r/NarutoFanfiction • u/cujo1255 • 1d ago
Fic Request Naruto getting around his chakra control issues by using bigger techniques
What I'm specifically talking about is fics where Naruto learns a technique that usually is impossible/very difficult with poor control by simply using or making a version that is more chakra intensive.
The most obvious example is the shadow clone jutsu, he can't use a normal clone due to his problem with control, so instead he just uses the most chakra intensive version of the clone jutsu.
I was just wondering if there are any fics that take this concept and run with it to make Naruto a genjutsu specialist that uses a genjutsu that is less about tricking the senses and more about forcefully pulling someone into a world he controls.
Or a healer that instead of using very delicate chakra just heals the entire body in one go or something.
Hell it doesn't even necessarily need to be a chakra control jutsu, why learn a bunch of d rank/c rank jutsu, when Naruto could instead focus on just learning more s rank ones that he really shouldn't have access to.
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u/mangasdeouf 1d ago
Jiraiya: "Hmm... This boy has chakra control issues but has more chakra than most kage... Let's teach him summoning techniques !"
Naruto fails.
Jiraiya: "Let's force him to use even more chakra! Kid, use the demon's chakra! You can't? Look! There's something down that canyon!"
Jiraiya kicks Naruto who uses Kyûbi's chakra to summon Gamabunta at 12 with shit tier control.
Jiraiya, the next time he trains Naruto: "So, your chakra control is so shit that you can't summon anything between a tadpole and a boss summon! Let's teach you one of the hardest chakra control reliant techniques around!"
Naruto cheats the rasengan with shadow clones and doesn't even use his clones' memory transfer feature to perfect the technique in 3 years. Jiraiya décides to teach Naruto how to be a perfect genin with jônin stats.
Meanwhile, Smarto Sensei: "So, your chakra control sucks, huh? Well, let's do two things. You clones will work on chakra control exercises, you will work on a big technique that requires power over control. Futon, great breakthrough !"
Naruto's clones perfect walking on running water, on a waterfall (upwards obviously), sliding on any surface like a rollerskater, walking, running and gliding on air, then shape manipulation becomes piss easy and nature transformation follows.
Naruto learns futon great breakthrough, then he learns smaller stuff and bigger stuff alternating to make him more effective, increase his output and refine his technique. Then he learns other elements in order of affinity.
In 6 months, Naruto has learned 3 elements, can perform techniques from C to A rank in each and had mastered wind and can create his own techniques or fight with raw wind chakra. His refinement is good enough that he could speedrun the rasengan learning process in one week at most, then create the rasenshuriken in another week with far less clones than he needed in P2. Now he has actual wind techniques+ 2 other elements and rasenshuriken.
Now he gets sent to Mt. Myoboku and learns sage mode twice as fast as in canon.
He's 7 months into his training and he's already on par with Kakuzu.
He goes to the chûnin exams, stomps the competition and is promoted to chûnin because he can take higher ranked mission without special authorization from Tsunade.
Now that he's a chûnin with Kakuzu level power and rasenshuriken (that he can throw because his chakra control is better than that of his mentors and he's a sage), he goes on missions where he has to listen to orders, use tactics (not frontal combat missions) and track/spy without being detected.
We're 19 months past the point when he was first taught by Smarto Sensei, Naruto is now ready to be promoted to jônin. His mastery of his skillset makes him a mid kage fighter and his professionalism is good enough to lead A rank missions and be led by people like Kakashi on S rank missions. We're about 1 year before P2 canonically starts.
Gaara is kidnapped, Naruto stomps Deidara and Sasori with sage mode before they kill his friend and Chiyo doesn't need to sacrifice herself. He inspires Suna, builds a bridge of understanding and mutual trust. One village now backs him for Hokage.
Orochimaru gets humbled, Naruto doesn't lose his shit at the mere mention of Sasuke, who gets shackled and brought back manu militari to Konoha. Konoha recognizes his power and his aura now that he's stopped their worst missing ninja bar Itachi.
Kakuzu and Hidan are sent as decoys while Itachi and Kisame are the real threats. Kakuzu and Hidan make a fuss to draw all the jônin in Konoha, Itachi frees Sasuke, Kisame goes for Naruto and gets turned into stone. Sasuke and Itachi duke it out with a less than top shape Sasuke. Naruto goes to help the jônin. Kakuzu and Hidan are also beaten with ease (Hidan was likely already split in multiple parts more than once and Kakuzu too busy to Sew him back). Itachi seals Orochimaru's mark and dies to fulfill his wish. Obito kidnaps Sasuke.
Short of all their good members (Kabuto was instakilled by Naruto on Tenchi bridge), Akatsuki decide to send the big guns once they've collected 8. Sasuke gets saved from B by Zetsu and Obito, is sent on Danzo while Pain and Konan fight the rest of Konoha (Inoichi, Shikaku and Chôza died fighting Kakuzu in the first wave).
Pain vs Naruto and Jiraiya, Tsunade and Sakura vs Konan, Sasuke vs Danzo. Kumo coming to Konoha's door.
Konoha triumphs (a more experimented and competent Naruto backed by Jiraiya stomps), Danzo dies, Konan changes her mind (Tsunade and Sakura can't hurt her at all) and tells them about "Madara, that asshole I have found a way to kill". They set up a trap for Obitcho.
Sasuke is teleported out by Obito, it becomes a 2 v all.
Kumo and Konoha have a talk, start a Kage Summit, Naruto is sent as Tsunade's bodyguard.
Obito sends Sasuke after Tsunade, Sasuke doesn't give a shit and leaves. Obitcho and Zetsu get murdered and everyone is happy.
Naruto becomes Hokage a few months later and starts reforming Konoha and pushing other villages into changing for a better world. The Hyûga clan stops slavery.
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u/fluffy_harriet Naruto is a sunshine midget🌻 Part 1 enthusiast (supremacist) 1d ago
I understand Shippuden isn't the best story, and don't get me wrong, I don't even like Shippuden, but I never understood why there's so many people fixated on stories about resolving problems as fast as possible with little to no friction.
Specially in a series that started its fanbase because of how interesting it was to see the characters get out of almost impossible situations (Wave mission, forest of death, chunin invasion/fight against Gaara)
Is it part of power fantasies to just solve everything easily?
Also, "Obitcho" will be added to my "Shitpuden" collection.
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u/mangasdeouf 1d ago
Thanks for validating my new nickname for Obitcho. He deserves it.
Power fantasy, will to have competent trainers rather than posers who take all the credit for someone else's work (Kakashi and Jiraiya took most of the credit, Fukasaku did most of the work). Naruto was written as progressing fast in what he gives a shit about, gatekeeping his progress to on-panel training arcs just slows the story to a crawl and makes his forcefully weaker than he would be if the story, characters and world were consistent.
Also p1 and 2 were way too focused on having major event after major event.
Now if you haven't, watch Avatar the Last Airbender. There are some filler episodes (in s1 and 3), but most of the episodes add something to the story, give the characters a lesson, an opportunity to grow. Aang is a top Bender from ep. 1, yet he still has to learn things in order to complete his journey, win the war and try not to kill anyone (except when he's possessed, there the spirits literally go on a rampage against Fire Nation nazis). Also the show has a ton of worldbuilding that the journey is used to convey in a natural way rather than mechanically through info dumps the Naruto/Bleach way.
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u/fluffy_harriet Naruto is a sunshine midget🌻 Part 1 enthusiast (supremacist) 22h ago
I don't like Obitcho either.
Just training it's boring, that's why one ought to make it interesting.
19 months of just Naruto reading/training and stomping any opposition everytime he gets into a fight inbetween is boring. Learning through shadow clone jutsu it's a double edge sword too (I would say it's also a sword without handle)
Naruto being a fast learner it's also why the series it's so rushed, the shadow clone training made this worse.
So Naruto learns fast > now the villains need to be buffed > villains so buffed Naruto can't fight them > Naruto learns fast > repeat, repeat, repeat.
If you stay in Part 1's levels of power, Naruto's progression doesn't need to be so fast.
Oh, I saw Avatar and something I really liked about it, it's that even though Aang's power is OP in his world and unique enough that only he has it, having it it's only half of the pie. He needs to learn each element with their pros and cons and each ones takes a whole arc. Even then, many times he's still not powerful enough to defeat the enemy and it takes time.
Naruto did need some filler arcs to rest, like them coming back from the Land of Waves to immediately have the chunin exams...
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u/mangasdeouf 15h ago
The 7 months were just training and chûnin exams that I didn't mention (if we follow the original plot of p1).
The following year was sending him on missions that he's not used to (not much frontal assault) to turn him into a shinobi and not a ninjutsu version of Gai and Lee. He also got promoted on the 2nd chûnin exams (same as Sakura).
I think the villains can be unnerfed rather than buffed. Kakuzu not being hit by PIS already changes his performance, Hidan not being nerfed for Shikamaru to be able to goad him and lead him where he wants means that sub-jônin fodder is minced meat against every Akatsuki member, Sasori not waiting until he's dead to use his deadliest technique changes how much he can do except Naruto still stomps him and Deidara because sage mode>>>them and Naruto can skate on air and has ranged techniques and wind techniques that hard counter Sasori, so he's not defenseless like canon Naruto.
I was taking canon Naruto's progress rate, which is all over the place, p1 Naruto didn't even need shadow clones to Speedrun ninjutsu learning, P2 Naruto lost 30 IQ despite already having barely average IQ in p1. With a mix of both and a nerf of shadow clone training, he still speedruns his zero to hero training and can go on serious missions as a chûnin to gain experience and learn how to be a shinobi.
Yeah, Avatar is more about the journey than beating Ozai. Koizilla would have one shot comet Ozai and sent him to the Spirit world back in S1, pre-S3 Avatar state would have killed him before Aang could get back to his senses. Aang himself after learning lightning redirection could have toasted Ozai. It's just that Aang wanted to win without killing his enemies, so he had to work extra hard (and to find a Deus ex Machina). I still think Zuko would have been a better MC, but Aang's no kill rule made him interesting and his evasion and fighting style were goated.
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u/fluffy_harriet Naruto is a sunshine midget🌻 Part 1 enthusiast (supremacist) 8h ago
— I think the villains can be unnerfed rather than buffed.
Also this, Hidan and Kakuzu were very strong, only to get nerfed because Kishi couldn't think a more creative way to defeat them... I think this is because he was thinking more about cool powers than how the techniques compliment each others in battle. Like in the Sasuke retrival arc, each enemy had a kekkei genkai that directly overpowered their opponents's jutsus, and could only be defeated by the genin bringing themselves to their limits to tap into something new that could take advantage of the enemy's weak point.
But with Hidan and Kakuzu there was barely any planning for the battle, all of Kishi's brain power went to Shikamaru's fight.
Those battles, with the Akatsuki, are the ones that matter the most, or well... Should be, Naruto (character) has barely any personal villains... But if by the time Naruto fights them he can easily defeated them, then you left the fun behind while developing his abilities/skillsets.
Kishi messed up that balance of having a competent strong protagonist with opponets/villains that bring him to his limits. Again you see this in the Sasuke retrival arc, Shikamaru and Neji were already better than the average genin, they were chunin level, but their opponents's powers nullified the strong points they had as fighters and took advantage of their weak points.
You also see this with Aang, many times, his important opponets or villains bring him to his limits, be it the limits to his powers or his mental limits.
I love P1 Naruto, with the kyubi he was already overpowered, what he needed what things that made him reach his limits and demanded a lot of him, he can 100% take it even without/nerfed shadow clone training.
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u/Neither-Maximum-5609 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've had a thought similar to this, being that with the proper training, Naruto could've been an army killer before the chunin exams.
If Kakashi wasn't such a lazy ass, he could have trained Naruto in multiple A-S rank combination jutsu.
Image land of waves Zabuza throws his sword and makes his entrance, and instead of fighting Kashi orders Naruto to use scorched earth or flaming wind or something like that and Naruto makes a couple hundred shadow clones. The ones closest make several air-gapped earth domes around Team Seven and the client. The other clones all pair up, one using an A or S-rank wind jutsu (e.g., Wind Release: Rising Tornado) and the other using a high-level fire jutsu (e.g., Fire Release: Grand Annihilation). Turning everything outside of the domes into a burning hellscape as far as the eye can see, trees turned into pillars of ash, the ground charred and cracked, with veins of melted rock slowly cooling, air thick with smoke and steam, from the sudden evaporation of most of the lake, small but growing puddles of slowly falling boiling water.
Zabuza and Haku either fled with severe burns, (from both flames and the steam) or are burnt husks barely distinguishable as having been human.
And then similar devastation for the other combinational elemental jutsu.
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u/fluffy_harriet Naruto is a sunshine midget🌻 Part 1 enthusiast (supremacist) 1d ago
I'm interested in how this would work for healing... 💀
This is very good, you have an OP Naruto that's not boring, because this could very easily turn into friendly fire, or just get out of Naruto's control. Plus they are still ninja, so some missions will still need discretion. Yet he is capable of a level of destructions to the likes of jounin, really putting into perspective the power of the Kyubi and how scary it can be.
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u/Realistic_Chest_3934 21h ago
Naruto can do the Shadow Clone because it just splits his chakra. It’s not using more chakra makes it easier for him, it’s using techniques that don’t need fine manipulation.
Which is why his control is *fine* after he learns the Rasengan
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u/cujo1255 14h ago
I feel like we basically just said the same thing. Techniques that use more chakra/technique that need less fine control usually go hand in hand for the most part.
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u/Realistic_Chest_3934 14h ago
Except they don’t. There are *two* examples of this. Shadow Clone, which is just splitting even and Summoning, which generally is just “More = Bigger”.
Rasengan, Chidori, nuke class jutsu, Lightning Armour etc.
All require as much fine control as chakra
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u/ForsakenMoon13 1d ago
Genjutsu: don't need to be subtle if you can just backhand thier entire sensory input with about triple thier entire chakra reserves! Lmao