2/M looking to join

[u/WitcherFan2020]

Hey all, I'm currently with AMO however due to internal issues with the union and how it's looking to go downhill, I'm looking at switching to MSC for job security.

I've been in talks with a recruiter, and just wanted it fact checked. He's giving me the same numbers that the CIVMAR website is giving: 184k a year, 4 months on, 2 months off. And being a recruiter, of course he's saying that 2 months off is guaranteed now, and that it's very rare to be overdue unless you're a rescue swimmer. He's also saying I could get directly hired into 2/M, instead of starting at 3rd.

What are the actual income numbers I'd be looking at and is the 4on/2off rotation actually happening? Is there also a chance to be hired in as a Cargo 2nd, and not the Navigation 2nd? Last time I talked to anyone from MSC, I was a cadet and my 3rd and 2nd mates had been on board for over 8 months.

I know pay is entirely based on the type of ship. I'd expect to be assigned to a T-AO or T-AKE, due to having a Tankerman PIC, and away from the lower paid ships like the Zeus because I don't have DP.

[u/Goodrymon]

Stick with AMO. Sail msc contract. If the jobs run dry. Go AMO commercial. If those jobs run dry go MSC. MSC will always hire you especially if you already have a clearance with AMO. You're almost guaranteed to get boned and work 6-8 months instead of 4 with msc.

[u/WitcherFan2020 → u/Goodrymon]

I'm current doing MSC contract. The last one left in the union, since we just lost the others to MMP. I've had my 2nd Mate license for 3 years now, and keep getting overlooked for promotion, even with outstanding evals from my captains and chief mates, because they're just hiring from the job board to fill positions.

I did AMO commercial for about a year, and absolutely hated it. 12 hours at the dock, and 20 hours between sea buoys, and shit pay. Less than $400 a day, and it was salary, so no OT to be added on. And that's the way all AMO commercial contracts are going: salaries with no OT.

[u/Farang_Seafarer → u/WitcherFan2020]

I am also an MSC CONMAR with AMO. Your's isn't the only contract MSC has has with an AMO company but there is only one contract that is worthwhile for real.

[u/WitcherFan2020 → u/Farang_Seafarer]

What's the one contract worthwhile?

[u/Farang_Seafarer → u/WitcherFan2020]

T-AGS

[u/WitcherFan2020 → u/Farang_Seafarer]

That's where I am.