r/SMRTRabak CCL 3d ago

PSA Circle Line to show clockwise, anticlockwise directions when full loop completed in July

https://cna.asia/49sk47O
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u/autonomous-intel 3d ago

Would prefer the circular lines to spin in the direction and have the station names be a static overlay on top of it.

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u/repeatrep 3d ago

they need to move the arrows out of the circle and just have two big ones on the side. some ppl cant read english and the arrows are really small on the diagram

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

software does not support animated videos

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u/autonomous-intel 3d ago

How can it be. Can play ads but cannot play animated vids 😂

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

idk either, I asked the LTA staff during the signage feedback that time and they said cannot support

it's the same logic as "we can't program yellow LEDs on the train map display, but somehow it can when it glitches out"

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u/CaptainBroady 3d ago

I think they're just lazy lah, walao 2026 already cannot do meh? Or maybe they have to change the hardware/software just to support that

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

backend must upgrade (which they already did iirc)

frontend must change to a newer software, which costs money and may not be readily available, let alone compatible

change already must do a whole bunch of reconfig, in the process end up having disabled screens or screens with misinformation, which as we all know will result in a few hundred complaints from this subreddit alone

also need to pay staff to do smth that at the end of the day is purely cosmetic, and would be more efficient to just ask the current designers to go create a new icon to represent CW ACW

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u/Inzaghyi 3d ago

Pretty sure smrt is still running windows xp or 98 so yea this.

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u/Agile-Set-2648 3d ago

It’s the AI era, just vibe code something

That’s what bosses expect from wage slaves anyway

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 2d ago

you cant vibe code something built on ancient 90s tech

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u/Agile-Set-2648 2d ago

“Just ask AI how to work around it”

  • boss

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u/Dry-Cockroach1723 3d ago

The Yamanote of Singapore, they may also want to add a XXX Direction(roughly 90 degree apart station)

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u/Candid-String-6530 3d ago

If circle line is the yamanote, then the OG north south line is the Musashino Line. Big circle. I think LTA experimented with running the red line directly onto the green line at JE Station, so passengers don't need to change trains during peak hour. I wonder why they discontinued that.

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u/Dry-Cockroach1723 3d ago

Yeah, I wish so as well, there's a strong trend of NSL-->EWL in-town

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u/repeatrep 3d ago

11 car rolling stock vs 3

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u/[deleted] 3d ago edited 3d ago

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u/sagi271190 3d ago

Shouldn't "loop" mean non-stop?

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u/Xeodes 3d ago

It sounds counterintuitive in my opinion. Just write the ending station if it ends at one.

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u/envruh 3d ago

op i believe you have it the wrong way around services with the loop designation will continue circling the network

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u/envruh 3d ago

whereas services without the loop designation will terminate at prince edward road or dhoby ghaut

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u/Xeodes 3d ago

Ah thanks for the update! This makes more sense!

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u/ogamat 3d ago edited 3d ago

Sorry for the confusion 😂

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

Affected stations have all physical signs, route maps, information screens, and arrival announcements have been changed to reflect the CCL6 new format.

Currently only available at Esplanade, Promenade, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista.


For more information: https://www.lta.gov.sg/cclwayfinding/education

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u/ShoujikiTime 3d ago

So basically they’re copying the Yamamoto Line method from Japan?

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

Yamanote line uses Inner loop & Outer loop in Japanese only, which is the main standard for said language.

For English, they use "bound for <next major station> and <subsequent major station>". Major stations are typically large hubs along the line, i.e. Tokyo, Shibuya, Shinjuku.


For our CCL, we use "via <next interchange station>" on all physical signs, as well as "Clockwise/Anticlockwise" on digital signs.

Additionally, our loop line has a 'non-detachable' branch line to Dhoby Ghaut integrated together with the mainline loop. This is different from Seoul Line 2's two 'detached' branches, as well as the Yamanote Line which do not have branches.

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u/Inzaghyi 3d ago

Nothing wrong. City planners take inspiration from others all the time. But, the naming is decided after reviewing a focus group and some user feedback that some other redditor is proudly claiming credit for

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u/Swimming-Doctor-1625 2d ago

One question lta hasnt answered: what would the proportion of loop to non loop services be. And heres something tldr they never said: you can take either loop or non loop for most journeys, except if youre alighting at/passing through marina bay and bayfront, or getting to/from dhoby ghaut, bras basah or esplanade which are only served by non loop services.

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 2h ago

During peak hours, trains will run:

  • on the loop
  • Prince Edward Road <> Dhoby Ghaut, via Buona Vista, Bishan, Paya Lebar

During off peak hours, trains will run:

  • on the loop
  • Stadium <> Dhoby Ghaut, just like currently (to be confirmed)

The ratio of each type of train arriving will be 1:1, i.e. alternating between each type.

LTA has not mentioned where trains to Dhoby Ghaut will start from and how they will run because the operating patterns has not been confirmed, and hence to prevent confusion due to conflicting information in the future if there are any changes.

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u/elanthemelon93 3d ago

Suggest the platform screen to show the current time in analogue clock if boarding the train from the Clockwise direction, and just show the anti-clockwise arrow only at the Anti-Clockwise direction

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u/PreferenceNice2336 NSL 3d ago

I would be prefer they put inner circle and outer circle like Korea, China, London etc. 

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u/Ok-Barber4972 2d ago

This one really knnbpcb

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u/_h_e_r_m_i_t_ 2d ago

Why not simplify it? Just say, ‘Next Stn : XYZ (loop)’ Everyone understands it will go in a loop and in which direction.

For the non-loop section, ‘Next Stn : ABC (ends Doby Ghaut)’

Easy enough to understand. No need to complicate with clockwise and anti-clockwise. Wait people will ask why not counter-clockwise?

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 2d ago

a while back i did feedback to them to consider this but oh well

Guangzhou Metro line 11 uses Inner/Outer Circle as well as via next station

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u/Bitter-Pepper6846 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why don't they use the same graphic for both directions (rather than a flipped one in one direction) for platform screen door diagrams? I live in Guangzhou and frequently take the metro Line 11, where it draws the same route map for both outer-loop (anti-clockwise) and inner-loop (clockwise) directions, with Chisha station positioned at the top-right and Longtan station positioned at the bottom-right (the two depot-connecting stations where trains will go out of service there, fairly easy to remember for passengers). There is also a tiny arrow next to the current station (in red text on the map) telling you the correct direction of reading the map, which is separate from the big arrow above the sliding doors telling you on which side the train will leave the platform.

IMO drawing the diagram with the correct CW / ACW depiction has higher priority than keeping it consistent with the direction the train enters and departs the platform. For example if you are at Fangcun (in the west) and heading to Pazhou (in the southeast) then you will take the anti-clockwise (outer loop) train. Then when looking at the map you first read on the bottom row to the right, and then on top row to the left. It would otherwise be more confusing if the outer loop map is flipped so that passengers traveling anti-clockwise would then find that the map is clockwise which is contrary to the actual direction they are heading.

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 2h ago

flipping the maps for ACW direction to the correct orientation is currently in discussion, apparently there's a debate going on in higher management about this

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u/Fenrispro 2h ago

Shit then gonna be more complex

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u/Dry-Cockroach1723 3d ago

Will they ever separate the Branch out completely like the EWL? Feels it's very operaitonally werid to have an integrated branch.

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

not possible to separate

Promenade does not have track switches for trains to change direction there. The closest station where this can be done is Stadium, hence why there's a lot of DNB trains there.

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u/spacenglish 3d ago

Keeping aside whether it would make sense, Technically the Dhoby Promenade Stadium can operate as part of another “line” but sharing the same Promenade-Stadium stations and platforms as the loop, right?

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u/Dry-Cockroach1723 3d ago

The problem is congestion; the trains need to be time separted by an amount, having branches makes optimisation more challenging.

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u/G13lol2 DTL 3d ago edited 3d ago

Unless there's a separate platform for the branch line, the frequency of the main line is still going to be affected. If you end the service at Stadium, you'll need another train to serve the rest of the line to keep up with the 2 min frequency, and you end up having 3 different services instead of 2.

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u/Specific_Company8945 3d ago

it is possible you just need to spend another hundred million dollars to redo the whole track and station layout

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u/jooferjupiter CCL 3d ago

in the process affect millions of commuters and have operations worse than what we had at Paya Lebar at the start of the year

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u/Specific_Company8945 3d ago

yes nothing is impossible is just whether the cost is worth or not