Chinese BL
What is wrong with some obsessive fans? And what is wrong with their company why can't they provide security.
I just saw a video of Double Helix actors, fans were following them like crazy and god knows what they were doing elio fell down and Ayden was protecting him cause this crazy fans were trying to touch him.
And what is wrong with their company they should at least provide security. And protect their own artist. It's not the first time happening it happens with many BL actors. Whenever I see these videos I feel so gross and uncomfortable like they are not saying don't click pictures but at least fans should keep some decency. Give them space to breathe. And if they become rude and mean fans will blame them.
This parasocial relationship is getting out of hand where artists are getting repeatedly harassed, stalked, and whatnot. I hope Elio is fine now.
Yeah it's all interrelated if you don't feed fans they will cancel you and you will get hate. If you don't do anything things like this happen. Chinese fans are on another level.
Chinese fans believes that they are the only reason you get what you have. There was a "big fan" who took photos of a young actor in airports, train stations, events. She posted this to this young actor "My decision to stop sending you your photos is a warning to you.“
They don't call her "stalker". It's call 站姐 in China. This is another odd byproduct of the fandom economy. A new generation of paparazzi who gain followers and turn a profit by taking photos of celebrities. And yes, somehow we've reached a point where even paparazzi, one of the most disgraceful professions out there, have fans of their own.
When have I ever said it's the actors' fault? Just like I said, fans are upset and also enjoying the photos came from the harassment and invasion. These are not conflict to fan group culture.
tbf it's daipai not fans.. they don't care about safety or feelings, just getting the shot. And when it gets dangerous and the pair embrace each other harder that's even more money in their eyes.
so many of these new guys' companies are ran by like three people with a paperclip; I could see them not having the money for personal security.
I saw the video and i'm so shocked, i knew chinese fans were crazy but my god. Also the terror on Sitong eyes? Ayden always protecting him of this crazy people
That vid came across my Tumblr feed and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. They were basically in the fetal position, while fans were swarming them, and nobody to protect them.
They don’t touch grass. They’re not hugged enough. It really is these damn phones I swear 😩 I’m hoping it will subside over time when they move on to the next obsession… The companies need to do better.
But the audacity they have to harass people and you are right in a few days it will be new actors and the same scenario. They need a bodyguard to protect them.
Saesangs unfortunately exist everywhere and they have traumatised people even way before One Direction and Justin Bieber and BTS (see Beatlesmania or Michael Jackson-mania). As an old person, I've sadly seen this parasocial behaviour time and time again in all forms and industries (even niche ones) and it's not out of human realm for people to genuinely act like this.
Also the heated rivalry boys got the same treatment and i highly doubt they hired their own saesangs nor is this industry practice outside of papwalks for the recent cbl given how traumatic and unsafe it all seems
i know about Chinese saesang toxic fan culture, and I'm not defending it. But we need to remember unless these shows are doing BIG THINGS in China (which we would be hearing about, and I'm actually on Double Helix twitter, and have heard nothing loll), the Chinese don't even know who these guys are for real. A lot of these companies stage situations like this specifically to create buzz in China for the actors.
while I agree with your thought that some of the stuff coming from this show is staged, why are you expecting to see a lot of traffic about this show on twitter from CN fans? Wouldn't you check Red Note or Weibo to see if this show/actors actually has a lot of CN fans? xD
Idk... if i were an entertainment company it just seems like a huge risk to put my actors in a situation like that because people have gotten trampled and died from stampedes and crowd crushes like this.
I don't think so. I can see why you'd think it but this is something Chinese fans are known for. They don't just stop at the airport. Fans still follow Tian & Ziyu in traffic and film into their car windows. They are insane
TianYu are astronomically famous around the world, at this point. They are the #1 & #2 C-entertainment stars right now. These other cbl actors are literally nobodies. You can't convince me that Chinese toxic fan culture is so bad they mob *anyone* with impunity, and these companies/actors aren't doing anything to protect themselves consistently. lol
Tian and Ziyu were also complete nobodies until they weren't. DH is pretty popular right now. So was too my shore. And Desire. Now all those people are known. I don't think it's that they will mob anyone, i think the shows that are popular right now will draw that kind of fan attention. If companies were routinely out here either paying or telling people to mob actors to make them seem more famous, don't you think we'd have at least one blabbermouth on tiktok exposing it?
TianYu were both already somewhat known, tho they weren't super famous. There are videos pre-Revenged Love of them being followed by fans. That being said, they shot up in fame after Revenged Love FAStT and WE SAW (if you were someone that was paying attention) their rise. Chinese fans were posting how they would be trending on Chinese social media and their Weibo topics would be get closed because they had so much engagement and it was about a bl.
we have gotten none of that with any of these other guys (aside: I'm sorry if I'm hurting people's feelings, but I don't care about downvotes, and y'all can report me to reddit s*icide watch all you want! lol), so it's like where are these "fans" coming from? We have to be real with ourselves, here. Toxic sasaeng fans are bad news bears, but I don't like being gaslit, which is what it feels like a lot of these cbl actors' management companies are doing.
Not really no. If you are aware of chinese fan culture this is alas very common. Recently at a mall in china people broke the glass door because they wanted to see the male lead of the drama pursuit of jade. There wasn't even space for breathing in the mall let alone standing. All for a glimpse of the actor. Revenged love male lead also went through same airport mobbing but it died down when he hired proper security. They grab the actor's phone and face and scream at them if they dont give them footage. I am not making this up the fan culture over there is very toxic and powerful. Fans decide which actors will work together and which ones they want gone. Idk why they have so much power bt they do. Sadly.
how I see it is you are comparing very real situations with (imo) staged situations, and that's what I'm saying. These situations *do* happen for real, so many times, that peeps just start to believe every situation is the same and start to become numb to it.
there are 2 videos I've seen going around. One where they are being followed by like 10 people and security but they are acting like they can't move, mind you even tho the shaky cam tried to stay on a tight shot we keep seeing glimpses of the surrounding area, and there is def room to maneuver if they wanted to for real. And a second video that's an even tighter shot where they collapse to the ground (I'm sorry, but lol) for seemingly no reason at all.
i'm sorry, but I've seen too much to be fooled. lol
I don't know...I just saw an article today about a fan event for ZLH (not BL I know), that resulted (iirc?) in the glass panels on the doors of the mall shattering and the hoards of fans just rushed in.
Like, yes, PoJ is a lot bigger than your typical CBL, but like...if fans would do that...not the first time you see the effects of crazy fans too...
The thing is i've seen fans legit go crazy in the most niche fandoms so I don't think its a matter of how famous someone is. It might even be that smaller fandoms make fans feel more comfortable overpowering the "celebrity figure"
Oh don't worry. Saesang cn fujoshis know these shows exist. There are enough of them and they don't need to be hired to terrorise these actors for PR. That's why i believe these weekly saesang clips are real. I would love to be wrong!
China knows they exist. They use VPNs. Heck Lucas and Kibo live in mainland China and have one of the most popular gay couple channels there is. If you say you don't know who Lucas and Kibo are...Im revoking your membership. To what idk yet.
obviously they do, that's how TianYu broke through. But what I'm saying it would need to be HUGE for it to move the needle, which as far as I've seen none of these cbl or actors have really broke through beyond the niche of "international bl actor" and doing Thailand/Taiwan/other country (outside of China) fanmeets and stuff.
Hmm I see what u mean but since China is so massive and has like a billion people, im not sure them being internationally famous or not matters. Some of the most famous chinese actors are completely unknown outside of China or Asia overall. I think its very possible some of this stuff could be organized by fans/fan accounts or even if not outright staged, encouraged or allowed by the companies or something where it isn't always completely organic.
I mean, he is (the theme song has invaded our spin class lol) but like, think of other way way way more famous actors from the west. They don't usually get mobbed.
I feel this whole not quite treating your current idol/actor obsession as human seems to be quite on par behaviour for some fans. At least, enough situations have happened that I don't even question it anymore (which is terrible). But hey kpop fans are...intense...too. So...*shrug*
Yeah he even had huge security ( I mean literally haha check out photos)provided for him in NY airport when he flew in because fans were stacked trying to get to him in New York
I think a few sustained minor injuries. But getting away with just a few getting some abrasion/cuts is really way better than I would have expected looking at the crowd. So...can't really ask for more?
I think even if these scenes are not fully 'staged'—which they surely can be, and it is a much more realistic view than conspiracy thinking—they are definitely encouraged and publicized.
I mean, less security = less money spent; more buzz and risk = more videos and views = more visibility and publicity. Isn't that a win-win for agencies?
They don't really care about the actors' health or lives, even the really famous there. They can uplift or downgrade anyone, and there is always a fresh new face ready to be worked on to make a few bucks.
I'm actually stunned to speak after reading this like I never thought this was related to PR. Why do you think they do this? Cause this series is already a hit they don't need any more hype.
I feel like the truth is somewhere in the middle where management doesn't necessarily "hire" these sasaengs but they tolerate them and use them for exposure until the risk becomes greater than the PR reward. Then they're like "please stop harassing our actors"
I just saw this video and I was horrified and bloody angry😡 Wgat is wrong with these people? Ayden had to squat to cover the pushed and fallen Sitong with his body and people who are so called fans kept trying to take photos and touch them. Managers, production companies hire some security for your actors please and keep them safe. Their health and well being should be your first priority, come on and step up😡 I saw the SCD boys in a similar situation a few weeks back and was feeling the same, angry and concerned for these boys. Please be aware of this serious issue and keep our bl actors safe😊
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u/Stiles_Stiles 18h ago
Because that's how they make money. They feed this toxic fan environment on purpose.
You think fans are upset about this? The same fan who buy those photos or comment "He looks so handsome in your photo".
If you stop those crazy runners, people will say "Wow, Chinese actors are so arrogant that they don't even interact with their fans.
The fan group culture in China are toxic like a cult.