Does that say that they're all the same person?!(Spoilers of the Nod krai 6.6 AQ and the WQ "A long fay in the mountain" also in 6.6.

[u/Main_coorp]

Just like me, she was an angel created by the primordial humans, born with the instinct to guide living beings.

-Nicole

Nicole explain us that that Angel are the Primordial Human craetion.

The problem is that we always has been told that the angel were the HP/Phanes was their creator.

So here comes the theory:

Phanes = HP = The Primordial Human

I It tells of the god of light who created a body in its own likeness, only for it to be stolen away by the king of darkness.

Thus, within that single body, the powers of light and darkness began to contend with one another. And so the primordial human, bearing both, came to possess both good and evil.

It's a lesser-known version of the primordial human myth.

-Istoria

So after we beat Melanta, Istoria told us that the god of light ( Phanes/ HP) create a body that have been stole by the king of darkness. That body is the body of the primordial Human.

So what if the Primordial Human wasn't only a Phanes creation but also phanes like what if they create themselves?

It will totally align with the Title of Protogonos( before the sun and the moon) = the first born which could mean " the first creation of Phanes" who is ... Phanes themselves.

So maybe the difference between the title are the role that they take in each situation What's your opinions?

Inspired of one of Aiynao's theories ( french toutuber)

[u/hadtiah]

It's a mistranslation, they meant primordial being/one

Also in Nicole's voice line about albedo she calls him primordial human

"In another converged possibility, Albedo was the "Primordial Human" who traveled through worlds, recording and creating all. However, once that journey reached its end, no one would have been able to guarantee whether he would choose destruction or salvation"

[u/Main_coorp → u/hadtiah]

Traveling and creating hmm

Either Albedo is indeed the Primordial Human.

Or Albedo is an allegory to Phanes

Or Phanes = HP = the Primordial Human = Albedo = Traveler = Paimon

Yeah i'm coping and making up sh1t but whatever 

Thanks for the rectification.

Edit: it was a joke why did i get downvoted that much

[u/hadtiah → u/Main_coorp]

Albedo is a artificial being made by Rhinedotter, it's her attempt to make a perfect human.

Like you said primordial humans have been said to be made up of darkness and light, the twins have shown that they originally have light powers and yet they are able to absorb the abyss

Nicole said that we replace Albedo's journey

"Luckily, you're the one who embarked on the journey this time."

So the twin could primordial humans and when Rhinedotter was in khaenri'ah she wanted to create a being like them so she created Albedo

There are hints that Phanes come from the same civilization as the twins so they could be a primordial human that has been made into a biocomputer to remake that civilization

[u/Main_coorp → u/hadtiah]

So my cope is true then

Traveler = the Primordial Human 

HP = Phanes = Protogonos 

And Albedo = Albedo ≈ the Primordial Human 

[u/Lucky-chan]

Interesting to note that the term Nicole used in Chinese is 原初之人, which is the same one used by Istoria when he told one version of the myth. Melanta used 原人. In Narzissenkreuz's notes talking about Descenders and how "Narayana" also means "primordial humans, he used 原初之人 as well. 

Albedo is said to be a 原初之人 in both his story and in Nicole's voice line about him. At the end of Albedo's story quest, he discovers that the Traveler is made by a similar material as he is. This seems to be connecting the Traveler to the same concept that they are both primordial beings.

In another converged possibility, Albedo was the "Primordial Human" who traveled through worlds, recording and creating all. However, once that journey reached its end, no one would have been able to guarantee whether he would choose destruction or salvation. Luckily, you're the one who embarked on the journey this time.

Although I do think Nicole is referring to Phanes when she said the line, she's referring to them in a different manner. 

[u/Main_coorp → u/Lucky-chan]

Thanks for the info 

[u/No-Awareness-2166]

In chinese they use « 原初之人 », which literally mean « Primordial Human », but it could also be used for « Primordial Being » in some cases, so there is the possibility that in this text, primordial Human is a translation issue.

However, Phanes being the « Primordial Human » also work. Because the Primordial Human is not a Human.

In the Kabbalah, the Primordial Human is called Adam Kadmon. He is not human. I will cite Wikipedia :

« In Lurianic Kabbalah, the description of Adam Kadmon is anthropomorphic. Nonetheless, Adam Kadmon is divine light without vessels, i.e., pure potential. In the human psyche, Adam Kadmon corresponds to the yechidah, the collective essence of the soul. »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon

The myth about th god of light having his body stolen by the lord of darkness is just a parabole, it is not to be taken as truth, it’s just a way to explain why humans have both good and evil in them while being created by the Heavenly Principles (being the Primordial Human).

Other characters are being called Primordial Human, like Ajax and Albedo, because they were based on this heretical myth, and are « fused » with Abyss in them in some ways

[u/Main_coorp → u/No-Awareness-2166]

Oh that's an original take of the situation i like it

Thanks for the info 

[u/No-Awareness-2166 → u/Main_coorp]

To be honest, it felt weird when I saw Nicole talking about the angels being created by the Primordial Human, especially in english, for some reason they used plural for humans, which is not the case in other languages. But when I saw the origin of the Primordial Human it made more sense, especially knowing that the Primordial Human was not really Human

[u/Altcineva94]

primordial humans

This is a mistranslation. Chinese says angels were created by the primordial one.

[u/Main_coorp → u/Altcineva94]

Ohh what a deception 

[u/kaikalaila]

HP = Human Primordial..... ////joke

[u/Main_coorp → u/kaikalaila]

Keep on going you might be onto something