r/britishcolumbia • u/Camtastrophe • 12h ago
News Alberta considering 3 oil pipeline routes through northern B.C., documents show
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-alberta-smith-pipeline-oil-documents-bc-9.7216983362
u/Double_Intention_641 Vancouver Island/Coast 12h ago
Is this before or after they separate from canada? I'm not sure how they can be talking separation and expect any other plans to run concurrently - that kind of lunacy doesn't offer the stability required for any long term goal.
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u/Low-Fig429 12h ago
Can finally tax that oil in BC.
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u/BCjestex 12h ago
Why does this seen like a fuck u to other Canadians in Alberta. Id be happy cause it will strengthen our country as a whole
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u/JustConversation7847 12h ago
If they separate, they wouldn't be canadians
That's literally what the word 'seperatism' means
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u/BCjestex 12h ago
They arent gonna separate thats daft
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u/JustConversation7847 12h ago
That's what people said about brexit so yeah, don't count your chickens before they hatch or something like that
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u/CanadianTrollToll 11h ago
Brexit was a country leaving an organization.
AB separatism is a province leaving a nation.
Even Scotland didnt leave UK.
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u/losemgmt 11h ago
Same organization behind Brexit is now trying to break up Canada. It could happen.
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u/majarian 11h ago
Those dumbasses in albera think they have more in common with Texas than the rest of us
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u/luciifernnx 11h ago
Lmfao albertans literally got scammed by right-wing media, convinced a bunch of people with 60 second reels to sign their full information on a "petition" then got all their info sold. The petition was never real, Alberta isnt going to seperate. It was and is all click bait bullshit.
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u/NOIS_KillerWhaleTank 9h ago
How?
Explain detail how exporting more of a declining value asset that we get back pennies on the dollar in royalties would strengthen our country?
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u/North-Purple-373 11h ago
Progressives and the elbows up crowd are more interested in moral sanctimony, virtue signalling, and dunking on Alberta than national unity
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u/Needless-To-Say 12h ago
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."
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u/Old_Refrigerator4817 9h ago
They can do this because they have no intentions of separating from Canada.They're just using the threat as leverage, and to secure voting support from the ~30% of AB residents who believe this is good for them, while also netting the votes of all AB residents who want 647 pipelines running through BC's wilderness.
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u/Still_Interview6360 5h ago
It’s true. Gotta play hardball with the nimby’s. Say you’ve 3 northern routes planned. Then the nimbys will be OK with a southern route as compromise.
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u/Thoughtulism 12h ago
They know they'll never separate, they're just riling up stupid people because they think they deserve a bigger piece of the pie because they just so happened to be sitting on an oil deposit. If we moved off of oil and become a have-not province they would still bitch and moan all the same.
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u/AT_thruhiker_Flash 12h ago
It's not an exact parallel but that's basically how Brexit happened too.
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u/Thoughtulism 11h ago
Play stupid games win stupid prizes I guess? This is what you get when you encourage reactionary stupid people. if you're going to play this game much better to do it when there's no actual pathway forward for separation
It's like egging someone on for a fight but then expecting your buds to hold you back. What happens if they so "go ahead"
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u/CanadianTrollToll 11h ago
EU is not one nation. It is VASTLY different.
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u/AT_thruhiker_Flash 11h ago
Like I said. It's not an exact parallel but this is basically how Brexit happened.
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u/StatelyAutomaton 11h ago
No, this is much stupider. This is a referendum to start the process for having a referendum.
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u/CanadianTrollToll 11h ago
It generally works. QC has done it well for decades.
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u/eggdanyjon_3dragons 2h ago
the reason quebec gets catered too is cuz parties have to.
Theyll vote for whoever, ndp, bloc, conservative, or liberal.
If they dont like you theyll vote someone else. Its not a prairie situation where you could catch someone fucking your wife and still vote em if they're blue.
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u/Still_Interview6360 5h ago
That’s the best way to get what you want in Canada. Threaten to leave. It’s called negotiation Eby could learn
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u/CanadianTrollToll 5h ago
Honestly I think the west should bang the drum harder. We get less representation per capita then QC. We get less funding from Ottawa.
I feel like BC could do quite well standing on its own, and with AB could be a powerful group. The only issue is that having AB with us would essentially mean were going to see Cons win forever.
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u/Still_Interview6360 5h ago
It’s would be a wealthy country no doubt. Eby has complained about equalization as well. It’s not just a right wing complaint.
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u/CanadianTrollToll 3h ago
I have an issue with equalization payments as well as well as income tested benefits for Canadians.
In BC we generally have higher incomes, but we also pay some of the highest rent and have high ass home prices. Someone making 75k here is much worse off then someone making 65k in MB and yet the 75k will limit their income tested benefits.
Then when it comes to equalization... Quebec has been receiving it for 70 years and due to its population size they get most of it. Other provinces might get more per capita, but they overall dont cost as much.
Quebec continues to get subsidized and doesnt encourage investment because of its hostility towards anglophones.
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u/Professional_Many_98 8h ago
its all old fashioned blackmail. its eby's take on not rewarding bad behaviour ( which is happening)
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u/ShyguyFlyguy 10h ago
The vast majority of Albertans aren't taking separation seriously. Its a fringe minority and the media has been payed off by hard right american organizations to report on it constantly. The petition for referendum happend with stolen voter data. Most of those "signatures" are people who dont even know they signed it
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u/dorkofthepolisci 3h ago
Wasn’t there at least one separatist who argued for annexing northern BC so they could put their pipelines through
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u/_evilalien_ 8h ago
Albertans aren’t talking separation, a small number of complete morons are throwing their periodic grievance-tantrum egged on by foreign influence ops. Provincial (AB at least) and federal governments are trying to get the pipelines done.
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u/treefarmerBC 8h ago
We should allow a pipeline because it's the right thing to do in confederation but it should be conditional on a "no" vote.
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u/TheExaltedPrime 10h ago
I mean, as someone who lives in Northern B.C, it comes as no shock as more and more projects are pushed.
This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't Smith or her oil lobbyists trying to get into the North.
The main problem a lot of people have with this is that there is no definitive proof that they would hire locals in the region for any of the pipelines, and judging how majority of the LNG projects are going, it most likely will be a 25% local, 75% out of town work for Kitimat or any of the surrounding areas.
Take LNG Canada. JGC Fluor Joint Venture is LNGC's main contractor that is an American Company with holdings and an office in Alberta.
Heck, working alongside them as a surveyor for the early days of LNG (Back in 2020) to being a Teamster and then being a doorman at the local bar, it didn't surprise me to see them bring in tons and tons of Albertans for such projects.
Some people argued that the NW region didn't have that much construction people anyways, and people agreed, but now?
I mean, it's kind of obvious the type of people these pipelines will bring in.
And it won't drive down property value, it won't drive down gas prices. What it will do is increase crime, increase drug trade, increase the already strong Albertan sphere of influence in the province.
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u/QaddafiDuck01 11h ago
AB can fuck off already. Put that pipeline through the US, that's where they truly want to be anyway.
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u/gin_possum 11h ago
This article never even mentions what British Columbian might want or think until the last 1/3 of the story. BC is a passive ‘Terra Nullus’ — Alberta’s empty backyard to do what it likes with. Infuriating alberta-centric writing that assumes BC will just have to do whatever alberta wants.
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u/brat-t 11h ago
Under the current MOU, Alberta is acting as the pipeline proponent during the early planning stages. The province is submitting the proposal to the major projects office for the July 1 deadline, but the agreement ultimately requires a private sector proponent to emerge to build, finance, and operate the pipeline. Nobody, anywhere, has expressed interest in being the private sector proponent, and won't as long as there is a whisper of Alberta separatism.
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 7h ago
It’s not just Alberta separation. It’s the fact that the Alberta movement has shown BC Environmentalists how to win this battle. Can’t claim it’s a national project if we have our own separatist movement.
For a guy who did his dissertation on Game Theory, he’s really putting a lot of stock into BC just rolling over on this. Even if it’s just electorally, it’s going to damage them bad if they can’t convert seats in Alberta and Saskatchewan.
Look at Metro Vancouver vote totals from 2015 to now. 2025 they still weren’t able to get back over the line, mostly because of TMX. The NDP vote collapsed, but 3 points shy of Ontario and Quebec, so they weren’t able to win out the seats.
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u/EducationalLuck2422 6h ago
Nitpick: for Vancouver, it’s largely because of the VSB controversies flipping Richmond and Surrey blue. Immigrant parents DGAF about the O&G industry, but they care a lot about aging, underbuilt schools and half-baked rumours that faculty are teaching their kids alternative lifestyles.
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 6h ago
Not in my riding. But keep telling yourself that.
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u/EducationalLuck2422 5h ago
It’s the case in mine.
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 5h ago
Maple Ridge—Pitt Meadows and Cloverdale—Langley City had both LPC candidates loose by margins that would have been easily covered by NDP voters.
But as I said, the NDP vote didn’t collapse enough in BC (2-3 pts higher than their average for the rest of Canada) and thus the LPC once again lost their majority in Metro Vancouver.
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u/EducationalLuck2422 5h ago
Ah, the federal election. To which I'd point out that everything east of the Pitt River and 200th has been solid blue since almost forever.
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 5h ago
lol wut? I guess 2015 didn’t happen in your reality.
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u/EducationalLuck2422 5h ago
"Almost." The entire country getting sick of Harper all at once is an outlier; when was the last time a Liberal won in Maple Ridge otherwise?
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u/Bogdanovist_Rebel 4h ago
Early 90s. But hey, Handwave away the fact that they lost by 1,110 and 800 votes in those ridings. Which they likely would have won if it wasn’t for TMX being important to just enough people to punish the LPC electorally. Happened all over the city.
I tried telling my old EDA this when they acclaimed someone who had previously donated thousands to Dalton. But hey, she’s going to take a second crack at it this fall.
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u/HovercraftOk6322 12h ago
How much money are BC tax payers going to see with these pipelines??
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u/bdickie 12h ago
None, but when oil spills off the pacific coast it'll be our bill to clean it up
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u/jzillacon 7h ago
Even if Alberta did foot the cost, money alone doesn't truely fix an oil spill. It doesn't bring back anything killed by the spill, and it doesn't erase the time it takes to properly restore an area either.
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u/KingInTheFarNorth 5h ago
And the oil spill cleanup with be in excess of $10B
And it will happen, this is the exact same channel as the Queen of the North
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u/FaceFullOfMace 11h ago
Pipelines are extremely safe when not tampered with much safer than trucks driving
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u/losemgmt 11h ago
How do you get the “oil to market”. Underwater pipelines to Asia?
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u/FaceFullOfMace 10h ago
Well you aren’t driving them to Asia, they take a boat. Complete straw man argument, you have to think about this with a reasonable realistic understanding, pipelines are safer and cause less damage to the environment than trucks or trains delivering it to the coasts to export, that much we can agree on, I also think we need to move to more renewable energy such as power plants, dams, windmills, etc.
But as of right now and the foreseeable future, we are using oil so why not make it better?
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u/losemgmt 9h ago
Make what better?
The issue is everyone in BC is saying no large tankers in the Hecate Straight - the risk is too great.
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u/ideliver12345 8h ago
It’s not a strawman, the northern tanker traffic will drastically increase in a narrow harbour increasing risk of spills.
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u/bdickie 9h ago
Ok so if were all being reasonable here let me ask you to do the same. BC already has concerns over the level of oil tanker traffic is increasing to the point where a spill is inevitable. By increasing tanker traffic by what 25-30% it rises even higher. Most people in BC realise already the safety of the pipeline vs trains or vehicles. Were concerned about what happens once it gets out of the pipeline. And once it spills on the Pacific coast it wont be Alberta's problem anymore and the Federal government as most in Alberta can attest. Ottawa doesnt notice when stuff happens out here the same way they do in the east. So we fully expect to have to deal with the repercussions ourselves. And as long as we're expecting to be on our own in this, we're probably going to keep pushing back on it.
For most in BC we'd honestly prefer a pipeline to rail traffic. And we're well aware we are the closest warm water ports (hence why the conversation is never the great lakes and Hudson bay) and thus access to tide water markets. But its be great if we could get some commitments for the risk our economie is taking for the greater good of the confederation.
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u/Yvaelle 8h ago edited 7h ago
There's no way for anyone to sufficiently protect the risk to our economy from a north coast pipeline.
For starters, many of the biggest projects in Canada right now are in BC, working with the first Nations not against them. A north coast pipeline jeopardizes $150B+ in existing projects being shutdown. No pipeline is worth that risk alone, let alone the decades of further obstinacy we could face to all future work. BC has the most economic potential of anywhere in Canada without peer, a northern route risks all of that.
Second, most of Canada is used to largely ignoring first Nations rights, but BC has different land agreements than the rest of Canada. Ottawa ignored BC when it wrote the national agreements 150 years ago, so our land is often literally sovereign, unceded territory like Haida Gwaii. Those aren't just woke words. BC together has painstakingly built our own agreements that work despite Ottawa kind of fucking us over from the start - but if we get confrontational and escalate the way Albertans want to do - the outcome will be way worse not better.
Then you get into the risk of an inevitable marine spill in saltwater, where even under ideal circumstances 87% of heavy crude can never be cleaned from saltwater (it sinks and forms suspended tarballs), and in a realistic scenario for a Hecate strait spill, we would be lucky to clean 5% of spilled oil during a spill, and it would cost billions to do even that. That means ecosystem collapse, no more salmon, orcas, etc - no more fishing industry or tourism or coastal property values. That's hundreds of billions in damages over decades of lost income and economic depression. No insurance policy covers one tenth of that outcome.
Then you have, as you alluded, that the TMX supreme court case ruled that BC gov and taxpayers would stand entirely 100% alone in the event of a marine spill. Gov Alberta, Gov Canada, pipeline operator, etc - have Zero liability to lift a finger to help us when a spill occurs.
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u/Teagana999 11h ago
There are serious concerns about traffic disrupting the sensitive environment up north though, even without a spill.
They already got a pipeline, I don't see why they need another, but if they did, the only place in BC it should be going is the lower mainland, where there's already traffic and the semblance of capacity to clean up if a tanker crashes.
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u/pretendperson1776 10h ago
The ships carrying it are also fairly safe, but ferries are fairly safe as well, yet one sank within recent memory. The value to BC is not worth the risk presented.
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u/TranslatorTough8977 8h ago
And the south coast is the designated area for oil tankers, because the north coast is too dangerous. Remember the grand bargain?
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u/internetisnotreality 10h ago
Most pipeline spills happen from outlier weather events. They’re “safe” as long as nothing adverse happens in the environment.
Thankfully, we don’t have flooding, atmospheric rivers, landslides or anything like that in BC :/
We’re also expecting a megaquake, magnitude 9 on the Richter scale at some point. That’s gonna lead to a lot of broken pipeline and spilled oil.
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u/sparky-von-flashy 7h ago
Ahhh, yes I remember when that one small spill of only 19 truckloads of oil spilled on that dude‘s farm from a burst pipe. Pretty safe and good. Even excellent. Not very much only a small amount only 556k litres of oil spilled. Pretty safe yes.
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u/Bluestripedshirt 9h ago
Time to set up BC Slant Drilling Corp and suck out the oil from under AB from this side of the Rockies!!
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u/goinupthegranby 12h ago
The only thing Alberta hates more than other provinces not doing what they say is sharing oil and gas money with other provinces. Also that money is for investors, many foreign, not Canadians. The government ie citizens getting money from our resources is evil socialism.
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u/Ontheragnarock Vancouver Island/Coast 12h ago
Maybe we can sue when they kill off the southern resident orcas, but I doubt it.
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u/Devolution13 8h ago
British Columbia benefits from the Trans Mountain pipeline in several measurable ways, although the extent depends on whether you focus on government revenues, jobs, exports, Indigenous partnerships, or environmental risk.
Here’s the broad picture:
Direct economic benefits to B.C.
According to federal and Trans Mountain estimates:
- B.C. is expected to receive roughly $5.7 billion in tax revenues and royalties over about 20 years from the expansion project.
- Trans Mountain says pipeline corridor communities in B.C. receive about $52 million annually in property taxes.
- The province also negotiated payments of:
- $25–50 million per year through the BC Clean Communities Program,
- potentially totaling up to $1 billion over 20 years.
Jobs and wages
Construction created a large temporary employment boost:
- More than 16,000 B.C. residents reportedly worked on the project during construction.
- An independent EY study cited by the Business Council of British Columbia estimated the expansion:
- generated 67,000+ full-time equivalent jobs during construction,
- added $26.3 billion to GDP, and
- paid $11 billion in wages between 2018–2023.
However, critics point out that many of these were temporary construction jobs rather than long-term permanent positions. Some opponents argue the number of permanent B.C. jobs is relatively modest once construction ends.
Port and export benefits
The pipeline expansion nearly tripled capacity from about 300,000 to 890,000 barrels per day, allowing Alberta oil to reach Pacific markets through Burnaby.
That benefits B.C. because:
- the Port of Vancouver area gains marine export activity,
- associated shipping, terminal, and logistics industries grow,
- B.C. strengthens its role as Canada’s Pacific energy export gateway.
Indigenous economic participation
Many Indigenous communities in B.C. signed benefit agreements connected to TMX:
- Over $6 billion in Indigenous contracts were reportedly awarded during construction.
- Thousands of Indigenous workers were employed on the project.
- Some Indigenous groups are pursuing ownership stakes in Canadian pipeline infrastructure as long-term revenue sources.
But this is politically complex because other Indigenous nations strongly oppose the project over environmental and territorial concerns.
The counterargument
Critics in B.C. argue the economic upside is overstated relative to:
- spill and marine ecosystem risks,
- climate impacts,
- tanker traffic increases,
- and the province’s transition toward cleaner energy.
Opponents also note that B.C. bears much of the environmental risk while Alberta captures most producer profits from oil exports.
Bottom line
Economically, B.C. does benefit substantially from Trans Mountain:
- billions in taxes and GDP activity,
- tens of thousands of construction-related jobs,
- ongoing municipal tax revenue,
- and stronger export infrastructure.
But compared with Alberta, the economic gains are smaller because Alberta owns the oil production itself. Much of B.C.’s benefit comes from transportation, port activity, taxes, and construction spending rather than oil royalties. At the same time, B.C. also carries a significant share of the environmental and political risk associated with the project.
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u/Fine-Author-5999 Vancouver Island/Coast 12h ago
Nothing will get the NDP reelected more securely than steadfastly opposing a northern pipeline.
It’s like Smith and Carney are trying to save Eby’s career.
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u/kokomo1989 12h ago
The utter lack of respect for BC by Smith and her accomplices enrages me. They have been emboldened by Ottawa’s seeming kowtowing. How can this Province, intent on leaving Canada, have such an impact on British Columbians? Maybe it’s time for BC to start pretending that we should separate, and demand concessions.
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u/greenknight Peace Region 11h ago
Starting with annexation of
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u/bfrscreamer 12h ago
The irony is BC would have better prospects if they ever did separate. It would still be incredibly
Stupid to do so, and we’d suffer immensely, but at least we have world-class tourism and the ports Alberta so desperately wants to access without repercussions.I’m also extremely disappointed in Carney’s approach to Smith. Even if it is a bluff, it’s sending the wrong message. But I suppose we should expect nothing less from economists who become politicians.
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u/mahouza Vancouver 11h ago
If it was a bluff he wouldn't have removed environmental protections.
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u/bfrscreamer 9h ago
That tax “revenue” is completely offset by public investment and the environmental consequences of entrenching further into oil and gas.
Edit: this was meant for the other respondent, sorry.
I agree, I was being charitable. He’s a traditional economist, through and through. I think he knows what he’s doing in terms of finances, but everything else, including the environment, is damned.
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u/Mobius_Peverell Lower Mainland/Southwest 3h ago
BC is really the only province that could make a plausible case for separatism, because of how badly it would ruin the rest of Canada. Canada without access to Asian markets is hardly a country at all; BC without access to Atlantic markets would be pretty much fine.
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u/bfrscreamer 2h ago
Yep, pretty much. It would force more economic co-operation with the US, which would only strengthen them while continuing to weaken Canada’s economy. Which is why Canada works best as a unified country—this is true for BC, too.
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u/SplitFar4152 7h ago edited 3h ago
While a majority may not participate, I sure do wonder how they might react when the feds start having to modernize and further militarize our special CRU-BC goon squads [once C-IRG but they poisoned that name after injuring and falsely arresting too many people] so they can better-abuse British Columbians on behalf of the albertan o&g industry once they start trying to clear ground through the inevitable blockades.
Times are different, it's not just FN groups and Islanders nor over a handful of trees local companies want to clear.
The largest act of civil disobedience in our history was over that handful of trees, and the CRU were [and have been] enforcing on behalf of local companies.
Since their formation as the C-IRG there has been a consistent, recorded pattern of legal and physical abuse against those engaging in civil disobedience that continues to this day.
What happens when it's an issue the public are actually invested in, forced onto us by neighbours who see us as lesser, and feds who pretend we don't exist?
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u/BCjestex 12h ago
They got us fighting province vs province crazy how devision is sewn
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u/CanadianTrollToll 11h ago
Even better when the feds agree with AB and BC doesn't so you can watch your provincial tax dollars being burned to fight your federal tax dollars being burned to fight back.
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u/Lapcat420 3h ago
If I were an adversary of Canada I would be pouring resources into stirring this pot.
Much like the disinformation campaign during Brexit.
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u/island-roamer 9h ago
3 of the 4 routes go through the tanker ban area. I figured they'd have one route there as a red herring, but not 3.
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u/TrashedLeBlanc 8h ago
Remember when Harper and Alberta were going to shove Northern Gateway through BC? Their profit sharing breakdown was something like. 60% Alberta, 35% federal 5% BC but BC was supposed to carry the costs of clean up, mitigation and remediation with the feds refusing to increase insurance minimums for oil companies and completely unable or unwilling to enforce tankers from Chinese state owned companies due to Harpers FIPA in his Canada/China trade agreement?
yeah. Let's not do this again
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u/Critical_Cat_8162 12h ago
That's nice. I'm considering putting a driveway through my neighbors yard. I wonder how that will go over?
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u/Annextro 10h ago
I'm considering what it would be like to survive to see the age of 60 but I guess they don't factor that into the equation.
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u/Jeramy_Jones 7h ago
It’s both infuriating and frightening to see Alberta repeatedly doubling down on oil and gas, an industry which is increasingly replacing human workers with automation, has, historically, been heavily subsidized by taxpayers, is owned and manipulated by American billionaires and is doing irreparable damage, not only to our climate, but to any arable land that could’ve supported other industries such as cattle, canola or wheat.
Alberta has the resources to produce vast amounts of electricity with wind, solar and hydro. They have safe zones where nuclear plants could be built. They are the nation’s breadbasket and are renowned for the quality of their beef. They don’t have to capitulate to the demands of American oil barons.
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u/ireliawantelo 3h ago
They make more money than us despite a lower population, worse geography, and a so called less diversified economy so I dont think its all that convincing when we preach to them.
Especially considering our economy is solely based on keeping the real estate bubble propped up by importing young foreigners.
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u/SoLetsReddit 11h ago
Alberta is, but no pipeline companies are.
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u/Electrical_Bed2902 10h ago
This is what I don't understand, all this chaos and for what?? No way is a publicly funded pipeline going to go over well with Canadians. Those companies are earning record profits.
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u/SoLetsReddit 6h ago
Well if its publicly funded and owned then sure go for it, as long as the profits go back into the tax pool.
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u/Still_Interview6360 5h ago
They will build it but aren’t interested in 2-4 years of indigenous consultation. Enbridge spent $700 million on northern gateway only to be told no by Trudeau. Shareholders aren’t ok with that kind of waste.
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u/Every_Court_1394 12h ago
Can Alberta please fuck off.
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u/GrrRider 12h ago
You understand that the Alberta Fuck Off people are being fed and amplified by foreign agitators just as much as the Alberta Separatista right?
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u/AguywithabigPulaski 10h ago
Oh wow this is news to me. When do I get my first payment?
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u/GrrRider 8h ago
You're being manipulated, not paid. Unplug from the algorithm.
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u/AguywithabigPulaski 7h ago
Damn. Apparently my various degrees in STEM are part of the algorithm.
Again, when do I get paid for this?
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u/Every_Court_1394 8h ago
I'm a steelheader along the proposed northern route. Doesn't take a foreign agitators to make me despise Alberta for trying to force the pipeline through where I live and play.
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u/PoliticalSasquatch Lower Mainland/Southwest 11h ago
I think the only pipeline they can really push through is going to be another trans mountain expansion as any proposed route northward is pretty well dead on arrival.
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u/Professional_Many_98 8h ago
nope the opposition to another southern pipeline will be huge.
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u/jzillacon 6h ago
The opposition to any new pipeline will be significant, but it's still more likely to go through if it's following a route that already exists.
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u/PoliticalSasquatch Lower Mainland/Southwest 6h ago
The federal government still owns trans mountain, with the right of way and existing infrastructure already in place there isn’t much the province can do. I believe another TMX along the current route is going to be the compromise Carney will sell to BC and AB.
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u/Still_Interview6360 5h ago
Ya I agree. But Canada can expropriate the route it needs for another pipeline even if it’s a different route.
Tmx is full so need another one asap
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u/Super_Toot 12h ago
How is Eby going to play this one?
A significant portion of NDP supporters don't want a pipeline period.
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u/aldur1 12h ago
Other than angry media appearances, Eby confirmed he won't try to block a new pipeline via the courts.
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u/mahouza Vancouver 11h ago
Do you have a source for that?
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u/fleuvage 11h ago
But it’s likely not him to lead that charge. It’ll be all the affected First Nations who will tie it up.
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u/Floatella 12h ago
These aren't realistic proposals. There's nothing to play really.
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u/turtlefan32 11h ago
It isn’t about realism. It is about perception
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u/Floatella 11h ago
Exactly. Carney gets to tell low info voters out east that he's "building Canada", Smith gets to tell the construction industry in Alberta that the pipeline is on the way, while everyone else goes on with life.
Risky strategy for Carney though. As Bob Marley said, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."
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u/Old_and_moldy 9h ago
If you don’t think Carney wants a pipeline you are not paying attention.
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u/Professional_Many_98 8h ago
I was a strong carney supporter but that is over although conservatives probably want ito help alberta even more than the liberals
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u/Floatella 9h ago
From where to where carrying what? To sell to whom? One of these proposals had the pipeline going to Stewart...you'd have to demolish the entire town to make room for the terminal.
It's not serious stuff. You're getting played.
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u/Old_and_moldy 9h ago
Played? Not sure how me thinking Carney wants a pipeline is being ‘played’
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u/Floatella 8h ago
If we seriously wanted to increase our Asia-Pacific exports as quickly as possible the plan would be to follow the traditional CNR/TMX route from Hinton to Kamloops and Kamloops to Vancouver. It's been surveyed to death over the last 130 years...so it's a good route.
But there's a catch! Which is that the Burnaby Mountain terminal is at it's max and geographically limited, and no amount of dredging the harbour can solve that.
So logically you would build a storage facility/refinery in Delta between Ladner and Tsawwassen and pump that on to ships from an offshore terminal adjacent to the existing Delta Port facility.
But good luck getting rich NIMBYS who don't make a cent from O&G, and the local First Nations on board.
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u/Super_Toot 12h ago
What happens once construction starts?
Carney and Smith and going for it.
What will stop them?
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u/Floatella 12h ago
"What will stop them?"
Money.
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u/Super_Toot 12h ago
How will money stop this pipeline?
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u/Floatella 12h ago
Pipelines aren't free. They cost tens of billions of dollars.
Same reason I don't own a 6000 square foot cedar cabin.
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u/Super_Toot 12h ago
Do you think there won't be a pipeline or do you hope there won't be a pipeline?
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u/Floatella 12h ago
Both.
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u/Super_Toot 12h ago
We will find out.
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u/Floatella 12h ago
That's fair. Just keep in mind that an MOU is just that, an understanding, not a commitment.
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u/Advancedparrot 10h ago edited 10h ago
Who's going to build and pay for the pipeline? Theres really no private sector partner at this point. The Feds spent $34 billion on the Transmountain pipeline, which was an expansion of an existing pipeline.
Building a brand new pipeline through Northern BC is going to cost an insane amount no matter which route they choose. I don't support tax dollars going towards any new oil pipeline.
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u/Still_Interview6360 5h ago
TC energy built a pipeline to Kitimat for $15 billion. So it’s can be done for cheaper than $34 billion
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u/Advancedparrot 4h ago
That was a natural gas pipeline, not the same thing. But the point is theres no private sector investor to pay for any hypothetical pipeline. So even if it did cost $15 billion, its still shouldn't be funded by taxpayers.
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u/Still_Interview6360 4h ago
You are right they are different pipelines. Coastal gas link is 48” and tmx expansion only 36”.
Pipe is pipe. Unless you can explain how a bigger Pipe is cheaper.
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u/Advancedparrot 4h ago
The risk of a spill from an oil pipeline is not the same as a natural gas pipeline, so the process and environmental protections/ reviews are different. Its not just about the size of the pipe but whats in them.
Theres a reason they haven't built many oil pipelines to the coast compared to natural gas. The risk of environmental catastrophe is much higher
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u/turtlefan32 11h ago
He is between a rock and a hard place, much of his own doing. Abandoned traditional NDP. Values to a large extent.
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u/Koleilei 11h ago
The hypocrisy of Smith and the UCP is as bad as the Republicans in the US.
You can't be driving a separtist movement, then be talking about how western provinces need to work together, talk about 'Canadian' coastlines when discussing pipelines, then threaten to cut off BC. You're part of us and willing to work together, or you're not.
You cannot keep your cake while eating it.
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u/JudgementallySecret 9h ago
B.C. didn't agree to any of this and has been pretty clear about not wanting more pipelines through the province, so Alberta just deciding to "consider" routes here without consultation feels tone deaf at best. The whole separation talk makes it even messier because you can't exactly demand infrastructure cooperation from a province you're threatening to leave.
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u/Professional_Bus8027 8h ago
What is our benefit on this? Anyone can explain? Is Alberta going to pay us anything
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u/brycecampbel Thompson-Okanagan 11h ago
OK, someone has to be playing someone here, right?
I just can't make out if Canada is playing Alberta or if Alberta is playing Canada.
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u/ItchyStitches101 11h ago
If Ottawa tries to shove these pipelines down our throats perhaps its time for our own referendum.
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u/Real_Coach_Bombay 11h ago
I did not see the southern route. I wonder where that one goes? New routes would also need an Environmental Assessment and supporting engineering design. I imagine that would take 2 to 4 years and someone to pay for it. Probably a 2030 problem.
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u/Aggressive-Pie-3233 10h ago
Good fucking luck with that, 1 on the line that's already there will maybe be cool 😎
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u/Agent168 9h ago
They can consider all they want. But they don’t get to decide if it goes through or not.
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u/WinglessJC 9h ago
Man at the pub was loudly declaring that Alberta should just invade BC because "Alberta has all the soldiers"
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u/FatMike20295 8h ago
BC should file a case with the court stopping all talks about pipelines with the referendum going on and filling a motion to stop a y future works with the pipeline works or operation thought BC if AB ever seperate. You want your pipelines thought BC, got to stay in Canada.
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u/RecognitionOk9731 8h ago
You don’t get to blackmail other provinces to get your way Alberta. No pipelines until the threats stop.
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u/r3dd4w6 6h ago
new satirical headlines
"BC is planning a heavy oil pipeline that will go through, under or over, the bow river and the elbow river in Alberta."
"although these water ways are used for drinking water progress must go on!"
how would alberta like this? would albertans be welcoming to help others progress?
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u/TreasureDiver7623 6h ago
By the time it’s built the global need for this type of oil will be gone.
Learn the difference between sweet and sour crude and you will understand
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u/CaptainKoreana Vancouver Island/Coast 11h ago
Still the northern route???
Man Marlaina really loves Eby.
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u/Tribalbob 8h ago
I have a neighbor between myself and the building gym, so I'm considering just installing a hallway through his suite so I can more directly access it.
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u/West-Payment5874 4h ago
What do the forest children think? How much shakedown will it take to accommodate their concerns for “the land”?
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u/Rivetingcactus 11h ago
Good ! Tax and royalty them properly and we can get our crude to global markets and not ge forced to sell to US
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u/Minimum-South-9568 7h ago
This is a poison pill to make sure she can still blame Ottawa and further her separatist cause, or more like American annexation cause. Wonder how much the American billionaires and Trump had to promise her.
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u/luunta87 12h ago
We need pipelines to both the east and west so it does need to happen. It's better if it happens on agreed upon terms rather than being forced by a court.
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u/Cognoggin 8h ago
At this point I think it's safe to say that the UCP doesn't actually care about the pipeline It's just a separation mechanism to encourage people to vote to leave and they can get their MAGA bucks and flee the country.
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