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New CW/ACW naming in use at Paya Lebar & Buona Vista
All physical signs, route maps, information screens, and arrival announcements have been changed to reflect the CCL6 new format. Currently only available at Esplanade, Promenade, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista.
This is useful assuming I know where my current station sits in the circle.
But most of the time I don't know, I just care about my destination/interchange station I want to go to.
I feel it would be more useful if they show the next interchange station.
Well SMRT has demonstrated numerous times, e.g. with their STARIS 2 that they are experts at ensuring commuters will be confused. I have 100% confidence that SMRT will deliver again with shit UI to confuse everyone again.
Dude, if normal people find this confusing, dyslexic people are going to be equally confused. It might be the least confusing option for them, but it's still not good enough.
In the end everyone will be confused together, dyslexic or not.
LTA delivers again. It's pretty amazing at this point how good they are at coming up with bad ideas. Below are some examples of past failures:
-3 door buses with "reserve seats" that are too high even for healthy people to climb into and with 3rd door that just reduces number of seats without speeding up alighting
-NSL trains with seats that can be put up but are always down 99.9% of the time
-NEL trains with no seats which hold fewer people cus people just spread themselves out more and there is no incentive to move in (seats were the reason people moved inside train cars)
-STARIS 2
This is my major gripe right now that the PSDs don't preserve the CW ACW directions in favour of aligning with the direction of the train. Are people even checking for the direction of the train? Lol. Other than SPLRT I don't think we regularly see trains in different directions at the same platform
Well I mean, we could always try referencing the Yamanote Line. (not glazing but they do generally do well in wayfinding)
Given most Singaporeans are well adjusted to looking at station names on display screens to identify the direction of travel, perhaps further leaning into this with a heavier emphasis on the upcoming major interchanges would aid in navigation?
We could even go further then JR had done by colour coding the two loops to make them easier to differentiate, albeit how that would be reflected on the system map is another can of worms.
(this would also reduce the problem another redditor brought up about screens being too cluttered with animations)
I would agree with this. I legitimately never had any issue travelling on the right direction of the yamanote line even during peak hours as a tourist. I've never had to stand there and think clockwise or anticlockwise. I just see the sign with the station I want to go then I take the train of that direction
On a straight line people figure the direction where they want to travel based on the terminus, but there is no reason for the train station mentioned to be the terminus. If you stand at city Hall and say this train is to bouna vista, Jurong east and boon lay, you would know the train is heading westward. If I say the train is heading to paya lebar, bedok and tanah merah, you would know it's heading east. But only on the train you simply mention what is the terminus so people know what is the last station.
I think the people who designed the way finding for trains have never actually step back to think how people use way finding. Just because something is 'clear' doesn't mean it is useful.
I would rather know which train on the circle line is heading towards which interchange. They could simply say 'heading towards bouna vista, botanic gardens and bishan or towards promenade, paylebar and Serangoon. That was if I'm heading to tai seng from bay front, I would know the closest station is either paya lebar or Serangoon so I head in thay direction.
One question to ask yourself is whether the average Joe can even identify which direction is the inner loop and which is the outer loop. “Inner” and “outer” can be somewhat subjective depending on where the person is standing, whereas CW and ACW are fixed directions. The train is either travelling clockwise or anti-clockwise. There is no ambiguity in that. Anyways, this was chosen based on public consultation last year.
Clockwise and Anti-clockwise will be a very consistent term to communicate but the average Joe would prefer simple visual info over terminologies I feel. Maybe adding on top colors to denote CW and ACW will help further reduce the confusion
Many ways tbh, first, I would utilised the whole display space. It’s doesn’t have to be like a circle, a circular rectangular map works.
Second, I would including the station you’re currently in, and the one before and after, with animation of train movement and direction, 1. Shows the train arriving or have left the station and 2. The direction. The map should also include the hub stations and ending with a final station.
Sry but this looks like my FYP from a decade ago using PowerPoint…
They already include the hub stations on this map, and I already find it quite cluttered. Plus, this is a zoomed-in view of the screen. Imagine trying to read it while standing further away.
I also believe there are constraints when it comes to improving the design and aesthetics, considering the system is still running on Windows XP from 2 decades ago. There is probably only so much that can be done without a more substantial upgrade to the underlying software. Well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I agree, can they not just use the very next station?
My only guess is that is is costly since it requires differences at every station but with LED / digital screens this should not be an issue? And it is a one time change for all stations.
Probably, they’ll need a system to run it and track train location etc but since this is an automated line, they should have the data. Again just something that can be worked on.
The thing about this is that though young kids are probably taught how to read a clock with hands in primary school, but they are more tuned to digital numeric clocks nowadays, wonder if they will be familiar with clockwise and anticlockwise terminology.
(Before anyone comes at me, it's more of a question than saying they wouldn't know how to interpret)
Affected stations have all physical signs, route maps, information screens, and arrival announcements have been changed to reflect the CCL6 new format.
Currently only available at Esplanade, Promenade, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista.
you mean like the yamanote line.
i think the format is pointing at major towns in stated direction.
the signs at most non-transfer/interchange stations is static
their timing LCD board is mainly Text with the icon for the train service before the train timing.
that's on the train.
opposite direction at tokyo station will read
"bound for Ueno and Ikebukuro"
Edit: if singapore follows same format (mainly interchanges) ,
ACW at paya lebar should read/announce "bound for Macpherson Serangoon, Bishan."
If you used the circle line all the time, you probably memorized the lines by heart, so you won't even need to rely on this. But I can imagine this will absolutely confuse tourists or people who don't travel the circle line much
Dude...no one cares about clockwise or anticlockwise, the loop is implicitly understood, just show few prominent stations with highest crowd alighting/boarding and a big "ends at/for station x" is good enough.
Why? I feel this is meaningless. The current one showing the end station is more useful, because i can check the map easily. This feels like they are just forcing the circular narrative 🙄
Confirm suggested by someone who doesnt even take the mrt
There's no terminating station, and even if there is how would you know which direction the train is running at? Better to emphasise the direction, and if it's confusing you can still refer to the map like someone already would be doing anyways. Also, it's CCL; CRL is Cross Island Line
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u/burntoutdev8291 3d ago
oh god i hope it won't be like LRT