Carnist: "I'm vegan, but there are absolutely humane ways to eat meat."

[u/none_and_all]

[u/mcjuliamc]

Another "vegan" who has absolutely no idea what veganism is

[u/TheBrutalVegan → u/mcjuliamc]

Those are anti-vegans, telling animal exploiters it's ok and not change. 🙄

[u/MoltenMate07]

“There’s a right and ethical way to whip a slave y’know”

[u/none_and_all → u/MoltenMate07]

"It's okay because my slaves don't live in cramped conditions and I let them eat actual food for dinner."

[u/MoltenMate07 → u/none_and_all]

“Not all slave owners in the South were bad people! Stop saying that the act of slavery is bad regardless of the condition of the slaves!”

[u/AlwaysBannedVegan → u/MoltenMate07]

I am blind I depend on a slave to guide me around. You're abelist!

[u/none_and_all → u/MoltenMate07]

Agreed and this is coming from an anti-slavery activist. There's absolutely humane ways to own other people I just personally don't partake because I don't want to, but my North Korean friends definitely do so who am I to judge

[u/Special-Cut-4964]

Op, have you not heard of killing an animal using a very humane and ethical bolt to the back of the head?

[u/none_and_all → u/Special-Cut-4964]

Back of the head? Never. I prefer to look them in the eyes so that they can see how much I love and respect them.

[u/MerryMir99]

"I buy meat for my omnivorous animal that does not require it, who am I to judge people having the choice to not eat enslaved flesh because yum"

[u/none_and_all → u/MerryMir99]

More people need to base their diet and ethics on carrion beetles. The carnivore model is played out.

[u/astroprincet]

bet this vegan is jacking off to the carnie upvotes rn

[u/none_and_all → u/astroprincet]

What vegan? There are no vegans in that image.

[u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

Let's give a big thanks to the people at "vegan society" for making people think that you can be vegan for your health and vegan for the environment 🥰

[u/none_and_all → u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

I remember the days when I thought veganism was just a diet. Then I talked to an actual vegan and quickly learned the difference.

[u/MoltenMate07 → u/none_and_all]

I did it for the animals, but I would say that learning how veganism positively impacts the environment further solidified my place in it.

Prior to that, the only reason I was not vegan was mainly due to the fact that I perceived veganism as a health diet, and I didn’t really care that much about my life to attempt it. I would always be like, “well, I’ll do it one day, but if I don’t, I’ll just accept the fact that I’ll die earlier.”

I blame so much media for not showing me the ways in which animals suffer from dietary choices.

[u/none_and_all → u/MoltenMate07]

Agreed. I had a similar story about "health reasons". But that's just one facet of things. It's not that there are no reasons to go vegan for health or enviroment, but that they are only secondary in the movement to the animals.

[u/AlwaysBannedVegan → u/none_and_all]

It's not that there are no reasons to go vegan for health or enviroment

There aren't.

What reason do someone have for abstaining from animal tested products based on their own health?

What environmental reason do someone have to abstain from riding horses or eating leftover corpses/secretions?

What environmental / health reason is there to believe that humans ought to live without exploiting animals?

None.

[u/none_and_all → u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

Don't be obtuse. Obviously there are health and environmental benefits to not eating animals. Now those benefits may not be important within veganism because it encompasses a broader perspective on animal exploitation, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of not eating meat don't exist.

[u/AlwaysBannedVegan → u/none_and_all]

That's health and environmental benefits of eating a plantbased diet.

[u/none_and_all → u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

Yes, which is part of going vegan. Unless you're saying that it's possible to be vegan and still eat animals.

[u/AlwaysBannedVegan → u/none_and_all]

A plant-based diet ≠ veganism

P1. Vegans eat a plant-based diet.

P2. There are health/environment reasons to eat plant-based.

C: Therefore, there are health/environment reasons to go vegan

This is not logic any more than:

P1. Non-homophobic people don't punch people for their sexual orientation

P2. There are health reasons to avoid punching

C: Therefore, there are health reasons to become non-homophobic

[u/none_and_all → u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

Being vegan and eating plant-based go hand-in-hand. If you go vegan, you will eat plant-based, so you will see the benefits of that diet. This is a perfectly sound logical chain.

I think that you're getting confused about a situation in which a person commits to veganism solely because of health/environmental reasons. And I agree, committing to something like giving up makeup because it was tested on animals under the belief that you will see health benefits is a silly idea. Someone who only cares about their own health may commit to a plant-based diet but have no issues with wearing leather or riding horses. We're on the same page there.

What I'm saying is that, because going vegan entails new behaviors that benefit your health, there are health reasons for going vegan.

I really don't want to argue about this. I'm not telling people that veganism is just a diet. Your comment came under a thread of me saying the exact opposite of that. I'm sorry if you're confused by any of my wording.

[u/hexoral333 → u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

Fvck welfarism, utilitarianism and boot licking vegans. No really. I'm tired of this shit cuz it just doesn't lead to animal liberation. The very few people that get into veganism as a "diet" and later understand animals deserve our moral consideration because they're fvcking conscious beings, would've gotten there regardless.

[u/FemboyFeetKisser69 → u/AlwaysBannedVegan]

Vegansociety is a psyop at this point.

Their "definition of veganism" was the beginning of my belief in this.

[u/hexoral333]

👅🥾

[u/Bright_Cranberry_227]

Yes dog meat and farmer meat is acttually vegan and humane, you can shoot and cook every last one of them.

[u/Lcfz]

There DO exist ethical ways to eat meat. For example, if a person gives their consent for them to be eaten after they die you can humanely eat human meat 👌

[u/FemboyFeetKisser69]

I try so hard to remind myself that reddit is not a representation of humanity as a whole. But when I see threads like this exploding with absolute unchallenged bile its gets so fucking hard.

[u/none_and_all → u/FemboyFeetKisser69]

Thank you for reminding us that the behaviors of Redditors are not representative of the behaviors of all people, FemboyFeetKisser69.

[u/One-Shake-1971]

I puked a little in my mouth.

[u/TheBrutalVegan]

The only ethical way to obtain animal meat is asking these redditors if they agree to having their throats slit. If they do, that's with consent. Then comes the bbq 🥩🍖🍗🥓🤤

[u/DnastyFunkmaster]

Holy shit I saw that comment in the wild and it turned my brain into swiss cheese coming across it

[u/Swimming_Bluejay_508]

Pick me "vegans" diluting our ethical stance is rife on social media and I feel insane. I found a new "vegan" content creator who then admitted that they ate non vegan foods "when they were out and there weren't any other options and they were like really hungry you guise". Had to unfollow so many ""vegans"" because of them just boldfaced lying about being vegan lmao.