Saki finally remembers Shun's face, and it seems she is now capable of seeing him as an adult.
Interesting that he points out that the child isn't a fiend. Without the proper conditioning, the child would have no death feedback and could fight like a fiend without actually being one. Perhaps it is more like a trained attack dog.
My personal guess is that they trained it to think of the rats as humans. It doesn't get death feedback because it thinks it's killing monsters. I bet you if they get it away from the rats and speak to it in rat-speak they can convince the kid to stop killing. However, I wonder if the kid realizes he/she has been killing "humans" if he will get a delayed feedback response and die.
I agree with your theory. Remember that monk from EP4 or 5? He got feedback from burning the supercomputer that showed the image of a human, and then it got worse when he burned the foreign queerats because they looked like human shapes.
He didn't hurt any human, yet he got feedback.
This indicates that the feedback has to do with the individual's perception.
Yes, but you have to be conditioned for death feedback to work. Since the child was born in the 'wild' and raised by the rats it was never imparted with those restrictions on its cantus or mental state.
What I'm thinking is that if the child attacks one of the rats, he would get feedback. They are genetically conditioned to get feedback, but what they get feedback from changes depending on how they grew. Which is one of the reasons why it is safe to steal more human children.
But it's more likely that the conditioning is done after they are born.
It isn't a given that the feedback is purely conditioned. The way I've explained my perception of it before is that it's more like a deeply ingrained phobia, and can hamper/harm the same way a fear response can if it "malfunctions". Instead of the fear response, the feedback piggy backs on top of our guilt response. In some way, they feedback itself could be considered to be a malfunction, but one that human society deemed beneficial and therefore bred for.
Much the same way that certain things can provoke a visceral fear response even though they are not caused directly by things we fear (only things that we perceive to be similar, or things we aren't perceiving clearly), like for example, someone being scared by a shadow that resembles the shape of a predator, the humans of SSY have the feedback kick in when they perceive to have "harmed one of their own".
If the "Ogres" have been brought up by, and consider themselves to be of, the same species as the rats, then there's no reason it can't kick in if that's the way it works.
Yes, but I don't think it's the same as flesh and blood completely. My theory is that Shun is somewhere in between figment of her imagination and real flesh and blood. He's only ever spoken to her in her mind, but once she saw him not once did he speak. You would expect him to at least say something once Saki remembered his name.
The writers wrote it pretty ambigious. I think its more like star wars, when yoda and obi-wan transcend into the force and can communicate in the afterlife.
We should take note when the Koufuu Hino died, his cantus ascended into the heavens, meaning theres some kind of afterlife or spiritual world. So maybe shun is just communicating in the spiritual world since he transcended into the spiritual world like in star wars.
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u/dreamendDischarger https://myanimelist.net/profile/YuanMori Mar 09 '13
That was amazing.
Saki finally remembers Shun's face, and it seems she is now capable of seeing him as an adult.
Interesting that he points out that the child isn't a fiend. Without the proper conditioning, the child would have no death feedback and could fight like a fiend without actually being one. Perhaps it is more like a trained attack dog.