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u/PathfinderCS 1d ago
Naofumi: Anger
Seiya: Not ready (but is ready).
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
there just wasn't enough room and I knew more about cid was much easier to simplify in a funny way than naofumi
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u/thereiam420 1d ago
If Cid ever heard Batman it'd be like the moon is red speech.
He'd never stop saying " I am vengeance, I am the night, I am Shadow!".
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u/AungZeya 1d ago
You forgot Naofumi
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
there just wasn't enough room and I knew more about cid was much easier to simplify in a funny way
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u/Viator_Eagle 1d ago
Naofumi: "As always people forget about Me in this. Not going to lie, it hurt a little when I noticed they referenced Cid. Don't get me wrong the guy is okay, and he himself prefers to be a Wall Flower.
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u/ValuableBerry7216 1d ago
Tanya doesn't torture people for fun , She is ruthless but does feel guilty and hates war, she is morally grey.
I like Ainz but calling him a mass murderer is an understatement he cause the deaths of roughly 8 million people in Re-Estize which is MASS GENOCIDE , 100k of which he killed casualy with a single spell without feeling a thing because he unfortunately lost his most of his humanity .
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u/Ikarus_Falling 1d ago
I mean she did lay the groundwork which lead to the near complete destruction of a city
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u/Fuzzy-Comedian-2697 1d ago
She did that to end the war sooner at the cost of civilian lives.
Basically: Trolley problem with a fat guy on the bridge. Tanya pushed him down to save the five people on the track.
Of cause, since there’s a god meddling in the background, it ultimately failed. But still… her actions weren’t malicious.
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u/Ikarus_Falling 1d ago
I mean neither was ainz he did what he did to set an example show what would happen to those who would oppose him
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u/ValuableBerry7216 22h ago edited 16h ago
Yeah , but even ainz knows what their doing is evil and unjust he just doesnt care about anyone outside nazarick and because he is undead. Also do you what ainsz personally did to Roderick?
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u/Ikarus_Falling 16h ago
Ofcourse its evil but what Tanya does is also evil
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u/ValuableBerry7216 16h ago
Yeah some of the shit she does is evil. but if you see the things she does to end the war, protect her comrades and her survival to be even be comparable to the evil that my favorite overlord Ainz then that wouldn't be right. Like if someone like tanya existed and that person was on the winning side she would be a war hero .While Ainz, well not until he achieves the utopia he wants to build he will still be evil undead overlord king who want to protect his mostly evil family.
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u/notyetcosmonaut 14h ago
Ultimately, Tanya hates war and thinks it’s a massive waste. Ainz is cool with Al the slaughter to play around, show off, benefit, and keep his monster subordinates happy or impressed.
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
Isn't genocide killing a specific ethnic group?
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u/Tactical_Squishy 1d ago
Tanya does not torture people for fun, that's Ainz if anything
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u/Shilion34 1d ago
Neither does he that would be Demiurge
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u/Tactical_Squishy 15h ago edited 15h ago
ehhh... he's more like noooo I dont torture people, lets invite adventurers to the tomb and prepare 7 different torture rooms,
But noooo I dont torture people...
Maruyama it's simply a terrible writer and an edgelord but he doesn't have the balls to write an evil character so he goes by he just doesn't stop it
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u/Shilion34 9h ago
I never said he doesn’t torture people I said he doesn’t do it for fun but it seems I touched a nerve
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u/Tactical_Squishy 9h ago
you are right I was wrong I forgot the "for fun" that's true he certainly doesn't do that
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u/Somebody_insane 1d ago edited 1d ago
how is tanya torturing people for fun, I've seen u saying u "kill certain ethnicity" what? what r u talking about, she just fought in a war because it's the only way up as an illiterate orphan in a ww1 like world. Her entire goal is rise up the rank so she can lay back at the backline as support. And killing other country's soldier is not the same as directly targeting their race.
just give me an example of her enjoying torture or killing I don't see how that even fit her character, it's more just: This is war and things have to be done. Psychotic cold blooded salaryman? sure. enjoy torture? what the hell did I miss
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
yeah why don't you read the context. I said "kill a certain ethnicity" because he mentioned ainz was committing genocide. I was questioning what he meant by that.
Also wasn't she laughing manically while shooting an artillery barrage that had explosives at her own men? it was for training but you have to admit that was torture for them.
also I MADE THIS IN TWO MINUTES the most time I spent was wondering what I could put down for naofumi before realizing its hard to make his character comedic. sorry if not everything is 100% accurate when tanya has done FAR worse stuff than enjoying torture
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u/Alice_Shimada420 1d ago
I've been rewatching that scene and to me, the whole section was definitely Tanya trying (and failing) to scare the shit out of these recruits so they could quit and give up, letting her say they failed and so, she needs more time. She was buying herself more time to essentially stay the fuck away from the frontlines which was why she said that most soldiers weren't competent enough in her eyes and when it was suggested that she could retrain them, she agreed. Why would she agree to that if not to make it as hard as possible for them in order to make them fail? The whole point of the scene after the avalanche was that despite her threats, the fear of Tanya herself was a bigger motivation to continue than the fear of dying during the training course.
She wasn't torturing them just for fun, she was doing it to get them to quit. Anything else she shows is just her putting up an act. It makes her seem scary and maniacal, which backfires on her.
If you want a moment that was really actually evil without any other ulterior motive such as saving her own skin, take the first episode. She literally sends off two guys to die by having them stationed in a bunker, knowing full well that it would get hit by artillery. Now THAT is evil, there was no actual reason behind that other than to punish them for their insubordination without actually getting physical. Even that's too much, to have them killed just because they crossed the line. I get instilling discipline, but killing them when they step out of line? Yikes, that's going too far.
Tanya grows heavily as a character compared to how she was at the start. She's still brutal and strict, but she's more lenient, grows a sense of humor, understands her subordinates better, and cares about them in her own way. I can't see the current Tanya post-film physically punish her men or send them off to die just because they did something wrong. She trusts them, they're disciplined enough, and she knows they are so she lets them have fun and do their own thing as long as they don't compromise the mission.
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
she bombs cities is what I meant.
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u/Alice_Shimada420 1d ago
Hm, for that one, she was the one who penned the paper that allows them to bypass the restrictions imposed on the use of artillery towards cities and civilian hubs.
In essence, by not leaving the city after being warned and told to evacuate, anybody left is deemed a combatant, regular or irregular. They had proof that prisoners were being executed.
The only thing she's guilty of is for being the one to write that paper. Once it was picked up and chosen by Strategic Command, they became complicit by authorizing its implementation. Even then, she herself isn't the one bombing the city. The artillery crews outside it are the ones doing that because that's their orders. Her own orders were to get the mages to back up far enough to avoid threatening the artillery units.
If we take the example of the Dakian Capital, they could've started indiscriminately blowing it up but they only targetted the foreign explosives and weapons factory because it was the only viable and legally acceptable target.
In Moscow, they specifically only target specific points of interest such as the State Police HQ, that big statue of Stalin, anti air pieces. Essentially, non-civilian targets. After all, their job was to make enough heat to distract the Commies and relieve the frontlines. Not indiscriminately start bombing their civilians for no actual strategic or tactical value.
At no point does Tanya be the one who is personally blowing up civilians/civilian areas just because she felt like it.
Even the ending of that episode where Grantz is forced to target the mages protecting the evacuating civillians, all they were told was that the mages were disrupting the spotters from providing direcrions. We don't actually know what happened when Grantz fired, whether only the mages were targetted or the civilians as well. We understand that by taking out the mages, the civilians were doomed to die by artillery. But, going by orders, they were ordered to target the mages so the artillery can continue.
It's why I love Tanya as a character so much. Very few things she does is good in a black-white scale. It's awful, but she's trapped in a world that would kill her if she didn't have the will to kill first. Even then, she doesn't start killing everyone for no reason. She's a scalpel, not a hammer. Not everything needs to be killed, not everything has to be done by her own hands.
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u/Somebody_insane 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think it's more laughing at enemy's stupidity and incompetence if u r talking about the commie part
edit:m stupid I shouldve read throughly first, that uh actually idk that would be considered torture, kinda actually, but that's a bootcamp pro max with mages with her being the trainer. that tho I say is rather it's like ur mum putting u in summer/internet addict camp. It's just that 1 time as far as m aware
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u/Frosty_Pepper5254 1d ago
In the manga she explained she was trying to get them to drop out, because if they drop out she doesn't have to go to the front lines.
She says this pretty explicitly. Definitely not torturing them for fun.
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u/EducationalAd6395 1d ago
Tanya does not torture for fun
She hates war and considers the whole affair a massive waste of precious human resource and capital.
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u/Ok-Chef2503 1d ago
Ainz is a mass murderer? So it like every other race and kingdom? The quagua was executing a literal genocide with the intent to complete wipe out the dwarves. The baharuth declares yearly wars in which thousands die every time. The slane theocracy the first time we see them were wiping out dozens of innocent civilians just to get to gazef and were ready to wipe out dozens more they were also going to wipe out the town ainz saved to keep their involvement hidden and blame gazefs death on baharuth the death cult was going to wipe out all of the re-estize capital to have them become liches. Ainz defeats the those rat men to save the dwarves and still spares 10,000 of those rat men Ainz peacefully rules baharuth defeats re-estize in the Kates plains tragedy most of which were instant non painful deaths that they themselves could have avoided by giving up 1 town and they even tried to kill everyone in the town Ainz saved Ainz wanted to revive the princess of the holy kingdom but was afraid to ruin demiurges plan he saved the dragon kingdom and you call him a mass murderer despite the fact that he not only gave ways to avoid that fate and even then showed mercy to many?
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
dude. I made this in two minutes. sorry for not being 100% accurate in my information
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u/Ok-Chef2503 1d ago
I’m not saying ainz didn’t kill a ton of people it’s just more then half of what he did could be justified
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u/Ogimme9 1d ago
There is no justification for basically Green lighting what happened in the holy kingdoom Or anihilating re estize because he didnt want to correct demiurge and in reality he doesn't care. Hell in both cases he sees the events as a win.
Also the attack of Demons at the capital, where people were abducted and tortured.
Or for example in a lesser scale, the attack at carne village. The only purpose he let the Monsters attack was to test Lupus and to try to increase loyalty towards nazarick. He was ready to let die all the people except 3.
Ainz is a mass murderer at best and the director of a genocide at worst.
True, war claims lives, but Ainz destroyed Re estize to make a points, they don't even use the new land! And no, just because he IS sometimes obliviois or orders the NPCs to do so IS not an excuse, at least in the novela It IS make quite apparent that he does not care. Only for Nazarick.
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u/Slimedeezy 10h ago
You weren’t inaccurate. That guy is just an Ainz apologist lmao. He’s come to me with the same nonsensical arguments trying to claim that mass murder is justified.
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u/Suave_Kim_Jong_Un 1d ago
I can’t help but notice you didn’t include the destruction of a significant number of the Re-Estize kingdom. Him ordering Mare to do it doesn’t make him not responsible for the many many deaths. And that’s only for the capital.
Also, yes. The katze plains massacre is immoral. Painless is not the only aspect of a death being “pleasant” and 70k deaths are more like what you propose while the next 100k were from people feeling absolute levels of despair and dread before their deaths. Combine that with how not that many people ever really die in the yearly clashes, it’s far outside the norm of expectations and jumps the gun. Though that last part is more debatable and could be interesting to debate.
Either way, Ainz is definitely a mass murderer.
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u/Ok-Chef2503 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ainz only destroyed the Easter’s border towns and the capital he spared around 85% of the re-estize kingdom and then absorbed it into the sorcerer kingdom
Ainz stated that nobody would die if they gave erantel and they also the re-estize army stated that not only were they ready to kill all of the baharuth army but they were also going to start attacking towns in baharuth had they won Katz plains second it’s said that Ainz only threatened war against re-estize for e-rantel it was re-estize that actually declared the war a month later after they got their military ready
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u/TadBones 1d ago
Tanya is a SOCIOpath not psychopath and doesn't really do it for fun all of her actions have some sort of meaning it's unsettling. Ainz just says "fuck you I don't give a shit make Nazarick prosper and help me create my utopia no matter how many of you inferior beings have to die in order to do so."
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u/MJDOOM08 1d ago
Nah cid kagenou's an international terrorist
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
funnier to say he's batman though isn't it
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u/OrdinaryPeanut3492 1d ago
Cid Kagenou? You mean a kid that is average at everything at best?
He cannot be a terrorist he can't even beat his sister in a duel.
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u/MJDOOM08 1d ago
nah he's looks like the type to blow up half the city and eviscerate the head fencing teacher after his final straw is broken, buddy's a ticking time bomb for something evil
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u/OrdinaryPeanut3492 1d ago
I don't know what you are talking about. I only see a normal high school student.
Maybe you are thinking of Shadow? The leader of Shadow Garden? Now that guy is definitely a terrorist.
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u/Sudden-Panic2959 13h ago
I would say he is, but he has too much aura comparatively. I've never seen Osama throwing hands with the leader of a military branch before, but shadow has. Has Osama ever dated a queen and a princess of two nations?
Coughing terrorist vs atomic shadow ah moment
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u/VecnasHand1976 1d ago
I don't really think Ainz quite...understands...no, cares what he's doing. He's a lich mentally. So imagine killing a thousand roaches to make your house a bit cleaner. That's effectively his mentality.
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u/Shilion34 1d ago
That doesn’t justify him
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u/VecnasHand1976 23h ago
I don't think it's quite...It doesn't for a human, but for an undead, particularly DnD liches, yeah. It's simply killing off bugs. At what point do you decide you should take a cockroach outside instead of using spray?
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u/Shilion34 9h ago
That makes him evil
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u/VecnasHand1976 2h ago
Never said he wasn't. I just said that his thought process is fundamentally different than a normal human's.
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u/MetricWeakness6 1d ago
Didn't Cid knowingly wait for a zombie outbreak to get worse iirc so he would look better once he swooped in to save the day?
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
yeah he's the one from all star batman & robin. y'know the one who painted a room yellow to kick the shit out of the green lantern
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u/Crispy_Bacon5714 1d ago
"Tortures people for fun" are you high?
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
I gotta edit the description or smth. I made this in two minutes not all the info is accurate. it's funnier than saying "bombs cities" so I went with it
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u/Wicked__A 1d ago
I think we can replace all of these with different versions of Subaru's and the headlines would still be accurate.
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u/Subject_Offer_9621 1d ago
Yeah isekai quarter is comedy so they get along
A lot of them will hate ainz if they know what he does
Tanya is toss up, especially if she realize aqua is a god
Cid wouldn't be any different lol
Subaru and kazuma would get along to each other just fine, but will question other more, subaru will probably be killed several time while kazuma is smart enough to dodge conflict
Naofumi also aggressive as fuck (considering the state he's in isekai quartet)
Still Reinhard sol-
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
reinhart walking from the great tomb of nazarick the MILISECOND he figures out what ainz has done
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u/DazSamueru 1d ago
Subaru is surrounded by beautiful people whom he loves and who love him back. Kazuma is surrounded by people who really annoy him. It seems Subaru is the lucky one.
And Kazuma also dies multiple times as well.
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u/truthbecomesnull 1d ago
kazuma's luck stat is maxed being my point, though this does loop back around to making steal practically useless against a woman
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u/Realistic7283 1d ago
Subaru is loved only when he's usefull, the latest episode pretty much confirmed that.
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u/MurkyImagination407 1d ago
Inosuke, Sanemi, Kashimo, Ishigori, Battle Beast and Conquest would love each other
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u/No-Flatworm-7734 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think Ainz should share his title with Tanya, because of city of Arene bombing. I recall it being mentioned in novels that half the citizens died as a result of said bombing.