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Episode Gnosia - Episode 21 discussion

Gnosia, episode 21

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u/StrawSolider Mar 15 '26

I had my issues with this show, and still a lot of unanswered questions but I'm satisfied and impressed that we got an actual Good VN anime

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u/liscup34 Mar 15 '26

What are the unanswered questions. They already explain everything to me and there are no issues. I can explain it. Everything does make sense to be honest.

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u/azmodeaph Mar 15 '26

why does SQ ask "Do you think humanity should be erased in this universe?"? Is it to gish for Gnosia?

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u/liscup34 Mar 15 '26

It is to see if Yuri remembers anything since the whole Gnosia shenanigans is related to that "humanity should be erased" thing.

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u/RPWPA Mar 21 '26

I have some please.

Why was there no dual existance issue when Setsu went to another universe or did that one just not have a setsu in it?

Yuri being gnosia is weird since originally, there is no yuri, right? Specially as the other Gnosia eleminate him before the start of the episode. Wouldnt they know something is wrong if they see him again specially if he is a gnosia like them?

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u/liscup34 Mar 21 '26

It just meant that world line's Setsu get cybernized by Gnosia on Liu-An.

Gnos creates Yuri's body so if the Silver Key wants it in their data, Gnos can make Yuri a Gnosia after other Gnosia killed the original Yuri. Everyone actually already always knows the original Yuri is dead, that is how they know Gnosia is on the ship and Comet says Yuri's existence is fuzzy in episode 5. Everyone's memories and cognition just get bugged out because Yuri is a Bug so no one can question it.

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u/Fine-Measurement1644 Mar 21 '26

That's not how they know Gnosia is on the ship though. 

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u/liscup34 Mar 21 '26

That is how they know though. Once they do the first off-screen warp. If they detect no Gnosia and the original Yuri didn't get killed then there would be no "Day 0" and "Day 1" stuffs and they would just be going as normal. If there is Gnosia on board, they would also notice original Yuri is killed then everyone gonna prepare for a meeting where they call it "Day 1".

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u/RPWPA Mar 21 '26

Thank you. Glad to get a conclusion for these 2.

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u/LoZfan03 Apr 25 '26

just finished my watch through. seems like they never explained what Gnosia or their motivations even are. I presume they relate to Gnos...? but I expected more info at some point

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u/liscup34 Apr 25 '26

Gnos wants to assimilate more intelligence into them, they want expansion, they want all intelligence life to be under one great will of Gnos (Yuriko explains it). Gnosia is Gnos's terminals, Gnosia can cybernize intelligence life (as seen with when Gnosia cybernize Otome or Jina's mother) and expand the collective consciousness of Gnos.

This whole thing with Yuri is for Gnos to observe through Yuri that if humanity should have free will or everything should be under the will of Gnos.

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u/DrStein1010 https://myanimelist.net/profile/mQDrStein1010 9d ago

Gnosia are basically worker drones for Gnos, allowing it to forcibly cyberize people against their will and absorb them into itself to become larger and gain more information, in addition to the people who offer themselves up to it willingly via it's cult.

I personally question the fact that none of the characters feel obligated to go blow it up, considering it's, y'know, giga evil.

I feel like Setsu and Jina would be real incentivized to kill it.

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u/liscup34 9d ago

No one can really kill the giant ball of collective conciousness.

Though as I said. The reason Gnos does this on the ship because they want to see if humanity should have free will or they should be under the great will of Gnos. The "error of the universe" Yuri shows that humanity is beautiful and free will is important, they go so far just to save Setsu and show that. Gnos even helps Yuri to get the results. It is a satisfying ending for a technical God. So it is a happy ending and humanity has free will is important which Gnos has their answer, they gonna stop here. Yuri and Setsu can stay here together and be happy in the world they stay in. The anime is great to be honest.

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u/DrStein1010 https://myanimelist.net/profile/mQDrStein1010 9d ago

Well, if that was the intention, it was poorly communicated.

It's a very good show, but it's got some notable flaws.

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u/liscup34 9d ago edited 9d ago

I mean, what part is poorly communicated. Yuriko spells out Gnos's intention and Yuri literally goes "I don't think they will do that" when Raqio asked would Gnos absorb Yuri. That is just really straightforward. It is a happy ending for Yuri and Setsu.

Everything is explained properly. I think it is overall well-done and everything is satisfying enough.

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u/DrStein1010 https://myanimelist.net/profile/mQDrStein1010 9d ago

That Gnos acknowledges the results of the experiment in the first place, let alone that it decides that humanity has value.

It helping Yuri vaguely implies that, but we know so little about it's values or thought process that that's really obtuse and hard to say for sure.

Sometimes being specific and just saying outright what's happening is better than being vague and leaving it up for interpretation. The latter isn't universally superior for storytelling.

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u/liscup34 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yuriko literally says they wants to see if humanity should have free will or be under the great will of Gnos. They want to test if humanity has value in the first place. Like we know what they want. They wouldn't play around if they don't want to know.

The fact that Gnos helps Yuri just to see the results (Yuri is their special project). It isn't vague to be honest. This is just the logical outcome. It is a happy ending.

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u/DrStein1010 https://myanimelist.net/profile/mQDrStein1010 9d ago

We get basically nothing about Jonas' past, and everything with Gnos, the Hoshibune, and Yuriko is kinda just glossed over as "we can't deal with this, it's too big", which is a little annoying.

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u/liscup34 9d ago edited 9d ago

We know enough about Jonas. He is just someone who is too stucked in the past, both literally that he goes into cold sleep for decades and he can't move on from his lover that he needs to latch onto a doll that looks like her. As Yuri said, he is just a boy at heart. It is tragic in a way.

Yuriko is a girl who is running from a cult, aside from the aura farming and mythical mysteries, she does help Yuri to reach the end because she is a normal human as well. Gnos and the Hoshibune are indeed too big for our casts (of course the giant moon of collective conciousness and their technicians are kinda big) but Gnos recognizes from Yuri that humanity's free will is important so they gonna stop here. They even help Yuri to get the results. The reason Gnos does this on the ship because they want to see if humanity should have free will or they should be under the great will of Gnos. The "error of the universe" Yuri shows that humanity is beautiful and free will is important, they go so far just to save Setsu and show that. Yuri and Setsu can stay here together and be happy in the world they stay in. The whole theme is "what is humanity" after all. It is well-written and well-done satisfyingly.