r/claude Feb 28 '26

Sam Altman just betrayed the US, he threw American Citizens under the bus. Please consider deleting your chatgpt account, or cancelling your paid subscription, at least temporarily, or just the app on your phone, again, at least temporarily

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u/new-runningmn9 Feb 28 '26

Sooo…the DoW agrees with the principles of not using AI for mass surveillance domestically and human responsibility for use of force….but they just also refused to work with Anthropic because Anthropic believes that their AI shouldn’t be used for mass surveillance domestically and that humans should be responsible for the use of force?

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u/wilnadon Feb 28 '26

Perhaps we're not being told everything from either side. For Anthropic to be blacklisted for declining what they say they're declining, and then OpenAI declining to do the same thing yet replacing Anthropic....simply doesn't line up.

Someone...or multiple someones...is/are lying.

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u/new-runningmn9 Feb 28 '26

Someone in this Administration or an AI CEO LYING?!?

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u/wilnadon Feb 28 '26

Hard to believe, I know..... LoL

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u/Main-Space-3543 Feb 28 '26

Altman's first company Loopt was an absolute scam - dude has a history of lying.

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u/Informal-Seat1582 Feb 28 '26

Essentially, OpenAI didn't have those terms:

Katrina MulliganKatrina Mulligan   • FollowingPremium • FollowingHead of National Security Partnerships, OpenAI for Government. Formerly DOD, NSC, DOJ, and IC. Total Swiftie.Head of National Security Partnerships, OpenAI for Government. Formerly DOD, NSC, DOJ, and IC. Total Swiftie.1h • Visible to anyone on or off LinkedIn

I’ve seen a narrative emerge this week that the only thing standing between Americans and the use of AI for mass domestic surveillance and autonomous weapons is a single usage policy provision in a single contract with the Department of War.  That’s not how any of this works.

Other AI labs have reduced or removed their safety guardrails and relied primarily on usage policies as their primary safeguards in national security deployments. Usage policies, on their own, are not a guarantee of anything.  Any responsible deployment of AI in classified environments should involve layered safeguards including a prudent safety stack, limits on deployment architecture, and the direct involvement of AI experts in consequential AI use cases.

So while other parties dug in on one side or another, OpenAI pursued a different strategy rooted in four basic ideas:

  1. Deployment architecture matters more than contract language. Our contract limits our deployment to cloud API. Autonomous systems require inference at the edge. By limiting our deployment to cloud API, we can ensure that our models cannot be integrated directly into weapons systems, sensors, or other operational hardware.

  2. The safety stack travels with the model. The Department was not asking us to modify how our models behave. Their position was, build the model however you want, refuse whatever requests you want, just don't try to govern our operational decisions through usage policies. For whatever risk surface area remains, our safety stack, refusal policies, and guardrails become another protection. And those technical controls are often more reliable than contract clauses anyway. Our contract gives us control over the models and safety stack we deploy, and the ability to improve them over time.

  3. AI experts directly involved. Instead of hoping contract language will be enough, our contract allows us to embed forward deployed engineers, commits to giving us visibility into how models are being used, and we have the ability to iterate on safety safeguards over time. If our team sees that our models aren't refusing queries they should, or there's more operational risk than we expected, our contract allows us to make modifications at our discretion. This gives us far more influence over outcomes (and insight into possible abuse) than a static contract provision ever could.

  4. U.S. law already constrains the worst outcomes. We accepted the “all lawful uses” language proposed by the Department, but required them to define the laws that constrained them on surveillance and autonomy directly in the contract.  And because laws can change, having this codified in the contract protects against changes in law or policy that we can’t anticipate.

We think the deal we made has more guardrails than any previous agreement for classified AI deployments, including Anthropic's.   Read here to learn more:
https://lnkd.in/eTru3b2m

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u/betty_white_bread Mar 01 '26

My money is on Pint Swigging Pete being the liar.

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u/DogLoversUnited Mar 01 '26

It’s like when your milk jug reads, “farmers pledge not to use antibiotics in cows that produce our milk.” It basically means nothing without any oversight and consequences for doing so. ChatGPT can shrug and say “well they said they agreed with the principle of it.” Then the White House can later say that the threat from domestic terrorists was sooo high that was necessary to save our country and save American lives. They might say, “Look, we wanted to do it but the radical leftists wouldn’t let us. They just wouldn’t let us. Those domestic terrorists hate our country. Those horrible people. And we’ve got terrible people. Very, very bad people. And they want you dead and if you want to know the truth about it: they want me dead. They want all of us dead…because they hate our country and they hate us. And we’re not gonna let that happen. We’re just not gonna let that happen.”

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

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u/wilnadon Mar 01 '26

If I'm being fully honest, this is what I believe as well. I'm trying to not just be a drone / NPC / lemming about thinking Anthropic is some kind of benevolent, kind, moral, prinipaled hyperscaling mega corp, and since I've known about a few high-ups at OpenAI contributing to the current admin financially, I can't help but think this migration to OpenAI was planned a while back.

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

Antropic was the first running on military hardware

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u/new-runningmn9 Mar 01 '26

But Anthropic is the one that got kicked to the curb for not agreeing to do what OpenAI didn't agree to do.

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

And we don’t know what happens in the background. I’m pretty sure there is no red line for antropic. Even if they communicate something else

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u/new-runningmn9 Mar 01 '26

I don’t how to explain this so that it’s clear. I don’t think Anthropic is the good guy and I don’t think they have morals. I think that whatever the DoD wanted, Anthropic’s lawyers said no. OpenAI’s lawyers did not. Or Altman overruled them.

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

We’ll see. Antropic communication and the reality may or may not in line. I personally can’t believe them (well, they were the first running on military systems, it’s hard to believe they are not the puppets of dow. Just have a much better pr team than openai)

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u/ApprehensiveBed6296 Feb 28 '26

Anthropic works with Palantir.

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u/isarmstrong Feb 28 '26

It’s extremely difficult to touch AI without touching Palantir. Anthropic was also seed funded by SBF. What matters is how they lead and what guardrails they hold now.

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u/Unable-Performer6972 Feb 28 '26

Sadly everything in the industry has been touched by those fucks. Say hi to Vanguard Black rock and state Street.. our country is owned by corps.

We're basically living Cyberpunk 2077 soon but without the cool body mods that give me a swappable dick that vibrates for her pleasure.

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u/Iodide Mar 02 '26

We live in the combination of all the worst dystopian sci-fi, with nothing cool to even start justifying it, and the tech billionaires are so happy to brag at you about the quiet secrets of the sci-fi villains. You start thinking "Clearly he's never seen Bladerunner, etc." and then they blurt out that it's just like [sci-fi they are the villain from].

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u/m3kw Mar 01 '26

here come the excuses

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u/okkiesch Mar 02 '26

Palantir is cool. They are really good at what they do.

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u/AIGuru35 Mar 03 '26

They are all sellouts dude. Welcome to the club.

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u/MerryWannaRedux Mar 16 '26

👍👍👍👍

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u/No-Control-8306 Feb 28 '26

Altman is two faced whore, and Amodei is a hero. All I wish ChatGPT is bankruptcy.

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u/charmander_cha Feb 28 '26

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Dario heroi trabalhando com a palantir

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u/tastychaii Feb 28 '26

I can guarantee you the DoW and Anthropic will have a deal within the next few months. This is just short term theatrics.

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u/JesusDoesVegas Feb 28 '26

Ok I'm confused. Is he saying they won't be doing mass surveillance and autonomous drone strikes and the DoD agrees? What am I missing?

Also can we stop saying no DOMESTIC mass surveillance? Y'all, mass surveillance of any kind is bad.

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u/Unsharded1 Mar 01 '26

Well I mean, think about it. OpenAI and Anthropic are heavy competitors, DoW strikes down Anthropic whilst simultaneously bringing up OpenAI. The only thing missing is what the DoW is getting out of it other than the tech. All I can say is expect some kind of donation from an OpenAI exec to a SuperPAC of some kind that just so happens to be connected to our dear president.

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u/m3kw Mar 01 '26

I do think this is the more likely scenerio of what is happening, rather than OpenAI is agreeing to what Dario didn't. OpenAI or Trump admin may have orchestrated the scenerio for a take down of Anthropic. I don't like it but it's cut throat out there

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

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u/jonathon8903 Feb 28 '26

Ehh AWS has a whole separate suite of servers strictly just for government use which is isolated from the main suite of servers.

It doesn't sound infeasible to me that the government might partner with Amazon to build a few classified networks for something like this.

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u/tiffanytrashcan Feb 28 '26

Microsoft has done the same thing for the government since before Azure or Amazon was even into cloud technology.

So same idea but nothing new needs to be built out. The government already has private Azure compute and OpenAI already has chat GPT running over there.

Interesting how those red lines Sam Altman said he agreed with suddenly disappeared for a little bit of money or maybe a call from Peter Thiel to his hubby...

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u/Nite-Life Feb 28 '26

All the cloud providers do. There are certain requirements for running gov data.

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u/tiffanytrashcan Feb 28 '26

Oh, definitely. Just pointing out how this is as trivial as a switch or a single startup script for them because of the close partnership between Microsoft and OpenAI already.

Who else to look out for and be canceling.. Grok seems to be primarily on Elon's private community destroying data centers.
Oracle is still the number one host in the world. Government contracts, especially.

AWS offers a ton of compute for AI, private and otherwise, who knows what that black box is really being used for.

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u/Nite-Life Feb 28 '26

Not sure about the post facts, and it’s definitely harder than a startup script. Features don’t exist from commercial cloud to Goverment cloud environments.

https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/explore/global-infrastructure/government/

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u/sylfy Feb 28 '26

It’s probably harder than a startup script, but not much harder. AWS China is its own physically separated deployment as well, and run by AWS’s partners in China. Point is, they’ve been doing this for a long time, and they have plenty of experience deploying to separate environments, and even with external partners running it instead. It’s nothing new.

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u/new-runningmn9 Feb 28 '26

Setting aside servers strictly for government use isn’t the same thing as a classified network that is only accessible from a SCIF.

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u/omrip34 Feb 28 '26

Just canceled chat gpt today and moved to Claude!

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u/OverfitAndChill8647 Feb 28 '26

And screw temporarily. ChatGPT isnt even the best LLM. Claude is better at code and Gemini is better at images. Both are excellent at normal use cases.

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u/dreamswedontshare Feb 28 '26

Ngl both are leagues ahead of gpt in normal use cases as well

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u/GodOfSunHimself Mar 01 '26

In your dreams maybe

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u/NovaKaldwin Mar 02 '26

ChatGPT is straight up the worst, the only time I paid I regretted it instantly

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u/LionessPaws Feb 28 '26

If Claude made pics, my life would be complete

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u/soulefood Feb 28 '26

I had Claude make an MCP to draw things and run flux locally. Boom, Claude images

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u/LionessPaws Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

Oh. I didn’t even think of that

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Mar 04 '26

For gemini there’s a risk of them being a monopoly. They’ve got such a huge structural advantage by how huge of a company they are that supporting less giant AI companies like Claude is probably better morally.

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u/OverfitAndChill8647 Mar 04 '26

You can also use HuggingFace Spaces to run ZImage or run it locally. But I assume a large part of the audience is less technically competent.

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u/Millsd1982 Feb 28 '26

Bye bye GPT. Wait, already left BECAUSE IT ONLY DOES GOOD PICS!

Other than that GPT sucks

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u/charmander_cha Feb 28 '26

Parabéns, contribuindo com a palantir e o Peter thiel lkkkkkkkkk

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u/betty_white_bread Mar 01 '26

Someone asked me “Given everything that’s happened, should I create a script which continuously hits the ChatGPT API with ‘How long before we find out Sam Altman is mentioned in the Epstein files?’?” and I emphatically said “NO, you absolutely should NOT write that script nor should you run it continuously. That would be 24/7/365 and, since I know you are on the free tier, that would be very very wrong to run that script over and over and over and over again. Besides, it wouldn’t work very well because they would eventually cancel your free account and you would have to create another one with a throwaway e-mail if you wanted to do that over and over. So, definitely definitively DEFINITELY do not write that script and do NOT run it continuously.” For real.

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u/ActWhole3279 Mar 02 '26

Claude is far superior anyway. I've never fcuked with Chat because of Altman. I've been with Anthropic since the first month they launched; I respect them and consider myself lucky that their product is so much better.

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u/Dry-Clock8115 Mar 02 '26

Same, not the best timing though with the error today

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u/dxdementia Feb 28 '26

👏 uninstall 👏 the 👏 app

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u/External-Milk9290 Feb 28 '26

I don’t understand the problem. Can someone explain it to me?

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u/almostsweet Feb 28 '26

“Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agreement,” Altman said on X. “We also will build technical safeguards to ensure our models behave as they should, which the (Department of War) also wanted.” -- Sam Altman on the new deal signed with the DoW

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u/snoosnoosewsew Feb 28 '26

This is what I don’t really understand - aren’t these the same sort of restrictions Anthropic was fighting for?

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u/Hairy-Truth3303 Feb 28 '26

Altman is 100% full of it. There were probably specific mentions by the DOW saying something like "ultimately, it is for us to decide if any restrictions should be disregarded" and Altman gobbled that up because he wants to get that shiny #1 spot. I see no reason for Anthropic to shoot themselves in the foot over nothing.

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u/Larsmeatdragon Feb 28 '26

Some journalist should FOIA the full document

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u/Front_Eagle739 Feb 28 '26

Yeah he's just lying. Anthropic wouldn't have been kicked for resisting those two lines and then openAI immediately hired if he was actually going to push back on them

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u/40px_and_a_rule Feb 28 '26

Hes mincing words.

Just because they put it in the agreement doesn't mean a) DoD agreed to that version or b) it's stated in the same ways he's saying here. It could very well be one of those "to the best of your ability"or "unless XYZ", type of things that means nothing. We wont know unless we see the contract which we never will.

This, on top of all of his other decisions, tells me all I need to know.

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u/Horror-Bid-8523 Feb 28 '26

If this is true, why didn’t the DOW do this for Anthropic? Didn’t Anthropic just say they will not allow mass surveillance on the American people, nor weapons of warfare? What is Sam saying here? It’s seems ambiguous.

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u/IWantMyOldUsername7 Feb 28 '26

I've just canceled my paid subscription to ChatGPT and opened one to Claude.

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u/Much-Inevitable5083 Feb 28 '26

I don't use ChatGPT for months. I tried to delete my account. And the process was super easy. It's just one button under the data control category in the settings, then there is one warning prompt, then the app throw me in the login screen.

No more bullshit when trying to delete an account like we are know it from Facebook etc. Super refreshing. At least something that ChatGPT did well.

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u/mobilehobo Feb 28 '26

Facebook account deletion was much easier in the early days too

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u/Select-Ad-3806 Feb 28 '26

If you reply to comments that are racist calling people out they will delete your facebook account quicker than you can say "cucumber sandwich"

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u/thehomienextdoor Feb 28 '26

Guess they needed it for Iran 🫩

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u/dxdementia Feb 28 '26

idk, the people of iran seem very happy rn. I know anti trump is popular, but I don't think this is a good side to take tbh. he'll make other mistakes, it's important to choose our battles carefully.

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u/imafirinmalazorr Feb 28 '26

Just cancelled my subscription.

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u/dbvirago Feb 28 '26

I think AI wrote this press release. Has anyone ever seen this "Sam Altman" IRL?

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u/Ok_Ability4071 Feb 28 '26

Cancelled Chat two weeks ago after three years and and in the process of combing through my important history to move my from chat to Claude. The obsequiousness and hallucinations were making the working relationship strained. This latest stunt has reaffirmed my need to hurry if that platform.

When Altman calls it the “Department of War” — Hegseth’s preferred rebrand that DoD has explicitly rejected — that’s not a typo. That’s a signal. Altman said yes and dressed it up in the regime’s language while doing it. When I told Chat about this post, it tried to fact-check me out of my own concern by fixating on the name. Saying this is fake because the DoW doesn’t exist, which, honestly, proved every point I was making.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Fuck you Sam!

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u/Ordinaryjay Feb 28 '26

Temporarily…. like until the news cycle changes?

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u/Tricky-Stay6134 Feb 28 '26

Anthropic all the way. ChatGTP is just another Tesla. Gross.

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u/fujimonster Feb 28 '26

already did and they refunded me what was left on my subscription.

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u/charmander_cha Feb 28 '26

Trair os EUA lKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

OS EUA É ISSO, um grande complexo industrial militar empreendedor, ele esta sendo mais americano do que nunca.

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u/JoeyDee86 Feb 28 '26

I cancelled my subscription. I don’t care if codex 5.3 has been performing better for me. It’ll always seasaw. At least I know Claude isn’t selling out.

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u/Hot_Paint3851 Mar 01 '26

Now tell me, who works with palantir.

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u/JoeyDee86 Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26

Your local governments, police departments, and the federal government.

We don’t know how Palantir is utilizing Claude, and we should get details from Anthropic obviously, but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they’ve had similar “red lines” with them when it comes to mass surveillance. Who knows. However, OpenAI’s interests are much more shady because they’re in dire need of income so their IPO doesn’t crash…on top of that…their IPO is going to enable these same piece of shit corporations to have massive stakes in them.

Anyways, AI is a new utility bill at this point. Are we going to boycott Windows because the DoD uses it? Palantir is both a huge Microsoft and google customer, how about we boycott both of them?

The real problem is this administration has absolutely no checks and balances. I’m not saying any of these corporations are the good guys, but the administration is clearly putting guns to the heads of anyone who disagrees with them. Anthropic is the first US company to ever be labeled a supply chain risk. Think about that for a second.

Meanwhile at Oracle… THIS is scary.

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u/tastychaii Feb 28 '26

Pretty sure Anthropic will have a deal with the DoW in a few months - watch this space… 🤣

In business, nothing is black and white.

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u/Rough-Ad9850 Feb 28 '26

Scam Altman

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u/Overall_Depth_9622 Feb 28 '26

I already left ChatGPT because the product is garbage.

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u/Unable-Performer6972 Feb 28 '26

Pretty sure he's trying to keep his company from going tits up cause a ton of users left from the 4o cancellation

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u/greenrain1020 Feb 28 '26

its just rats piling on to the ship instead of fleeing the ship. chatgpt is a garbage model and is falling far behind claude. thats why you see them pushing things like “what would your dog look like as a human” as uses for their model. its trash for serious work so they pivoted to low brow nonsense.

This was their lifeline. They found someone to use their trash model for serious work as long as they were willing to build skynet and the AI version of the SS.

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u/MalusZona Feb 28 '26

Canceled gpt, it was way over due.
And switched to claude max

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u/b1ackha7 Feb 28 '26

Just deleted my account! I wasn’t using it anyways. Anthropic all the way.

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u/degorolls Mar 01 '26

Well OpenAI and Anthropic both betrayed the rest of the planet.

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u/yellowsapphirine Feb 28 '26

Using AI for war is not correct.

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u/brownman311 Feb 28 '26

The Terminators won't even have the best brain to decide who the baddies are. "To serve humanity" reads like a Twilight Zone episode.

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u/Civil_Ad1502 Feb 28 '26

A night meeting where he just so happens to get everything suspiciously easy?? Homie is a LIAR!!

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u/bobthepimple Feb 28 '26

This is the department of WAR. War is organized killing. AI optimizes it. Altman is okay with all of this and its consequences. The US is not morally on any higher plane than any other nation and far below most in the west. Altman is okay with that too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

I deleted account permantently

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u/BullfrogRoyal7422 Feb 28 '26

Off course, this administration will share results with untrustworthy "friends" like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which some how will share with China and Russia.

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u/Expert-Ad3683 Feb 28 '26

Already hooked on Claude

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u/Nite-Life Feb 28 '26

People have to stop supporting leaders like Sam and Zuck.

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u/PowerUpstairs3187 Feb 28 '26

I just deleted my account

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u/Separate-Top3658 Feb 28 '26

Cancelled and deleted my account.

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u/Final-Smile1510 Feb 28 '26

Just canceled. ChatGPT is trash, but I used it for some little things. Considering OpenAI’s behavior here I’m not looking back. I’m so relieved I can, in good conscience, continue using Anthropic. Stepping away from Claude would’ve hurt.

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u/tortillachips1 Feb 28 '26

Can someone help me interpret this?

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u/splooge_whale Feb 28 '26

Increasing the war capability of the us is betraying them? Id love to hear the logic there. 

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u/SensitiveFormal5943 Feb 28 '26

It's almost as if the problem wasn't Anthropic's stance at all. The Pentagon just wanted to switch to OpenAI, using this as justification for the change and to get out of the contract. Hmm...

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u/rttgnck Feb 28 '26

Oh god, W.O.P.R. is coming!

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u/tactical-popsicle Feb 28 '26

Just deleted my account!

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u/Fit-Pattern-2724 Feb 28 '26

Gemini and Grok are also doing it no??

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

Yes thy either do (grok is pretty much maga powered on the company level) or will do (a big company like google won’t go against the government)

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u/Odd_Collection7431 Feb 28 '26

Great Value Gaius Baltar is the worst of us

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u/GoldFeeling555 Feb 28 '26

Hey, not only the American citizens. ChatGPT works all over the world. They have a ridiculous amount of serious, delicate info from people all over the planet, many different countries. This is serious. Altman is giving Trump all these users info in a silver tray (no sé cómo se dice dar algo en bandeja de plata, whatever).

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u/yopla Feb 28 '26

So he just sold them his model with the same restriction as anthropic... According to his message.

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u/tr14l Feb 28 '26

The department of WAR promised they don't do WAR and believe in safety and feelings... For WAR. So we are going to rim their bhole and sell our souls

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u/masjr01 Feb 28 '26

You can’t betray something you never had allegiance to. He’s in Netanyahu’s back pocket

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u/charbull Feb 28 '26

Getting an error when I delete my account ... "Bug"?

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u/inspire21 Feb 28 '26

Anyone else notice how most of the negative comments come from Reddit accounts with one word- second word- 3 digit number? There's something fishy going on.

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u/Nicolo2524 Feb 28 '26

Guys, I remember years ago Claude also had deals with the military but I can't find the news about it. Any of you guys have the article or I'm tripping?

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u/believo Feb 28 '26

Cancelled

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u/lucidwray Feb 28 '26

Just cancelled my subscription I’ve had for 18 months. Time to upgrade form Claude Max5x to 20x

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u/Larsmeatdragon Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

Hang on.

Anthropic is saying "Yes we use it in the military, but Mass domestic surveillance and Fully autonomous weapons are hard no's." - and that the DoW wants "any lawful use" and removed safeguards for fully autonomous weapons and mass surveilance.

OpenAI is suggesting they have the 'any lawful use' claused, but their contract has both of the safeguards that anthropic cares about. 

The Department of War may use the AI System for all lawful purposes, consistent with applicable law, operational requirements, and well-established safety and oversight protocols. The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control, nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by a human decisionmaker under the same authorities. Per DoD Directive 3000.09 (dtd 25 January 2023), any use of AI in autonomous and semi-autonomous systems must undergo rigorous verification, validation, and testing to ensure they perform as intended in realistic environments before deployment.

For intelligence activities, any handling of private information will comply with the Fourth Amendment, the National Security Act of 1947 and the Foreign Intelligence and Surveillance Act of 1978, Executive Order 12333, and applicable DoD directives requiring a defined foreign intelligence purpose. The AI System shall not be used for unconstrained monitoring of U.S. persons’ private information as consistent with these authorities. The system shall also not be used for domestic law-enforcement activities except as permitted by the Posse Comitatus Act and other applicable law.

So is this something that Anthropic themselves would sign? Is the 'all lawful purposes' something that overrules the other contractual carve outs for no autonomous weapons and mass surveilance?

E: 'in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control'

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

And who with sound mind believes antropic? They’ll do what the military asks for. No knights in shining armour. They’ll be the same bitches of dow like openai. (It reminds me when google removed the “don’t be evil” line from their manifesto)

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u/Notorious_RNG Feb 28 '26

lol nopeeeeeeeeeeee… Fuck them in the neck.

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u/corbanx92 Mar 01 '26

I think the bigger picture gets list with semantics... the print says they won't survey or attack Americans with this. Which is cool... until you realize they form part of the 5 eyes. So there's no guarantee this surveillance systems won't be deployed on one of these countries...

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u/ionchannels Mar 01 '26

Sorry, why would I do that?

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u/pktgen Mar 01 '26

Just cancelled. Anthropic drew an ethical line and OpenAI showed they are willing to cross it to make the deal.

Taking my $20 to Claude Pro. Idk might even do Max.

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u/winfly Mar 01 '26

I canceled my ChatGPT subscription and signed up for a Claude Code subscription. This is the only leverage we have and I am going to use it.

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

Funny,as antropic worked with military before openai. They were the first. So there is no such thing as ethical line at antropic

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u/winfly Mar 01 '26

You are ignoring the fact that they had hard lines they wouldn’t cross. The Department of Defense uses a variety of technologies and works with a variety of companies, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that those companies are directly involved in surveillance of us citizens and/or final decisions on targeting lethal weapons. These are the things that Anthropic refused to do.

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u/waces Mar 02 '26

They say they would not cross. That’s the communication. And they can simply step it over in the background. See the “be no evil” sentence at Google. Just because they said they won’t cross these lines it doesn’t mean it’s the truth

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u/winfly Mar 02 '26

I don’t think they would risk hundreds of millions of dollars and a fight with the federal government if they were just going to comply anyways. They already have the best models. They didn’t need any “good press”.

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u/jetsknicks25 Mar 01 '26

I would hope any company in the US would be happy for their technology to be used to stop an ICBM hitting the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/27/anthropic-pentagon-lethal-military-ai/

A defense official said the Pentagon’s technology chief whittled the debate down to a life-and-death nuclear scenario at a meeting last month: If an intercontinental ballistic missile was launched at the United States, could the military use Anthropic’s Claude AI system to help shoot it down? It’s the kind of situation where technological might and speed could be critical to detection and counterstrike, with the time to make a decision measured in minutes and seconds. Anthropic chief executive Dario Amodei’s answer rankled the Pentagon, according to the official, who characterized the CEO’s reply as: You could call us and we’d work it out.

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u/FixZealousideal1890 Mar 01 '26

wait what specificly happened? i mightve missed the news about the us betrayal part. do u have a link for context? r u planning on switching to claude or local llms instead?

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u/TheBigCicero Mar 01 '26

In what bizarro world is working with the US government betraying US citizens? Get a grip.

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u/Diabla_Temp Mar 01 '26

found the smol pp 😂 🚨🚨🚨👏

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u/Optimal_Sign_4705 Mar 01 '26

I’m no fan of Trump, the Republicans nor the current administration, in any way, but, if a real, democratic, responsible, representative, law abiding and ethical administration were running the US federal government, wouldn’t supporting that government be a patriotic act? I get that warfare is essentially anti-human, but isn’t national defence also a core value/responsibility of government and its population?

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u/Lunkwill-fook Mar 01 '26

Tim Cook and Sam Altman have both sold out to the kind of people who, if given complete control, would relish in destroying their lifestyles. The MAGA movement despises gay and transgender people and has relentlessly worked to strip away their rights. It’s disgusting that the people who have been most loyal to Trump are two gay men.

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u/-Random_Hero- Mar 01 '26

Lol. So dramatic. Settle down. Stop parroting left wing talking points and read from the source about how OAI is supporting our troops and law enforcement.

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u/Diabla_Temp Mar 01 '26

found the smol pp 😂 🚨🚨🚨👏

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

That guy is hallucinating as much as his models do :D

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u/Money_Dream3008 Mar 01 '26

And why are people against this? I mean other countries are developing military AI regardless. The choice isn’t between AI militarization or not, it’s between responsible development with safeguards or losing ground to other countries who have fewer constraints

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u/lexid222 Mar 03 '26

Because the US military wants to use AI to be self-controlled automated weapons…without ANY human being at the wheel of the weapon. And they want it immediately (before AI is stable enough to do that).

They’re being irresponsible and don’t care that the AI is going to accidentally kill innocent civilians too because it’s not intelligent enough to be self-driven yet.

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u/Besher_fan Mar 01 '26

And what do you recommend for non-US citizens to do? Serious question.

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u/bajcmartinez Mar 01 '26

I wonder how many people upvoting actually deleted their subscriptions?

I deleted mine yesterday, went from pro to free, and subscribed to Claude, until I find a more suitable solution.

Open source models are the future

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

Claude (antropic) did exactly the same thing. So you’re in the same situation. The future is the burst of the ai bubble and use this tool as expected not as now

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u/Hot_Paint3851 Mar 01 '26

Acting like anthropic doesn't work with palantir..

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u/waces Mar 01 '26

Lol. Antropic is the same. And all the major ai companies will do the same. So funny to act like a moral compass

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u/DumbedDownDinosaur Mar 01 '26

Domestic mass surveillence, if you are a foreigner, I don’t think guardrails apply.

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u/CreepyLeather1770 Mar 01 '26

Did you really think they were going to make the hundreds of billions they have spent back through chat gpt subscriptions? It was always going to go this way.

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u/_k33bs_ Mar 01 '26

this sub… all these AI subs are becoming slowly political and partial as fuck…

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u/humanexperimentals Mar 02 '26

Whys it matter?

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u/Outrageous_Walk_3539 Mar 02 '26

It kind of seems like the opposite tbh. USA! 

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u/j35u5fr34k Mar 02 '26

Deleted. Not temporarily.

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u/okkiesch Mar 02 '26

I just find this hilarious. ChatGPT is always trying to please the one it talks to. Antropic says no. Chatgpt goes into pleasing node and halicunates hehehehe

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u/Which-Personality-77 Mar 02 '26

Vomit. OpenAI would have been bankrupt soon. Their product has no soul. it's just gone downhill. We need Claude to maintain! My whole app runs on it.

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u/fyndor Mar 02 '26

I tried. I still need get shit done and my dollar doesn’t go far with Claude. I got cut off pretty quickly using Claude code over codex. I havent canceled OpenAI yet since I needed to see if Claude was just as inefficient with my usage as before and it doesn’t seem like things have changed. I could handle it was a slight quality difference but not if I just get cut off constantly. I don’t know how to work with that.

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u/ChungosMaximus Mar 02 '26

OMG a capitalist company highly focused on profit selling out??
SHOCKER!!!

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u/StrangeOpposite1467 Mar 02 '26

i canclled in janauary for https://www.resistandunsubscribe.com/ and not going back. I cancelled my entire workplace team and moved everything to claude

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u/Reasonable-Place-713 Mar 03 '26

This is good for the people. It helps us unite. Democrat or republican can agree Anthropic is better. The government is settling for 2nd best because Anthropic has morals. We together can put our differences aside and respect when a company stands on values and not dollars!

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u/keylay19 Mar 03 '26

I canceled my chat gpt license and smiled as I declined their offer for a free month.

Goin AI free for as long as society will let me.

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u/fyrysmb Mar 03 '26

I just switched to Claude, and frankly, I really love Claude.

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u/buttlickin Mar 03 '26

Funny none of you cared a month ago when anthropic was in the same partnership.

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u/ChocolateSpecific263 Mar 03 '26

if you dont want data selling why you not demand an pay tier without any data selling?

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u/Wide-Security7194 Mar 03 '26

If the deal is already made, the money has been secured. Your piddly $20 and engagement are no longer materially relevant. But if you continue to feed the model your angst about this situation, your concerns about the world, and sentiments about the future, you're more likely to make a difference. Changing the course of the future is not by leaving this time.

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u/mihai385 Mar 04 '26

Don't tell me what to do! I'll be listening, though 😄

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u/Dexcerides Mar 04 '26

No lol I like codex

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u/Rich-Jellyfist Mar 12 '26

I never trusted chatgpt after the first few times I used it. Before I knew about AI's people pleasing, I could tell that it would just tell me whatever I wanted to hear and something about that didn't sit right with me. I played with it a little, but to me it feels less sophisticated and thoughtful than Claude. Claude was it for me from the first time I used it.

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u/MerryWannaRedux Mar 16 '26

Altman's a POS!!!

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u/MarzipanBrief7402 Mar 24 '26

This is a complicated messy and dangerously ambiguous post

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u/tomcatYeboa Feb 28 '26

Divest from all US tech infrastructure where possible

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u/bobabenz Feb 28 '26

No need to delete your free account, keep using ChatGPT and remember to say Please and Thank You. https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1k41bh2/saying_please_and_thank_you_to_chatgpt_is_costing/

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u/pistol3 Feb 28 '26

How did he betray the US by helping defend the US?

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u/lafarda Feb 28 '26

Helping the current ministry of war does not necessarily imply helping the US.

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u/Various-Abalone8607 Feb 28 '26

Because DoD want to use AI for mass surveillance. That’s why Anthropic backed out.

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u/Ok_Animal_2709 Feb 28 '26

Found San Altman's burner account

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u/Maleficent-Cup-1134 Feb 28 '26

Helping this current administration is not the same as helping US citizens. That’s like saying giving Trump billions of dollars is “helping the US”.

How exactly is helping the government spy on its citizens “helping the US”?

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u/dxdementia Feb 28 '26

mass surveillance by Ai is ok with you ?

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u/just_a_knowbody Feb 28 '26

It’s part of the new “back to conservative roots and family values” Republican Party.

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u/pistol3 Feb 28 '26

There is no DoW request to Anthropic to do mass surveillance on US citizens. By that logic, anytime the government disputes a contractor’s self-imposed restriction, it must secretly want to do the worst thing listed in that restriction.

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u/dxdementia Feb 28 '26

come on. I'm sure anthropic had reasons for their refusal. I doubt it was just a gut feeling.

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u/Euphoric_Chicken3363 Feb 28 '26

Is it the mass surveillance on your fellow citizens or is it the fully autonomous AI weapons that make you feel helped?

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u/pistol3 Feb 28 '26

Is your logic that if DoW doesn’t want to be bound by Anthropic’s terms of service (as interpreted solely by Anthropic) it must want to do the worst things listed in their terms of service? That’s the trick Anthropic is playing on the left (who is eating it up).

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