r/TheOrville • u/KayD12364 • 1d ago
Other Just finished this show
I started this show last week and just finished it last night. It consumed me. To the point I stayed up until 4am watching episodes.
And man the final couple of episodes were incredible. At first I was sad that it didn't wrap up every storyline and spent so much time on Claire and Issac's wedding but learning it was canceled after season 3 ended made me understand.
Anyway the meat of the post. The defeat/ turn of the Kaylon and how I was with the Krill until the last 2 minutes. And this shows amazing ability to avert my expectations/ feelings.
Okay so while I didn't agree with Charly's hate for Issac I totally understood her hate for the Kaylon in general.
And so when the Krill and Mocolan's got a hold of the wepaon I want the Union to be opps just a little to late to stop them. I mean the Kaylon only agreed to a truce under immediate threat. Like second they understood the weapon they would go back to what they were doing. So why not get rid of the threat.
But that is my primitive brain talking. And by the end I realized it was the smartest and most compassionate outcome.
But this took until the last 2 minutes. Because that battle had so many people die for Kaylon. Entire ship gone to protect an entity that until yesterday was an enemy.
But the Kaylon learned. Yes it took Prime seeing Charly's sacrifice. But they reevaluated. One incident and they changed. Of course they are machines and can do that. But it took me reminding myself that the Krill and Mocolan's have had numerous examples/ opportunities to learn from and end up doubling down. (Very biological thing to do but still).
Plus we got Isaac inviting all of them to his wedding which was just beautiful.
And who knows if they had a chance to study the weapon they may have been able to use it on other species. Or more likely adjust it to Union tech to do the same thing.
Anyway all this to say. I already miss this show and I don't know what to do with my self.
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u/foursevensixx 1d ago
When you consider that the 4 main powers of the show each represent a basic trait with the union being inclusion, Krill being zealotry, Moclaan being prejudice, and Kaylon being logic it kind of mirrors seths personal beliefs and Mercers early quote of "We all do better when we all do better.
The Krill and Moclaan need an "other" to rally against where the Union strives to coexist. Since the Kaylon were shown that the Unions beliefs were more than just empty words the only logical decision wa to align with them. so long as they didnt threaten others the union as it stands would never turn on them.
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u/stand_up_eight_ 1d ago
To put it rather inelegantly… I know, right?! lol.
It’s so bloody good. Thoughtfully constructed with heart, hope and humour. I’m a huge FG and AD fan, both are my comfort shows. But The Orville is properly Seth’s finest work, a real gift to TV watchers. Something, that like Star Trek, I’m grateful exists.
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u/DexterLivingston 23h ago
I honestly couldnt finish season 3, the tone change alone was unbearable as was the sudden Kalon drama with the random new character, but the episode where whats his face gets trapped in the past and they just killed that whole timeline and treated him like he was a criminal was too much for me
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u/starbase63 22h ago
Technically the Gordon that found and married Laura knew full well he was going against temporal procedure. And when everything was sorted out, “real” Gordon agreed they did the right thing.
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u/DexterLivingston 1h ago
Nah, its bullshit. The "right" thing??? You're a soulless person. His actions clearly had no effect on the timeline, and we know how time travel works in this universe already from when Kelly's past self changed the timeline. The rules Seth made prove it was a completely unnecessary conflict.
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u/starbase63 1h ago
Dude. Gordon is a Union Fleet Officer. He knows what the rules are. That version of him broke those rules. Yes it was out of feeling abandoned and lonely but he still broke the rules. He did not belong in the past. And again, like it or not, “real” Gordon thinking as a Union Officer agreed what Ed and Kelly did was what had to be done.
We know how time travel works in The Orville. It’s simple. Don’t screw with the past. Look at how one woman changing the past by turning down a second date with one guy led to galactic calamity.1
u/DexterLivingston 1h ago
Who cares that he broke the rules? And CLEARLY what he did didnt change the future in any substantive way. Kelly not going on a date with Ed had immediate changes, because that's how time travel would actually work in a non-branching timeline. And if you were trapped in the past, would you really be OK with living in a shack in the woods for the rest of your life, hiding from society and dying alone, potentially decades later??? You're soulless, and it's disgusting.
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u/starbase63 56m ago
No, not soulless, it just seems I understand how this works far better than you do. The Union would have cared that he broke the rules if Ed and Kelly hadn’t handled it themselves. And what is so hard to get that GORDON HIMSELF AGREED WITH THEM.
You’re trying to make a case for a person who didn’t exist before, should never have existed, and now no longer exists. And the “real” person understands the whole situation.1
u/DexterLivingston 54m ago
The Gordon that did NOT have a family yet agreed? No shit. If you were married and happily in love and I went back in time before you met your partner and told you that for the sake of the universe you had to never meet them, of COURSE you would agree. And again, CLEARLY nothing he did changed anything. Go the fuck away troll
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u/ElegantBiscuit Hail Avis. Hail Victory. 23h ago
The rest is definitely worth watching. I really hated Charly too, but it does get resolved in the end within a few episodes despite them dragging out the early part of her character arc for way too long. The last episodes of s3 are some of the best in the whole show.
Also agree on the Gordon episode despite it being one of my favorite episodes. I think just one simple change and a few line tweaks could have made the episode a lot more palatable - if they had received Isaac's message about getting the dysonium and as they were leaving - Gordon came to the realization on his own that they would go back again and pick him up when he first went back. It would have felt a lot less cruel. The dynamic would have shifted from rubbing Gordon's own decision in his face, lecturing about the sanctity of the timeline, and punishing him by telling him that they are going to take his family away and there is nothing he can do about it, to more of a decision that became logistically possible. That it was something they had to do, instead of a punishment to administer.
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u/KayD12364 22h ago
Yeah a line change may have helped. And honestly while it was a gut punch to watch. Thinking it over. What Gordon did was actually very creepy. He stalked a woman through time. If he had told her when they met it may be a little different but he didnt tell her until Ed and Kelly came and he was forced too.
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u/Lazy-Lobster7534 1d ago
Parait t'il que le scénario de la saison 4 est déjà écrit, reste tout à prévoir à quand pouvoir le faire ?
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u/Kichigai 23h ago
I mean the Kaylon only agreed to a truce under immediate threat. Like second they understood the weapon they would go back to what they were doing. So why not get rid of the threat.
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And who knows if they had a chance to study the weapon they may have been able to use it on other species.
Because unlike the Federation the Union doesn't commit genocide.
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u/KayD12364 22h ago
No I know. Yes genocide is wrong. And it would have proven the Kaylon right. And the Union was able to show them they were wrong about biological life.
And that is what I love about the episode. Is it made me realize my own primative thinking. The whole season I was like why can't the Kaylon see all biological life is different and the Union isn't your creators. And then they did that but my brain went no destroy them before correct itself.
If that makes sense.
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u/Due-Bass-3203 14h ago
Here to say I worked on season 3 and I’m so glad you enjoyed it! It’s one of my proudest projects I got to work on. Don’t lose hope, I’m likely jumping onto season 4 but these beautiful things take time. 😅
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u/starbase63 49m ago
Which department were you in? I’m acquainted with a number of people from the staff.
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u/Licensed-CSW0322 13h ago
Just finished the series right now. I’m so sad. Unlike other shows where they’ve been cancelled, this still has a possibility and I’m so frustrated that it didn’t get to continue right away. I’m surprised I like this show tho. Kept seeing clips and finally took the time and am so glad I did. Didn’t think I would enjoy it this much. I like Seth McFarland and am indifferent about most of his work but this show actually made me laugh and cry. So many emotions. Can’t wait. Holding out hope.
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u/KayD12364 5h ago
Right. I knew I was going to laugh. But I was shocked at the number of times I cried.
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u/Ralph--Hinkley Now entering gloryhole 19h ago
Watch it again.
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u/KayD12364 18h ago
Yes. That is what I will have to do.
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u/Ralph--Hinkley Now entering gloryhole 18h ago
I've seen it about ten times through by now. On Twice in a Lifetime now.
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u/starbase63 1d ago
Some good news, The Orville is not and never was cancelled. Plans have been in motion for S4 and when Seth has the time to devote to it, Hulu is already committed and waiting for him to say “let’s do it.”