r/SMRTRabak • u/Street-Expert3501 • 4d ago
kpkb Lady boss claimed to have sacked many of her Gen Z employees.
So this lady boss said that she had to sack a number of Gen Z employees from her office because they are lazy and show no responsibility in their work. She even claims that she had to lie to them when sacking them to prevent the Gen Zs from talking shit online about the company.
Wah, clearly something is wrong with this lady boss, why she wants to admit that she had to lie when sacking the Gen Z employees? Now she better take action against TNP, else soon, someone will CSI her and her company and make things even more ugly for her.
What do you guys think?
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u/max_wen 4d ago
She also said
“Of course, there are so many wonderful Gen Zs and these are the ones who are still working with us,”
Nothing really to see here. Move along.
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u/onionwba 4d ago
"I am not a racists because I have Indian/Malay friends" vibes.
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u/ImpressiveStrike4196 4d ago edited 4d ago
That is why I prefer to work in MNCs rather than local companies. No systems, no procedures and still have to see the mood of whoever that has the skills to pull strings. Can chin chye fire people one. Other places fire people must go through procedure one. If manager fire too many people, manager will get questioned instead. Why so many people leave? Is it your leadership got problem? Or your hiring judgement got problem?
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u/Glittering_String276 4d ago
If those are accurate, I also really can't condone ppl working their side hustle during office hours. If its a few mins occasionally fine, but I doubt it is.
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u/tallandfree 4d ago
I’m all for firing incompetent ppl. Many companies keep incompetent and lazy ppl for too long and it afffecrs the morale of the good people
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u/Fenrispro 4d ago
Not just the Zs, ive been in some Smes the boomers also just passed time nev work hard. But kept around
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u/SalamanderLost5975 4d ago
She recounted instances of younger employees arriving an hour late to work and being unable to finish their tasks, yet demanding permission to work on personal projects during office hours.
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u/manix1984 4d ago
She is right.
The company does not owe you anything and vice versa. You sign a contract, you need to deliver and maintain standards. If you are unable to, then you are an incompetent worker. If the company standards is too high for you, find other employment. If coming to work on time is already too difficult, perhaps employment is too hard. Unless you are Bill Gates or Elon Musk with exceptional skill sets or brains.
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u/Street-Expert3501 4d ago
To be fair, I feel the company’s management style is quite questionable, seems like the boss didn’t make things clear and when something isn’t too right start surfacing, they reacted this way.
Ya, and she’s just unlucky to meet Gen Z’s that are like that in her office. I know some managers (locals and foreigners) behaviour is far worse. They think they are managers means they can do anything they want.
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u/manix1984 4d ago
I dunno what type of company is this, but if her feedback and criticism is unfair or discriminatory, the staff could have reported it outside her chain of leadership. I have met my fair share of employees who think the company owes them an employment and a living wage.
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u/InvestigatorDear6646 4d ago
Cant tell if you’re for or against her here. Are you trying to defend her actions by saying the employees could have lawfully retaliated because they are owed, lemme check, fair and indiscriminate treatment?
That justifies her lying while firing them?
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u/manix1984 2d ago
If the employees felt that they were being treated unfairly or fired without acceptable reasons, they could always raise a complaint to MOM and TAFEP. That being said, I doubt she would not have collected receipts or records of them underperforming or other reasons to justify their termination. Look, Im not saying all employers are good and all employees are bad. All im saying both parties must live up to the deal which is when the employees signs up to the company to work. Unfortunately, I myself have seen employees who are incompetent and try to skirt their incompetence by claiming “toxic” environment and other new age terms they could think off - as if the world owes them a living and a wage like its their birthright.
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u/InvestigatorDear6646 2d ago
Yea, because you should raise the complain when unjustly fired. And yea, you should collect the evidence for firing someone.
Exactly what holding up your end of the deal is as an employer means.
If she cant prove it, it never happened. This is some pathetic pussyfooted justification.
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u/strangetidings 4d ago
Think it warrants more investigation rather than pitchforking no?
She could be a poor manager but also there are wayyyy too many lazy tofu entitled Gen Zs around
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u/InvestigatorDear6646 4d ago
If it was an employee issue, she wouldnt have to lie to them though. Just saying there are many entitled gen z doesnt excuse her not having a valid reason for firing them. The fact she doesnt shows they werent a problem.
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u/kneadedbwead 4d ago
gen z aside, us employees get lied to all the time. HR is pretty much always lying to us. to be completely fair, if i get fired from my job, i dont really bother to question isit company no money or my performance was bad. i ownself also will know. the manager in the article just want to avoid confrontation.
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u/InvestigatorDear6646 4d ago
Then you’re a pussy. Its people like you who give companies all that power, then complain when they exercise it.
Know your rights, fight for your rights, or lose them.
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u/kneadedbwead 4d ago
i know my rights, but i also know how to take accountability. if i know im good at what i do and i get fired, the company fuck up, and i will fight for it. but for the record i have never been laid off or fired.
if i ownself know i come in late to work everyday, 1 hour late, go home early, take 2 hour lunch break, never get my work done, and i get fired, then i know to stfu and accept getting fired.
big difference between knowing how to take accountability for your own actions/inactions vs being a pussy. don't need to get defensive, im just saying that ppl need to ownself know ownself before talk loudly and complain about unfair treatment.
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u/InvestigatorDear6646 4d ago
Well thats the problem here right. Its not about those. You think that if their performance was the issue, she would have to lie? Cmon how naive are you. She cant tell them shes letting them go for performance, because they will lie about it and affect team morale?
Idt team morale’s affected if you fire someone thats really as bad as she says. Everything you list is a trait that anyone would hate to see in a coworker lmao.
“For the record ive never been fired”. Lol. It doesnt matter. Calling me defensive when you gotta start with that.
Just calling it as it is, if you believe a boss that says she cant tell someone they are being fired for performance, thats on you.
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u/kneadedbwead 4d ago
im not saying its right to lie, if you read it properly, im saying that people lie about why they fire others because ot avoids confrontation. i dont think its a good thing, and of course ppl should be honest about such things, but thats how a lot of HR are.
the reason u were laid off, u ownself know ownself. even HR tell or dont tell u, u ownself have ur own answer. thats what i'm trying to say. its wrong to lie but people lie anyway to avoid confronting the truth.
like i said, you're being defensive for no reason. i was just adding to your point, i wasnt disagreeing with your point lol. please read carefully next time.
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u/InvestigatorDear6646 4d ago
You still dont get it. She herself said that its to protect team morale. Because if she doesnt lie, the rest of the team is affected. She was avoiding confrontation by not criticising them. This is different.
Cmon. Think about this for a minute. If your coworker got fired, what will affect morale negatively. Them being fired because the company has not enough money, or because they were shit at their job? If they really fired for the latter, you will be happy no? There isnt a need to cover it up?
This isnt about me being fired. This is about her claiming she fired her employees because of performance, and using it to speak on a generation.
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u/kneadedbwead 4d ago
her saying its to protect team morale is bullshit, we both know that.
we also both agree that its wrong for her to use this as an excuse when firing someone. fire someone then just honestly tell them where they were wrong right? we both agree on that. but the reality is that people dont do it because they are scared to call someone shit to their face, thats why they pussy out and write it on tiktok like this woman.
of course there is no need to cover it up, her excuse is bad, but im saying that they do it because they are scared of confrontation. i dont condone it, i think its stupid as fuck, but just added a reason as to why they did it.
we agree on a lot of points man, no need to call me a pussy. the real pussy is this 35 yo manager who cant tell her gen z worker why she fired them.
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u/burntoutdev8291 4d ago
If what she's saying is true, no red flag here. I support her. Yes I'm also all for fighting for WLB, but not to the extent of doing side hustles during office hours when you cannot complete your tasks.
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u/Full_Credit7484 3d ago
I’m a Gen Z manager (older half of gen) and managing many Gen Z interns (younger half). They’re all driven and hardworking but I still receive questions like: “do I really need to come in at 9am? Must I really leave at 6pm? Can I really not wear slippers/slides to office? even with socks?”
😅😅😅 I can’t believe they’re trying to negotiate work hours with me and thought they were joking, but they were serious. Like if I’m coming in on time and leaving on time everyday in work appropriate attire, you can too….
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u/NvmLiao 2d ago
My company working hours are 9-6, can come in by 10 and leave at 5. But many people are still late and come in at 10.30 even though they leave on the dot at 5.
Seems to me that whatever benefits you provide, people would want to push for a little bit more.
Edit: employees can wear anything they like
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u/gagawithoutLady 3d ago
But why not shorts in this hot weather, socks with Birkenstock/crocs should be allowed as well. Unless the role is client facing, we should always be flexible
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u/Full_Credit7484 1d ago
Agreed, We allow them to wear comfortably on production days but the interns sit in a glass box office and for some reason our clients love to pop by for impromptu visits😂
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u/donutnotsweet 3d ago edited 3d ago
Doesnt matter Gen Z X Y Z, as long they are lazy and show no responsibility in their work, late 1 hr etc, its alright to let them go.
Bear in mind - the company is paying for the work to be done, they have to deliver, its that simple actually.
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u/Akusd5 4d ago
Every company you work for will have problems. However for her to lie to Gen Z just to get them off is breach already. She could have documented all these things and have a word with them regarding their behaviour but no - she’s decided to play dirty as well.
Hopefully she gets cancelled lol.
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u/Street-Expert3501 4d ago
That’s my point, if she’s gonna escape from reality, these Gen Zs won’t learn anything from it. It’s like when we serve our national service, if you are late for your book in, prepare to sign extra or weekend confinement.
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u/FreedomFighterSG 4d ago
It's true tho. Gen z is so damn woke it's simply not worth any confrontation.
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u/Optimal-Student-6597 4d ago
In some cases its true. Some GenZ are really entitled and coddled as hell, reality hits different. I think the managers have the right to fire whoever doesnt suit the company culture.
Noone owes the GenZ a living.
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u/norbertthotslayer 4d ago
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u/temporary_name1 4d ago
Don't reduce a meaningful point to an absurd extreme :|
It really sucks to have terrible colleagues... Doesn't matter GenZ or A/B/C/X/Y... You wish your boss fire them faster.
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u/norbertthotslayer 4d ago
Then don’t generalize the whole generation. I’m a millennial btw. I know what it’s like living on the streets because I was homeless before
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u/temporary_name1 4d ago
The post you were replying to didn't...
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u/norbertthotslayer 4d ago
Take a note at the end of what the first post said
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u/temporary_name1 4d ago
Noone owes GenZ a living
? This?
You can replace with gen whatever and it is still correct. How is this an unfair generalisation?
Does anyone owe GenZ a living?
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u/norbertthotslayer 4d ago
Yeah then say it that No one owes anyone a living? Why Gen Z lol. Does my grandmother who’s 80 who never worked a serious day in her life got fired from 3 jobs but married into my single breadwinner granddad deserve a living too? Y’all like to gatekeep generations like it’s a huge problem lol
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u/kitsuneconundrum 4d ago
shes only 35, why is she blame boomer posting like a loser. you cant take responsibility yet you want all the glory smh
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u/Street-Expert3501 4d ago
Seems like a worldwide trend, even on Tik Tok, that many of Gen Zs were sacked shortly after landing in their job.
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u/josemartinlopez 3d ago
Even getting hiring 50% right is already amazing, but no one brags about firing people regardless of performance.
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u/Loose-Cry3100 3d ago
I have gen z employees, mostly really lazy and have mo responsibility. Of course there are good ones as well. But mostly really disappointing
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u/Regor_Wolf 2d ago
gen z workers mostly grew up with electronic devices and accustomed to sleeping late.
So maybe companies who want to use gen z need to start later n end later.
This solves the lateness problem.
I tried, yes it works BUT the cannot tahan the rigor n pressure of my nature of work n they quit within 6mths
This is another area that I observed
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u/mageboy11 1d ago
Read the article and i do believe her reasons are justified. She also didnt generalise gen z as she said she still has many who are employed. But those in her article really sound like bad employees lol
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u/NoobSkierSG 2h ago
Maybe the problem is that she is a crappy manager who can't engage with the younger generation and refuses to change her mgmt "style"!
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u/Hot-Job-6281 4d ago
Why SG boomers still call nasty people Ladies lol.
We don't call every man gentleman but with woman is lady this and that. So antiquated and gendered lol.
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u/byrinmilamber 4d ago
I read the article and all i can say is millenials make lousy soft managers and now complaining the next generation buay zi tong and hard to manage. The rot starts with the generation born in the late 80s and early 90s. Fking OG strawberries.
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u/2dy_fish 4d ago
1 hour late everytime is abit too much tho.