest all the content creators disqualified from obtaining the contest mode emblem/guaranteed exotic. Problem solved.
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u/Unkown-basket-Case Slugger Jul 11 '25
Uj/ the contest mode triumph for dungeons (at least sundered iirc) gives you the free exotic and rhe emblem
Prolly be the same for the raid
Not once did they say free exotic and enblem if not on contest
People are stupid
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u/Cresset Jul 13 '25
>fireteam leader fat fingers selection and queues you for normal
>you are instantly disqualified, along with the other 4 people
>leader has to flee the country for his own safety
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u/anjo_abj Jul 11 '25
/uj People mad about releasing normal mode early to learn mechanics as if every top team doesn’t have people scout for mechanics during the race anyways. It doesn’t even matter because after world’s first, strats are being spread like wildfire anyway. I don’t like to throw the word “gatekeeping” or “elitist” around often but this whole thing just seems like top players are upset that lower skilled players are getting the same emblems as them. sluggerjim1337 playing normal mode doesn’t make the contest mode any easier.
/rj Contest mode should only last as long as I do in bed for true sluggers like me
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u/TJ_Dot Jul 11 '25
Part of me wishes these races never became a "thing".
It's not a mystery if there's a galaxy wide broadcast to see if you can burn it down in a day.
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u/Montregloe Jul 11 '25
uj/ I mean I guess he is talking about people practicing for a contest run in normal? Idk what he's getting at
rj/ they should do the same for campaigns, if you do it on normal, you cant access legendary for a year as punishment
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u/Electronic-Touch-554 Jul 11 '25
Uj/ fucking finally. God knows how long I’ve been waiting for this to happen. I’ve always hated how they lock the first week of the new raid to like 0.01% of the community for a shittily balanced difficulty.
It was even worse in the uk as it launched Friday night and contest ended Sunday night so if you had any sort of life you just couldn’t get week 1 rewards
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u/Jakeasaur1208 Jul 11 '25
I don't get it. Why does completing the raid on normal and then doing it on Contest make that Contest clear any easier? People doing that are already looking up the mechanic solutions via raid secrets or streamers in the race anyway. I don't see this making any significant difference.
Besides, it's definitely not going to affect those competing in the raid race. Do they realize how long it's going to take to beat it on normal and then on Contest the first time?
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u/Nirom159 Jul 11 '25
uj/ people apparently don’t read, we’ve seen this before with vespers host and sundered doctrine, where if you do it on normal while contest mode is active, it won’t count as contest mode clear, but surprisingly people are mad the game is trying to be more casual friendly
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u/BeginningFew8188 Jul 11 '25
I think he's got a point. EZ solution imo
/rj fuck community. Remove normal mode, raids should be contest only everyday
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u/BK_FrySauce Jul 11 '25
The streamers aren’t even going to be streaming it. It’ll just be a black screen. Yet people will flock to the streams gifting subs for streaming nothing.
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u/Disastrous_Poetry_50 Jul 11 '25
Why is that any different then players just watching how the mechanics work and then going in after worlds first is complete
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u/TheBiddyDiddler Jul 11 '25
/uj is this not a based take? Isn't the emblem/guaranteed exotic meant to be the exclusive reward for beating the Contest Raid? Why is this even a concern that folks will get the contest rewards for beating the raid on normal and then using that knowledge to turn around and beat contest?
/rj pls bungo just gib me all exotic i only hab 4 zeptoseconds per super-eon because i have to be a dad to my 500 cats and be a husband to my bitch wife pls respect my time bugno
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u/boring_kicek13 Jul 11 '25
Stupid things like this and awful repetitive activities are what drove me away from this game after years. And it is great feeling
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u/Gallus_11B Jul 12 '25
This sort of fixes the problem.
Except people can just hop on friend accounts to figure out normal then swap back to main account to finish in contest mode.
And people streaming normal mode allows teams in contest to watch and learn on the side.
I dunno. I do day 1 raids/dungeons. I like the challenge. I like the top players getting to battle it out in the race.
But I also want everyone to have fun and for more people to get to experience the joy of raidin, casuals included.
It's a hard set of decisions for sure.
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u/JaylisJayP Jul 12 '25
Blah blah blah gatekeeping trash. Who is he worried about, the last remaining 200 people that are going to go into the raid on normal? These streamers really just dont want a job anymore lol. Haven't enough people left the game?
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u/Logic-DL Jul 12 '25
Destiny players and the never ending quest to ruin the game for the majority because of a contest no one gives a fuck for over some virtual emblem
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u/Jeffjordan93 Jul 13 '25
I love how people think that just because Normal mode will be out, that everyone is going to get the emblem. The emblem is tied to the Contest mode, which means enemy health is cranked up. It's not like you can bypass anything in normal mode, you still need to do all encounters on Contest to get the emblem. So what if you can learn the encounters easier on normal then go do it on Contest, the race is over and there's no real reason to gatekeep anyone besides being an elitist. Let people have their fun. I will be attempting all encounters on the Contest mode first but if we keep wiping, we will drop down to learn it then returning to until we clear it.
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u/Todd-Howard-all-hail Jul 17 '25
I want the raid to be actually fun unlike salvation edge. But part of me desperately want contest to be such a pain in the ass. I still relish looking at the dead look in the eye of a streamer on hour 20 of salvation edge
They want difficultly, make it painful difficult, make it so fucking awful to play if they breath two hard wipe them
After everything fun they took from me and my more causal players, I want to see them suffer
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u/muckypup82 Jul 11 '25
If a streamer blacks out their screens or mutes their comms they need to be disqualified. Just don't fucking stream.
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u/Appropriate-Leave-38 Jul 11 '25
Contest mode is 48 hours. 363 days a year the game is catered to casuals. Sweatlords should absolutely be catered to for at least those 2 days and then "casuals" can go back to having the game centered around them for 99% of the time. I don't really care strongly about this but
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u/SirMushroomTheThird Jul 11 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
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u/WhatTheFuckey Jul 11 '25
tbh i dont wanna have to wait for the 72 hours for people who care about day 1 completion to do the raid / just so i can do it. dont give me contest stuff I do NOT care .. i dont wanna have to wait to do it when it releases tho
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u/bardolinio Jul 12 '25
You guys are actually crying about not getting an EMBLEM as a jerk sub, shit's ridicioulus
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u/TheSwagheli Jul 11 '25
/uj i dont even watch raid races anymore because all they are now are black screens with some guy in the corner pogging or someshit and then wiping, goingmute for about 15-20 minutes, then back to watching a guys face in the corner of the screen